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Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log
    #21801980 - 06/13/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm using this thread to document my experiment with rabbit poo. I've seen several posts mentioning the use and success/lack of success using rabbit poo but I haven't found any step by step documented grows. So, here's what I've done so far:

Supplies:
Scale and quart yogurt cup for measuring
5 gal bucket with lid
4 dishwashing trays (pictured below)
small plastic trash bags
Coco coir
Vermiculite (coarse)
gypsum (pellets)
Spent, dried coffee grounds
dried, fresh rabbit poo



Process:

1. Heat 2-2.25 qt tap water to boiling. While its heating, measure 325g (half a "brick") of coco coir and put in 5 gal bucket. Add 1 qt vermiculite, and 1 handful of gypsum. For first 2 trays, I added 1.5 cups of coffee grounds each. For second 2 trays, I added 1.5 cups of rabbit poo each.

2. Add hot water to dry ingredients and close the lid of the bucket. Let sit for 30-45 min, then open and stir until homogonized. Check moisture content with squeeze test and add more hot water if needed. Replace lid and let sit until cool.

3. Fill tray with bulk sub, reserving some in bucket to cover spawn. Dump in 1 qt of oat grain spawn to each tray and mix well. Cover with reserved substrate.

4. Place tray in plastic bags to retain moisture and CO2 for colonization.



Why did I choose rabbit poo? 1. It doesn't need to be aged. Rabbit poo isn't "hot" like other manures 2. It doesn't smell that bad when you cook it. 3. I have lots of it. 4. I don't have access to aged cow or hpoo. I have sheep and chicken poo but the last time I used chicken poo for Coprinus comatus spawn, it smelled godawful. I didn't feel like wandering around the pasture picking up sheep poo but maybe next time.

fyi, this came out to what appears to be approx 1:4 to 1:5 spawn to substrate ratio.

By the way, this is my first time using a tray tek and coco coir as substrate, so I have no idea if this will work at all :P I don't plan on using a casing layer to fruit


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21802053 - 06/13/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also of interest:

Manure N – P – K VALUES –
Rabbit= N- 2.4 P- 1.4 K- .60,
Chicken=N- 1.1 P-.80  K- .50,
Sheep=N- .70 P- .30 K-.60,
Horse=N- .70 P-.30 K- .60,
Steer=N- .70 P-.30 K-.40,
Dairy Cow=N- .25 P-.15 K-.25

It looks like sheep poo might work better than rabbit poo based on these NPK numbers. Haven't found comparisons of C:N ratios, yet. I'll be trying that next


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21802138 - 06/13/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:bunnyhug:

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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Phototropism]
    #21802163 - 06/13/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have some bat guano in a mix a friend recommended, said the guano and lime balanced his pH to 8


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21802175 - 06/13/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have a flemish giant. He eats mostly hay and poops ALOT hah

This is very interesting!!


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21802423 - 06/13/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Cool.  :cool:


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: hamloaf]
    #21802528 - 06/13/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My old man, a master organic gardener, always described rabbit poop as "hot" due to it's high N content. He'd make 40 gallon manure/comfrey tea barrels with it... Oi, those got stinky!

Very curious as to how this one will go!


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Green Bastard]
    #21802543 - 06/13/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #21802605 - 06/13/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OP updated with pics. According to everything I've read and all my personal experiences, rabbit poo is not "hot". It will not burn plants. If it has a lot of urine in it/on it, it might burn plants. But i put it directly on my garden with no burning. it is higher in nitrogen but i think "hot" means high in ammonia. some forms of nitrogen do not burn because they need to be broken down by bacteria before they are available to plants, so it is like time released fertilizer. its great stuff!


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21802755 - 06/13/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Kizzle]
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21804842 - 06/14/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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OP updated with pics. According to everything I've read and all my personal experiences, rabbit poo is not "hot". It will not burn plants. If it has a lot of urine in it/on it, it might burn plants. But i put it directly on my garden with no burning. it is higher in nitrogen but i think "hot" means high in ammonia. some forms of nitrogen do not burn because they need to be broken down by bacteria before they are available to plants, so it is like time released fertilizer. its great stuff!



Nah, when a fertilizer is referred to as "hot" it means that said fertilizer is high in nitrogen.  Possibly high enough in nitrogen to burn some types of plants if used straight.  You are correct over the matter of some forms of nitrogen not being available to plants, because said nitrogen needs to be broken down by microlife first.  Good job.


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: hamloaf]
    #21807889 - 06/14/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

knomadic_niki said:
OP updated with pics. According to everything I've read and all my personal experiences, rabbit poo is not "hot". It will not burn plants. If it has a lot of urine in it/on it, it might burn plants. But i put it directly on my garden with no burning. it is higher in nitrogen but i think "hot" means high in ammonia. some forms of nitrogen do not burn because they need to be broken down by bacteria before they are available to plants, so it is like time released fertilizer. its great stuff!



Nah, when a fertilizer is referred to as "hot" it means that said fertilizer is high in nitrogen.  Possibly high enough in nitrogen to burn some types of plants if used straight.  You are correct over the matter of some forms of nitrogen not being available to plants, because said nitrogen needs to be broken down by microlife first.  Good job.




Huh...i have put it in my garden for years without problems. it sits in a pile for a few weeks before i spread it, getting rained on, but its not composted...

ugh, day 2 here and i can't wait to see if this experiment works or not. 5 more days before i check....


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21807939 - 06/14/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: nobody83]
    #21808226 - 06/14/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't use so many coffee grounds without correcting pH.  Contams love acidic sub and yours is going to have a really low pH.  I think you should have added lime.  7.5 -8.0 is good I'm thinking yours is going to be about 5.0-6.0.

A good pasteurization is 140-160 for 90 minutes.

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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21808281 - 06/14/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the tip, shroomin. i just checked and both the coffee grounds and the rabbit poo trays are at 6.8. i'll keep an eye on them, though. the tek i used for the coco coir isn't a true pasteurization, i'm aware. but i heard it works for a lot of people so i thought i'd give it a try. that's the only way i could come up with that i wouldn't have to drain the coir and adjust the moisture content after heating.


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21808347 - 06/14/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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it is higher in nitrogen but i think "hot" means high in ammonia.




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Nah, when a fertilizer is referred to as "hot" it means that said fertilizer is high in nitrogen.





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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: hamloaf]
    #21808435 - 06/14/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

hamloaf...for what reason are you reposting what was already said?

i'm just confused because i know that "hot" manures must be composted before being put in the garden. horse, cow, and chicken especially will burn plants when its fresh. but rabbit manure does not. why? if it is higher in nitrogen (twice as high as chicken and three times as high as cow and horse), then it should be even worse. but i use it fresh with no problems. that's why i assumed the term "hot" referred to available nitrogen, not total nitrogen

also, i just measured the pH of the spent coffee grounds themselves (hydrated), and they are 6.6, so not too acidic at all!


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21823027 - 06/18/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Update: looks like one of the poo trays got cobweb mold...but the other three look ok:


couple more days....


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21836755 - 06/21/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sooo...i'm not sure at what point i should introduce my trays to fruiting conditions. 3 out of 4 have a lot of rhizomorphic mycelium on the surface but they're not completely covered. one appears to have stalled and contam'd. it smells moldy


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21836830 - 06/21/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

wait until 100% colonization, especially when using manure or basically anything but coir+verm.


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: spacechildo]
    #21837254 - 06/21/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Once they are 100% colonized.


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: azur]
    #21837473 - 06/21/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok, ok...patience, niki... :justcantwait:


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21901594 - 07/05/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I put 3 of 4 trays in the martha today. Left one in the incubation room b/c I think it might have some cobweb in spots and I don't want to risk spreading it. The other 3 look good. There is rhizomorphic growth covering the sub and some little knobby balls of mycelium here and there. The rabbit poo tray has a few pins on it.

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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21901974 - 07/05/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I will be watching this thread, as I am very interested in seeing how this goes with the rabbit manure.
I have access to an abundanceof it, and was getting ready to experiment with it myself.
My experiments will be comparing the potency of cubes grown on rabbit manure, vs hp.
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: psylopsycho]
    #21923753 - 07/10/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Any update on the rabbit poo trays? I am curious.


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    #21924299 - 07/10/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21924889 - 07/10/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21931367 - 07/11/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

haha, sorry, i was away for a week, just got back. i kind of neglected them a bit. and it seems i might have put them in a little too soon. one coffee ground tray got trich so i removed it. that leaves one tray of rabbit poo and one tray of coffee grounds left. the rabbit poo tray has a lot of pins. the coffee ground one does not


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21937232 - 07/13/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A couple photos from yesterday:



Rabbit poo appears less colonized on top but has lots of pins. Not the best pinset ever but I can't complain about it. This is my first time doing trays, after all. Coffee appears more colonized but only has a couple side pins that are several days behind.

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I have an ultrasonic himidifier in my greenhouse that is on for 15 min and off for 45. There is a 4" fan circulating air and 2 4" vent holes in the peak of the gh. I leave the zippers unzipped a foot from the bottom for FAE. So far that seems to be sufficient. I check on them once daily, if i remember, and mist any dry spots on top. I'm trying to keep the room at 65 but its been fluctuating. The days are quite warm outside and the nights are cool. It stays below 73 degrees, though.


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21949311 - 07/15/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Harvested some from the poo today. Still nothing on the coffee grounds. Maybe I'll take it back out and let it colonize some more? IDK


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21949726 - 07/15/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What are you growing--oysters?


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21951463 - 07/16/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure, I got it from a plate a foaf gave me, said they like to grow on poo....the plate said 'MAZ'

I've learned two things thus far: let it colonize longer and don't use coffee grounds in unsterilized substrates


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21951568 - 07/16/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

prep coffee properly and add it to any properly pasteurized substrate!
or what-ever-the-fucked CVG :thumbup:


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: spacechildo]
    #21951602 - 07/16/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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prep coffee properly and add it to any properly pasteurized substrate!
or what-ever-the-fucked CVG :thumbup:




CVG? i get mixed results with coffee grounds. oysters like them but other species, meh...what would you call properly prepared? i dry them to store them and then add them to the sub when i pasteurize. sometimes they contam, sometimes not. trich is rampant in my home bc of indoor gardens. and it really seems to love coffee grounds


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21951616 - 07/16/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, Im curious to see the size of the fruits on that rabbit poo.

And I cant remember, what was your ingredients and ratios as far as sub and spawn to sub ratio?


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21951625 - 07/16/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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prep coffee properly and add it to any properly pasteurized substrate!
or what-ever-the-fucked CVG :thumbup:




CVG? i get mixed results with coffee grounds. oysters like them but other species, meh...what would you call properly prepared? i dry them to store them and then add them to the sub when i pasteurize. sometimes they contam, sometimes not. trich is rampant in my home bc of indoor gardens. and it really seems to love coffee grounds




if you have problems try liming the coffee.(up the ph)
the problem isnt that you add it to unsterilized substrate
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: spacechildo]
    #21951891 - 07/16/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ill try messing with the pH. what do you use to bring it up? psylopsycho, my ratios etc are in the op. having trouble uploading photos at the moment. theyre not incredibly impressive, pretty average. one average mushroom is about 8-10 grams fresh


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21951899 - 07/16/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oh yea, and i put the tray contaminated with cobweb into my SAB today with a lid to fruit it. I just stuffed polyfill into the arm holes and i'm misting a few times a day. It started to pin so i figured i'd give it a shot but i didn't want it to contaminate my greenhouse


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    #21952076 - 07/16/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

pins look like cubes..no?


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i wouldn't know :shrug:


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21952318 - 07/16/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nice!  Love the use of the rabbit dung here.  Those are cubes, niki. 

If you are using coffee and getting mixed results that's because those times when failure was met using spent grounds the grounds didn't get pasteurized properly.

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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: hamloaf]
    #21953828 - 07/16/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Im pretty sure he knows those "Look like cubes" by now guys. Lol

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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: psylopsycho]
    #21953867 - 07/16/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would love to see a rabbit poo vs horse or cow manure test. It sounds like you attempted a pasteurization, did you ever check your core temp? If you're not hitting and maintaining above 140+ your just warming up poo.


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21953880 - 07/16/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

got any tips for pasteurizing substrate? i used the method explained in the OP because it seemed desirable to not have to remove moisture from the substrate after pasteurizing.


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21953904 - 07/16/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i suppose i could put the trays in a cooler or something and steam pasteurize them...i just took a short cut this time


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21953913 - 07/16/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Are you asking how to pasteurize rabbit poo sub, or did I miss something?


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I would love to see a rabbit poo vs horse or cow manure test. It sounds like you attempted a pasteurization, did you ever check your core temp? If you're not hitting and maintaining above 140+ your just warming up poo.




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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: psylopsycho]
    #21955955 - 07/17/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That jar method would work, but not for large scale of any sort. I do small batches stovetop as well but using a 5 gal paint strainer bag to fit considerably more substrate in my PC pot. I preheat my water to 165 with the shield plate at the bottom of the pot then dunk in the substrate and mix it up till it reads around 150. If i need to add more heat ill put the burner on low and mix. Once its at the target temp i wrap it in a blanket on the kitchen floor and let it sit.

I also used to do 5-7 gallons of substrate in a cooler filled with hot water, bring 5 gals to 180 in a pot(s) then dump into the cooler. By time your cooler warms up and you add your substrate your at around 150F. Close the lid and throw a blanket over it for 90mins. As long as your still over 140 by the end of the 90 mins your good.  Now i do pasteurization in a  55 gal drum with a 1500w element, much more time efficient. Best of all when i'm done im left with primo compost tea for the lawn, i just let it cool down first.


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Are you asking how to pasteurize rabbit poo sub, or did I miss something?


Frank's Proper Pasteurization Tek 3.0





thanks, but i'm using trays, not jars....in the op, you see i poured boiling water on the substrate to "pasteurize" but i know it didn't maintain proper temps the whole time. i do my straw in a 55 gal drum over a fire but i was hoping to not have to drain coco coir and poo to proper moisture content.


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21979613 - 07/22/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So, the tray that had a little cobweb did FANTASTIC in my improv SGFC. it exploded with a nice, big, even pinset all of a sudden. unfortunately, i went away for 2 days and when i got back many had sporulated all over the place. is that a big deal?


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That jar method would work, but not for large scale of any sort. I do small batches stovetop as well but using a 5 gal paint strainer bag to fit considerably more substrate in my PC pot. I preheat my water to 165 with the shield plate at the bottom of the pot then dunk in the substrate and mix it up till it reads around 150. If i need to add more heat ill put the burner on low and mix. Once its at the target temp i wrap it in a blanket on the kitchen floor and let it sit.

I also used to do 5-7 gallons of substrate in a cooler filled with hot water, bring 5 gals to 180 in a pot(s) then dump into the cooler. By time your cooler warms up and you add your substrate your at around 150F. Close the lid and throw a blanket over it for 90mins. As long as your still over 140 by the end of the 90 mins your good.  Now i do pasteurization in a  55 gal drum with a 1500w element, much more time efficient. Best of all when i'm done im left with primo compost tea for the lawn, i just let it cool down first.




So, do you only use the exact amount of water to reach the proper moisture content or do you soak and drain? it sounds like you soak and drain. if so, what is your method for assuring the proper moisture content? when i soak and drain sawdust, its very hard to get it back down to 60% ish


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21979652 - 07/22/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So, the tray that had a little cobweb did FANTASTIC in my improv SGFC. it exploded with a nice, big, even pinset all of a sudden. unfortunately, i went away for 2 days and when i got back many had sporulated all over the place. is that a big deal?



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    #21980055 - 07/22/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

no, sorry. didn't think to take pics before i harvested. i just got in the door from being away and was like 'fuuuuuuuck, spores!' and just picked them all


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    #21980286 - 07/22/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So how do we know if what you are saying is true and if it actually happened?


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    #21980292 - 07/22/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I believe that mushrooms can grow from manure and coir :wink:

but the cobweb probably was never there tho.


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    #21980309 - 07/22/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So how do we know if what you are saying is true and if it actually happened?




why would i say i got spores all over it if it weren't true? that'd be an odd thing to lie about

spacechild, it may not have been contaminated but it has strange growth on the surface and it smelled off, kind of moldy like an old compost bin with trich in it, so i isolated it. i don't see any sign of cobweb any more, it was only there during colonization.


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    #21980315 - 07/22/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You know what they say... If there's no pics, i didn't happen AND once you go Grey their ain't no other way


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So how do we know if what you are saying is true and if it actually happened?




why would i say i got spores all over it if it weren't true? that'd be an odd thing to lie about

spacechild, it may not have been contaminated but it has strange growth on the surface and it smelled off, kind of moldy like an old compost bin with trich in it, so i isolated it. i don't see any sign of cobweb any more, it was only there during colonization.




it definitely wasn't cobweb nor trich.
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    #21980412 - 07/22/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well, since i had such poor results, i'm going to call this experiment a fail and try again. i can say, anecdotally, that un-aged rabbit poo has a lot of potential as a substrate additive. i'd be interested to try it as the sole ingredient in future experiments.

I got about 80 grams (11g dry) off the healthy rabbit poo tray and only 14 grams (not dry yet) off the healthy coffee ground tray. i don't think i'll use coffee grounds again because the trays didn't produce (one got trich and the other one only made one huge mushroom). that might be due to me not adjusting the pH of the substrate, which I'll do next time for sure. However, both subs were the same Ph when I inoculated and had the same colonization time but the rabbit poo performed so much better. Even the one rabbit poo tray that got contaminated with cobweb mold performed better than the healthy coffee ground tray.

I can't wait to see the results when I properly pasteurize the sub and let it colonize longer before introducing to the fruiting chamber.

what do y'all do with trays between flushes? do you leave them in fruiting conditions? i imagine that putting them back in a plastic bag or other low fae environment would facilitate the growth of contams?

like i said, i've never used coco coir as a sub before and i've never used trays as containers before, so please forgive me for the fail. i hope you were able to take something away from this anyway. i know i did. and i look forward to seeing everybody else's experiments with rabbit poo.


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So how do we know if what you are saying is true and if it actually happened?




why would i say i got spores all over it if it weren't true? that'd be an odd thing to lie about

spacechild, it may not have been contaminated but it has strange growth on the surface and it smelled off, kind of moldy like an old compost bin with trich in it, so i isolated it. i don't see any sign of cobweb any more, it was only there during colonization.




it definitely wasn't cobweb nor trich.
if you had either one of them and left your tub, your initial reaction when you get
home wouldn't be oh no, spores everywhere, it'd be what the flying fuck, where's my sub gone?




i didn't say i had trich, i said it smelled like a compost bin full of trich. i'm pretty sure it had some cobweb during colonization, which is why i isolated it during fruiting, even though the sub looked fine when i put it in the SGFC. just a precaution. it took longer than the others to colonize and smelled off, and had fuzzy, cobwebby growth on the surface. i've had cobweb before on ganoderma substrate and the ganoderma mycelium ate it up and fruited anyway...


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21980433 - 07/22/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

then you didn't have cobweb now and you didn't have it on your ganoderma :super:

you'll know when you have it cause it wont go away it'll cover fuckin everything in.

black pin mold which is often mistaken for cobweb is even worse.


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    #21980451 - 07/22/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if you say so...i know the difference between the smell of mold and the smell of mycelium, though. it was infected with something


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    #21980491 - 07/22/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



here are a couple of the late bloomers off the coffee ground sub i pulled this morning. they were pulled from the side, not the top. these are about the same size as the average mushrooms from the rabbit poo trays, which are in the dehydrator right now. it was silly of me to not take pics before harvesting. double failed on this experiment


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21984141 - 07/23/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When I do my pasteurization of coir substrates I use the paint strainer mesh bag to wring out the moisture and press any excessive moisture out.


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    #21984461 - 07/23/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thanks, grower! i'll give your method a try next time. i bet coco is easier to squeeze excess moisture out of than sawdust. i'll be building a steam sterilizer soon that i should be able to use for bulk pasteurization, too


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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #22004606 - 07/27/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well, the rest of the crop is done drying. dry weight results:

11g off healthy rabbit poo in GH
7g off contam'd rabbit poo in SGFC
11g off healthy coffee grounds in GH
0g off contaminated coffee grounds, disposed of

i bet with proper pH buffering, the coffee grounds would have competed just fine with the rabbit poo.


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