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InvisibleGovam
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Pinning confusion
    #21801146 - 06/13/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

These little guys started pinning before I initiated FAE and only had minimal light from under my bed. I stuffed my holes with polyfill when I saw these things. But I'm not sure if they're aborts or pins. They seem a little...off. Any advice? I plan on starting to mist later today, as well as taking them out of the light, assuming these are all pins





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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: Govam]
    #21801163 - 06/13/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Look like healthy pins to me! Are you going to case?


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21801176 - 06/13/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wanted to case but I've been so busy lately. Figure it's too late at this point, gonna let it ride


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: Govam]
    #21801184 - 06/13/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sweet. Keep us updated! Is the whole sub colonized?


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21801243 - 06/13/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: Subnet Mask]
    #21818677 - 06/17/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have a lot more pins today. Been fanning and misting in small amounts 2x a day. Starting 3x today.

Existing pins haven't grown much. strain seems slow or my conditions aren't ideal.


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: Govam]
    #21821683 - 06/18/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Govam said:
I have a lot more pins today. Been fanning and misting in small amounts 2x a day. Starting 3x today.

Existing pins haven't grown much. strain seems slow or my conditions aren't ideal.



Hmm... it's been 4 days.  Pics?


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21838936 - 06/21/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think I had enough FAE once pins formed. On Thursday, I took out some pollyfill, started misting less and fanning more. Got 2 caps off this morning that had just broken veil. No other pins have moved, but new pins have formed. The earliest pins look gray and unhealthy now.

Lesson learned, CO2 for pins, FAE and some misting for fruit.

I'll post pics tomorrow, hopefully the new pins will grow.

PS I'm really bummed out about this, feel like I suffocated my children. Is there any light at the end of this tunnel?


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: Govam]
    #21841123 - 06/22/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Govam said:
Lesson learned, CO2 for pins, FAE and some misting for fruit.





No not really.  High CO2 during colonization to prevent pins from forming and to keep the mycelium running through the substrate. 

Introduce FAE for pinning.  Continue FAE throughout the fruiting cycle. 

Also, you can mist during while pins are forming.  Just fan immediately after so any water that has built up on the colonized substrate can evaporate. 

Evaporation is key to form pins. Misting is sometimes necessary if the substrate has dried up a bit before pins have formed.


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21841245 - 06/22/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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High CO2 during colonization to prevent pins from forming




and how's that working out for ya?


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: spacechildo]
    #21848253 - 06/23/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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shroomyaxn said:
High CO2 during colonization to prevent pins from forming




and how's that working out for ya?




It's actually working out awesome...thanks to searching posts by "RogerRabbit" and sifting through the bull that is sprinkled throughout by the ill-informed users. 

Facts below:

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RogerRabbit said:
High CO2 levels are beneficial during colonization.  It prevents most of your substrate from being turned into CO2.  Without proper covering, up to 50% or more of the carbon in your substate will be released as CO2 gas by the mycelium.

In addition, many competitor fungi can't thrive in the high CO2 environment, thus it helps favor for mushroom mycelium.
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Yes...Try to keep the CO2 level up during colonization, to keep your substrate from being consumed, then lower the levels through more air exchange to initiate pinning. 
RR




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We keep the CO2 high during colonization for three main reasons.  The first is that less of the substrate is consumed during colonization, therefore more of its biological mass is available later for producing mushrooms, increasing BE. The second is that a high CO2 level impedes the growth of most competitor fungi, so if those organisms are present, your mushroom mycelium will be at an advantage. The third is we've found a reduction in CO2 along with the other pinning triggers helps contribute to great pinsets.
RR




Thank you RogerRabbit...


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21848520 - 06/24/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Where does he say high co2 prevents pins from forming?


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: Govam]
    #21849299 - 06/24/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Govam said:
Lesson learned, CO2 for pins, FAE and some misting for fruit.





Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong? It should read "FAE to reduce CO2 buildup, with continued misting and fanning throughout the fruiting process.


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21858911 - 06/26/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)






Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong? It should read "FAE to reduce CO2 buildup, with continued misting and fanning throughout the fruiting process.




Yeah pretty much. I have the lid cracked at this point. I see new pins here and there, but I think it's mostly over for this tub. Moving on.


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Re: Pinning confusion [Re: Govam]
    #21859441 - 06/26/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Are you tossing it? The tubs good man, just let it do its thing.


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