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motaman
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Ten arrested over drug-driving [UK]
#21800673 - 06/13/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.thelancasterandmorecambecitizen.co.uk/news/13330095.Ten_arrested_over_drug_driving/
Ten arrested over drug-driving 5:04am Saturday 13th June 2015
 Ten arrested over drug-driving
TEN people have been arrested in Lancashire on suspicion of drug-driving since new laws came into place in March.
New figures obtained by the Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM) showed that 902 drivers had been apprehended in England and Wales after new limits on a host of drugs were enforced on March 2.
Lancashire police said they were 'already seeing results' and would continue to crack down on those who ignored the recent changes.
The IAM, which requested the statistics through the Freedom of Information Act, said drugs could be a factor in as many as 200 deaths every year.
The organisation questioned why there was such disparity between the number of arrests in different regions: the Metropolitan police made the most, with 214, while forces in Leicestershire, Warwickshire and Gwent made none.
Chief executive Sarah Sillars said: "I am sure the majority of law-abiding drivers would like to know why there is such a variation in the data we have received from police forces. It would be unfortunate if some people got the idea that some areas are softer on drug-driving than others.
"It is very clear from our survey that the new drug-driving law has just scratched the surface of a much bigger issue. It would seem Sir Peter North has been proved correct when he said there is a significant drug-driving problem which is out of all proportion to the number of accidents reported to the police.
"We are delighted that the legislation has been introduced and people are being caught."
The new legislation set limits at very low levels for eight illegal substances and eight prescription drugs, including diazepam, methadone and morphine.
Officers are now able to use a 'drugalyser' to screen for cannabis and cocaine at the roadside and test for ecstasy, LSD, ketamine and heroin at police stations.
A spokesman for Lancashire police said: "The new legislation gives specific limits for 16 drugs in the body in a similar way to the drink-driving legislation and we are already seeing results after using it as a new tool in our efforts to target people who get behind the wheel when not fit to drive through drugs.
"Those who think they can get away with taking drugs and driving a vehicle should know that we will find them."
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lessismore
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Re: Ten arrested over drug-driving [UK] [Re: motaman] 1
#21800963 - 06/13/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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"in a similar way"
yeah sure, you buy a drug meter for like $20 and now you use its specific tolerance to measure micrograms per ml of blood in people
you use the lowest tolerance for the drugs you don't like, while alcohol and cigs get a high tolerance
that's how we usually stay ignorant, we think we treat people who drive on drugs equally but people on alcohol can get away much easier, than one on cocaine i.e.
If you took cocaine 5 days ago you will lose your car and go into jail or such
If you just drank 3 beers, nothing happens - if you just killed one with your car you get 6 months in prison
But if you killed one in a car while on cocaine, then you get 5 years
Because we like to think drugs kill, but alcohol doesn't
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Re: Ten arrested over drug-driving [UK] [Re: lessismore]
#21801057 - 06/13/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lessismore said: "in a similar way"
yeah sure, you buy a drug meter for like $20 and now you use its specific tolerance to measure micrograms per ml of blood in people
you use the lowest tolerance for the drugs you don't like, while alcohol and cigs get a high tolerance
that's how we usually stay ignorant, we think we treat people who drive on drugs equally but people on alcohol can get away much easier, than one on cocaine i.e.
If you took cocaine 5 days ago you will lose your car and go into jail or such
If you just drank 3 beers, nothing happens - if you just killed one with your car you get 6 months in prison
But if you killed one in a car while on cocaine, then you get 5 years
Because we like to think drugs kill, but alcohol doesn't
Well said
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Re: Ten arrested over drug-driving [UK] [Re: rudeboi] 1
#21802249 - 06/13/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Field sobriety. Fucking simple. If I'm not too stoned to handle dealing with a cop and walking straight and putting my finger on my nose and whatever else is required in a field sobriety, I can drive.
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lessismore
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Re: Ten arrested over drug-driving [UK] [Re: XTCentral]
#21804807 - 06/14/15 02:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Simplified view from one who would like to use drugs while driving?
Weed can make you more focused, and suddenly 30mins in zone out and drive into a wall of a building
That's how it often can work, make people fall asleep
Alcohol can do the same
A field sobriety test is not very reliable at all, is only some guidance
Blood drug % is what we need to deal with if suspected drugs - if the drug meters say you used drugs in high amounts
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Re: Ten arrested over drug-driving [UK] [Re: lessismore]
#21809560 - 06/15/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm all for total drug legalization but i have no problem with drink or drug driving laws, we sharing public space when on the road so it is only fair BUT ONLY if done correctly and clearly right now they doing it wrong. I myself don't smoke weed or drink if i know i'm going to drive, more to it i think that our australian 0.05 is bad idea as well, not that people are not able to drive but it opens room for errors, i think we have something like 2 standard drinks first hour and then 1 every next hour, this is so easy to get wrong not to mention person to person it is different it just should not be in place at all, have some 0.01 in place as buffer for reading errors and medication based on alcohol and that is it. BUT considering that some drugs get detected days after that drug tests should have no place till they are better and arresting people is just silly unless someone is verified to be off their face and danger to others.
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XTCentral
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Re: Ten arrested over drug-driving [UK] [Re: lessismore]
#21832277 - 06/20/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lessismore said: Simplified view from one who would like to use drugs while driving?
Weed can make you more focused, and suddenly 30mins in zone out and drive into a wall of a building
That's how it often can work, make people fall asleep
Alcohol can do the same
A field sobriety test is not very reliable at all, is only some guidance
Blood drug % is what we need to deal with if suspected drugs - if the drug meters say you used drugs in high amounts
No. Blood drug % is silly. I know people who drive better on amounts which I'd never feel safe driving on. The thing about weed is IT'S NOWHERE NEAR AS DANGEROUS AS ALCOHOL DRIVING because it doesn't affect your judgement the same way.
Weed has a tendency towards an anxious or paranoid edge depending on your mindstate and circumstances, unlike Alcohol. On Alcohol, the more you drink the more you THINK you can drive. With weed, you're more likely to just decide to stay at home and eat because you simply cannot be bothered, or wait an hour to sober up a bit before going out.
It's silly because those tests cannot differentiate between somebody who's never smoked before smoking a blunt and getting behind the wheel and someone who smokes daily having his morning spliff and driving out 2 hours later when it's on the tail-end.
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considering that some drugs get detected days after that drug tests should have no place till they are better and arresting people is just silly unless someone is verified to be off their face and danger to others.
Right. What I'm saying is that if you pull someone over because they were driving as if they were intoxicated, and they're obviously stoned when they roll down their window then test them for active levels of THC in the blood to prove that they were high. However, just testing people's blood for any amounts of THC does not prove they were driving while unfit to drive at all. You need something else to suggest that.
Edited by XTCentral (06/20/15 12:48 PM)
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