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knomadic_niki
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Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log
#21801980 - 06/13/15 10:51 AM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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I'm using this thread to document my experiment with rabbit poo. I've seen several posts mentioning the use and success/lack of success using rabbit poo but I haven't found any step by step documented grows. So, here's what I've done so far:
Supplies: Scale and quart yogurt cup for measuring 5 gal bucket with lid 4 dishwashing trays (pictured below) small plastic trash bags Coco coir Vermiculite (coarse) gypsum (pellets) Spent, dried coffee grounds dried, fresh rabbit poo

Process:
1. Heat 2-2.25 qt tap water to boiling. While its heating, measure 325g (half a "brick") of coco coir and put in 5 gal bucket. Add 1 qt vermiculite, and 1 handful of gypsum. For first 2 trays, I added 1.5 cups of coffee grounds each. For second 2 trays, I added 1.5 cups of rabbit poo each.
2. Add hot water to dry ingredients and close the lid of the bucket. Let sit for 30-45 min, then open and stir until homogonized. Check moisture content with squeeze test and add more hot water if needed. Replace lid and let sit until cool.
3. Fill tray with bulk sub, reserving some in bucket to cover spawn. Dump in 1 qt of oat grain spawn to each tray and mix well. Cover with reserved substrate.
4. Place tray in plastic bags to retain moisture and CO2 for colonization.

Why did I choose rabbit poo? 1. It doesn't need to be aged. Rabbit poo isn't "hot" like other manures 2. It doesn't smell that bad when you cook it. 3. I have lots of it. 4. I don't have access to aged cow or hpoo. I have sheep and chicken poo but the last time I used chicken poo for Coprinus comatus spawn, it smelled godawful. I didn't feel like wandering around the pasture picking up sheep poo but maybe next time.
fyi, this came out to what appears to be approx 1:4 to 1:5 spawn to substrate ratio.
By the way, this is my first time using a tray tek and coco coir as substrate, so I have no idea if this will work at all :P I don't plan on using a casing layer to fruit
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Edited by knomadic_niki (06/13/15 01:53 PM)
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21802053 - 06/13/15 11:00 AM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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Also of interest:
Manure N – P – K VALUES – Rabbit= N- 2.4 P- 1.4 K- .60, Chicken=N- 1.1 P-.80 K- .50, Sheep=N- .70 P- .30 K-.60, Horse=N- .70 P-.30 K- .60, Steer=N- .70 P-.30 K-.40, Dairy Cow=N- .25 P-.15 K-.25
It looks like sheep poo might work better than rabbit poo based on these NPK numbers. Haven't found comparisons of C:N ratios, yet. I'll be trying that next
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Edited by knomadic_niki (06/13/15 12:32 PM)
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21802138 - 06/13/15 11:19 AM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Phototropism]
#21802163 - 06/13/15 11:29 AM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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I have some bat guano in a mix a friend recommended, said the guano and lime balanced his pH to 8
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: TravelAgency]
#21802175 - 06/13/15 11:33 AM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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I have a flemish giant. He eats mostly hay and poops ALOT hah
This is very interesting!!
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21802423 - 06/13/15 12:44 PM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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Cool.
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: hamloaf]
#21802528 - 06/13/15 01:26 PM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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My old man, a master organic gardener, always described rabbit poop as "hot" due to it's high N content. He'd make 40 gallon manure/comfrey tea barrels with it... Oi, those got stinky!
Very curious as to how this one will go!
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Green Bastard]
#21802543 - 06/13/15 01:29 PM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#21802605 - 06/13/15 01:45 PM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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OP updated with pics. According to everything I've read and all my personal experiences, rabbit poo is not "hot". It will not burn plants. If it has a lot of urine in it/on it, it might burn plants. But i put it directly on my garden with no burning. it is higher in nitrogen but i think "hot" means high in ammonia. some forms of nitrogen do not burn because they need to be broken down by bacteria before they are available to plants, so it is like time released fertilizer. its great stuff!
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21802755 - 06/13/15 03:05 PM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Kizzle]
#21804805 - 06/14/15 02:53 AM (9 years, 18 days ago) |
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21804842 - 06/14/15 03:11 AM (9 years, 18 days ago) |
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Quote:
knomadic_niki said: OP updated with pics. According to everything I've read and all my personal experiences, rabbit poo is not "hot". It will not burn plants. If it has a lot of urine in it/on it, it might burn plants. But i put it directly on my garden with no burning. it is higher in nitrogen but i think "hot" means high in ammonia. some forms of nitrogen do not burn because they need to be broken down by bacteria before they are available to plants, so it is like time released fertilizer. its great stuff!
Nah, when a fertilizer is referred to as "hot" it means that said fertilizer is high in nitrogen. Possibly high enough in nitrogen to burn some types of plants if used straight. You are correct over the matter of some forms of nitrogen not being available to plants, because said nitrogen needs to be broken down by microlife first. Good job.
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: hamloaf]
#21807889 - 06/14/15 08:00 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
hamloaf said:
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knomadic_niki said: OP updated with pics. According to everything I've read and all my personal experiences, rabbit poo is not "hot". It will not burn plants. If it has a lot of urine in it/on it, it might burn plants. But i put it directly on my garden with no burning. it is higher in nitrogen but i think "hot" means high in ammonia. some forms of nitrogen do not burn because they need to be broken down by bacteria before they are available to plants, so it is like time released fertilizer. its great stuff!
Nah, when a fertilizer is referred to as "hot" it means that said fertilizer is high in nitrogen. Possibly high enough in nitrogen to burn some types of plants if used straight. You are correct over the matter of some forms of nitrogen not being available to plants, because said nitrogen needs to be broken down by microlife first. Good job.
Huh...i have put it in my garden for years without problems. it sits in a pile for a few weeks before i spread it, getting rained on, but its not composted...
ugh, day 2 here and i can't wait to see if this experiment works or not. 5 more days before i check....
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21807939 - 06/14/15 08:09 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: nobody83]
#21808226 - 06/14/15 09:18 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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I wouldn't use so many coffee grounds without correcting pH. Contams love acidic sub and yours is going to have a really low pH. I think you should have added lime. 7.5 -8.0 is good I'm thinking yours is going to be about 5.0-6.0.
A good pasteurization is 140-160 for 90 minutes.
 
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: ShroominMe]
#21808281 - 06/14/15 09:35 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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thanks for the tip, shroomin. i just checked and both the coffee grounds and the rabbit poo trays are at 6.8. i'll keep an eye on them, though. the tek i used for the coco coir isn't a true pasteurization, i'm aware. but i heard it works for a lot of people so i thought i'd give it a try. that's the only way i could come up with that i wouldn't have to drain the coir and adjust the moisture content after heating.
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21808347 - 06/14/15 09:47 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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knomadic_niki said: it is higher in nitrogen but i think "hot" means high in ammonia.
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hamloaf said: Nah, when a fertilizer is referred to as "hot" it means that said fertilizer is high in nitrogen.
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: hamloaf]
#21808435 - 06/14/15 10:00 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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hamloaf...for what reason are you reposting what was already said?
i'm just confused because i know that "hot" manures must be composted before being put in the garden. horse, cow, and chicken especially will burn plants when its fresh. but rabbit manure does not. why? if it is higher in nitrogen (twice as high as chicken and three times as high as cow and horse), then it should be even worse. but i use it fresh with no problems. that's why i assumed the term "hot" referred to available nitrogen, not total nitrogen
also, i just measured the pH of the spent coffee grounds themselves (hydrated), and they are 6.6, so not too acidic at all!
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Edited by knomadic_niki (06/15/15 10:42 AM)
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21823027 - 06/18/15 10:21 AM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Update: looks like one of the poo trays got cobweb mold...but the other three look ok:

couple more days....
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21836755 - 06/21/15 12:29 PM (9 years, 11 days ago) |
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Sooo...i'm not sure at what point i should introduce my trays to fruiting conditions. 3 out of 4 have a lot of rhizomorphic mycelium on the surface but they're not completely covered. one appears to have stalled and contam'd. it smells moldy
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Edited by knomadic_niki (07/22/15 02:28 PM)
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