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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Phototropism] 1
#21952136 - 07/16/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i wouldn't know
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hamloaf
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21952318 - 07/16/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice! Love the use of the rabbit dung here. Those are cubes, niki.
If you are using coffee and getting mixed results that's because those times when failure was met using spent grounds the grounds didn't get pasteurized properly.
Here goes a lil diddy I wrote about using properly pasteurized spent coffee grounds as an additive to the bulk substrate.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21321619#21321619
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: hamloaf]
#21953828 - 07/16/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im pretty sure he knows those "Look like cubes" by now guys. Lol
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: psylopsycho]
#21953867 - 07/16/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would love to see a rabbit poo vs horse or cow manure test. It sounds like you attempted a pasteurization, did you ever check your core temp? If you're not hitting and maintaining above 140+ your just warming up poo.
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
#21953880 - 07/16/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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got any tips for pasteurizing substrate? i used the method explained in the OP because it seemed desirable to not have to remove moisture from the substrate after pasteurizing.
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21953904 - 07/16/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i suppose i could put the trays in a cooler or something and steam pasteurize them...i just took a short cut this time
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d0urd3n
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21953913 - 07/16/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you asking how to pasteurize rabbit poo sub, or did I miss something?
Frank's Proper Pasteurization Tek 3.0
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psylopsycho
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
#21954109 - 07/16/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: I would love to see a rabbit poo vs horse or cow manure test. It sounds like you attempted a pasteurization, did you ever check your core temp? If you're not hitting and maintaining above 140+ your just warming up poo.
Rabbit Poo vs Horse Poo coming soon! Stay tuned.
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: psylopsycho]
#21955955 - 07/17/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That jar method would work, but not for large scale of any sort. I do small batches stovetop as well but using a 5 gal paint strainer bag to fit considerably more substrate in my PC pot. I preheat my water to 165 with the shield plate at the bottom of the pot then dunk in the substrate and mix it up till it reads around 150. If i need to add more heat ill put the burner on low and mix. Once its at the target temp i wrap it in a blanket on the kitchen floor and let it sit.
I also used to do 5-7 gallons of substrate in a cooler filled with hot water, bring 5 gals to 180 in a pot(s) then dump into the cooler. By time your cooler warms up and you add your substrate your at around 150F. Close the lid and throw a blanket over it for 90mins. As long as your still over 140 by the end of the 90 mins your good. Now i do pasteurization in a 55 gal drum with a 1500w element, much more time efficient. Best of all when i'm done im left with primo compost tea for the lawn, i just let it cool down first.
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: d0urd3n]
#21956893 - 07/17/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said: Are you asking how to pasteurize rabbit poo sub, or did I miss something?
Frank's Proper Pasteurization Tek 3.0
thanks, but i'm using trays, not jars....in the op, you see i poured boiling water on the substrate to "pasteurize" but i know it didn't maintain proper temps the whole time. i do my straw in a 55 gal drum over a fire but i was hoping to not have to drain coco coir and poo to proper moisture content.
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21979613 - 07/22/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, the tray that had a little cobweb did FANTASTIC in my improv SGFC. it exploded with a nice, big, even pinset all of a sudden. unfortunately, i went away for 2 days and when i got back many had sporulated all over the place. is that a big deal?
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
#21979621 - 07/22/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: That jar method would work, but not for large scale of any sort. I do small batches stovetop as well but using a 5 gal paint strainer bag to fit considerably more substrate in my PC pot. I preheat my water to 165 with the shield plate at the bottom of the pot then dunk in the substrate and mix it up till it reads around 150. If i need to add more heat ill put the burner on low and mix. Once its at the target temp i wrap it in a blanket on the kitchen floor and let it sit.
I also used to do 5-7 gallons of substrate in a cooler filled with hot water, bring 5 gals to 180 in a pot(s) then dump into the cooler. By time your cooler warms up and you add your substrate your at around 150F. Close the lid and throw a blanket over it for 90mins. As long as your still over 140 by the end of the 90 mins your good. Now i do pasteurization in a 55 gal drum with a 1500w element, much more time efficient. Best of all when i'm done im left with primo compost tea for the lawn, i just let it cool down first.
So, do you only use the exact amount of water to reach the proper moisture content or do you soak and drain? it sounds like you soak and drain. if so, what is your method for assuring the proper moisture content? when i soak and drain sawdust, its very hard to get it back down to 60% ish
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21979652 - 07/22/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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knomadic_niki said: So, the tray that had a little cobweb did FANTASTIC in my improv SGFC. it exploded with a nice, big, even pinset all of a sudden. unfortunately, i went away for 2 days and when i got back many had sporulated all over the place. is that a big deal?
No pics?
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: nobody83]
#21980055 - 07/22/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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no, sorry. didn't think to take pics before i harvested. i just got in the door from being away and was like 'fuuuuuuuck, spores!' and just picked them all
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21980286 - 07/22/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So how do we know if what you are saying is true and if it actually happened?
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: nobody83]
#21980292 - 07/22/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe that mushrooms can grow from manure and coir 
but the cobweb probably was never there tho.
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: nobody83]
#21980309 - 07/22/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nobody83 said: So how do we know if what you are saying is true and if it actually happened?
why would i say i got spores all over it if it weren't true? that'd be an odd thing to lie about
spacechild, it may not have been contaminated but it has strange growth on the surface and it smelled off, kind of moldy like an old compost bin with trich in it, so i isolated it. i don't see any sign of cobweb any more, it was only there during colonization.
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Edited by knomadic_niki (07/22/15 01:48 PM)
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21980315 - 07/22/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know what they say... If there's no pics, i didn't happen AND once you go Grey their ain't no other way
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21980382 - 07/22/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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knomadic_niki said:
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nobody83 said: So how do we know if what you are saying is true and if it actually happened?
why would i say i got spores all over it if it weren't true? that'd be an odd thing to lie about
spacechild, it may not have been contaminated but it has strange growth on the surface and it smelled off, kind of moldy like an old compost bin with trich in it, so i isolated it. i don't see any sign of cobweb any more, it was only there during colonization.
it definitely wasn't cobweb nor trich. if you had either one of them and left your tub, your initial reaction when you get home wouldn't be oh no, spores everywhere, it'd be what the flying fuck, where's my sub gone?
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Rabbit poo and coco coir tray grow log [Re: nobody83]
#21980412 - 07/22/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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well, since i had such poor results, i'm going to call this experiment a fail and try again. i can say, anecdotally, that un-aged rabbit poo has a lot of potential as a substrate additive. i'd be interested to try it as the sole ingredient in future experiments.
I got about 80 grams (11g dry) off the healthy rabbit poo tray and only 14 grams (not dry yet) off the healthy coffee ground tray. i don't think i'll use coffee grounds again because the trays didn't produce (one got trich and the other one only made one huge mushroom). that might be due to me not adjusting the pH of the substrate, which I'll do next time for sure. However, both subs were the same Ph when I inoculated and had the same colonization time but the rabbit poo performed so much better. Even the one rabbit poo tray that got contaminated with cobweb mold performed better than the healthy coffee ground tray.
I can't wait to see the results when I properly pasteurize the sub and let it colonize longer before introducing to the fruiting chamber.
what do y'all do with trays between flushes? do you leave them in fruiting conditions? i imagine that putting them back in a plastic bag or other low fae environment would facilitate the growth of contams?
like i said, i've never used coco coir as a sub before and i've never used trays as containers before, so please forgive me for the fail. i hope you were able to take something away from this anyway. i know i did. and i look forward to seeing everybody else's experiments with rabbit poo.
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Edited by knomadic_niki (07/22/15 02:40 PM)
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