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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21845793 - 06/23/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, I say that because it's true. Right... wrong... it matters to me.

Now, got anything less childish to say?


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21845851 - 06/23/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Here is what you said:

The economy really crashed in '09 not 08.
The point was never when the economy collapsed, it was in 09.



Fal, your points have fallen apart and you went from claiming I said the economy "started" to crash in 09 from your last post to now talking about when the crash hit. Yes, I think the crash was most apparent in 09 and started well before that



Great.  So you finally agree the economic collapse WASN'T started under Obama, as you claimed in the links I quoted above.  I already said we felt the pain of the crash that occurred under Bush in 2009.  So you're agreeing with me now.

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What are you trying to tell us, that we are doing great now? That has been thoroughly debunked.



You have a reading comprehension problem the likes I've never seen before.  I already explained that's not the case here.  Can you stop making things up just for once and stick with what was actually said?  Nevermind.  If I have to explain something for the 3rd time in one thread, you obviously are incapable of listening to what people actually say.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21845900 - 06/23/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Poor fal, he realizes his argument has fallen to pieces and now can only quibble about the tiniest things.

>Great.  So you finally agree the economic collapse WASN'T started under Obama

I never said he was the author of the collapse, another straw man. However, it did occur on his watch. You keep harping on the fact it was not all his fault ignoring the reality that he has done little to help us and in fact wasted our resources on stupid shit.

Can you deny that virtually any idiot could have spent that massive amount of money better than o'stumbles?

Another question you have been running away from is how much should the max tax rate be? You call for higher taxes on the "rich" so how high should it be?

You did indeed tell us we are doing much better but when questioned about it, you go to childish insults and dodge the questions again. Are we doing better now and is the recession over?

One more question to run from, do you believe the bogus employment figures your master gives us? What then is your explanation for us having the lowest labor force participation in decades?


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21845956 - 06/23/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A warning shot. In other countries there would be a million protesters mobbing the capitol but here most couldn't spell TPP if they had even heard of it. It's a goddamn shame.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21846101 - 06/23/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Poor fal, he realizes his argument has fallen to pieces and now can only quibble about the tiniest things.



You keep saying that, and it means nothing without you backing it up.  You also keep changing your position as you learn you're wrong, and you keep lying about other people's position so you can attack it, as I repeatedly show you.  Here are a few questions to get us back on track.  Let us know your current position, because it keeps changing:

1.  In what year did the US economic collapse occur?
2.  Is the US economy better now than when Obama took office?


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21846139 - 06/23/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A warning shot. In other countries there would be a million protesters mobbing the capitol but here most couldn't spell TPP if they had even heard of it. It's a goddamn shame.





Most are too busy watching "reality" shows to even care.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21846171 - 06/23/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Poor poor fal, his meltdown continues. He ignores all the tough questions no matter how many times they are asked. His questions have been answered over and over and are irrelevant but he keeps pounding away rather than discuss anything intelligently. Its sad. I will have to include him as one of those who it is pointless to reply to.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21846249 - 06/23/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Poor poor fal, his meltdown continues. He ignores all the tough questions no matter how many times they are asked. His questions have been answered over and over and are irrelevant but he keeps pounding away rather than discuss anything intelligently. Its sad. I will have to include him as one of those who it is pointless to reply to.



:bathtub40lol:
The irony of your last post is completely lost on you.

Can you answer the questions:

1.  In what year did the US economic collapse occur?
2.  Is the US economy better now than when Obama took office?


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21846769 - 06/23/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not yet. It was a test vote. The actual vote tomorrow (Wednesday).

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The Senate on Tuesday voted to advance President Obama’s trade agenda, approving a measure to end debate on fast-track authority.

The 60-37 motion sets up a vote on final passage on Wednesday. If the Senate approves fast-track or trade promotion authority (TPA), it would then be sent to Obama’s desk to become law.




http://thehill.com/policy/finance/245827-senate-advances-fast-track-trade-bill-for-obama




Damn. I really hope this gets shot down. This will do no one but corporate fatcats any good. :undecided:


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21846779 - 06/23/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The media is mum on it or spouts propaganda that its a good thing. We used to be an open society where people could follow what the politicians were doing but now they vote on secret bills that we can't even read after they are passed. 1984 is here.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21847400 - 06/23/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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There seems to be many who feel that anything Obama does is intrinsically bad, no matter what it is. Witness the furor over the preservation of Net Neutrality we had in the Pub a few months back.





I TOLD YOU SO IN YOUR FACE post about net neutrality coming up....its a good one.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #21847420 - 06/23/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
allowing the Government make our lives better. :shrug:





"Allowing the Government make our lives better."  Oh,God, that's a great one FAL!!!

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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21847615 - 06/23/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
allowing the Government make our lives better. :shrug:





"Allowing the Government make our lives better."  Oh,God, that's a great one FAL!!!

:rofl2:



Perhaps you don't care about a strong middle class, clean air, a safe workplace, etc, but most other people like those things.  :shrug:


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21847627 - 06/23/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Fal doesn't care about pure food, transparency in govt, or the fact they have steadily whittled away at the middle class.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21847664 - 06/23/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Fal doesn't care about pure food, transparency in govt, or the fact they have steadily whittled away at the middle class.



Of course I care about those things, why do you say I don't?  Can you not make a straw man argument for just one post?


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21847723 - 06/23/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"pure food"
The govt has blocked labeling for gmo's, allowed many harmful substances in our food supply including roundup, aspartame and other junk.

"transparency in govt"
That should be a gimme, obumble has blocked or denied more foia requests than any other pres, his promise of transparency was a lie. The tpp he is pushing is secret. Must I go on?

"they have steadily whittled away at the middle class."
The middle class is shrinking, there have been many reports on that.

And you support big govt. This is too easy.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21847774 - 06/23/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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"pure food"
The govt has blocked labeling for gmo's, allowed many harmful substances in our food supply including roundup, aspartame and other junk.

"transparency in govt"
That should be a gimme, obumble has blocked or denied more foia requests than any other pres, his promise of transparency was a lie. The tpp he is pushing is secret. Must I go on?

"they have steadily whittled away at the middle class."
The middle class is shrinking, there have been many reports on that.

And you support big govt. This is too easy.





You have to allow the government to 'Make our lives better"  :rofl2:


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21847781 - 06/23/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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"pure food"
The govt has blocked labeling for gmo's, allowed many harmful substances in our food supply including roundup, aspartame and other junk.



No, the Government has NOT blocked labeling for gmo's.  I agree it should do more to ban harmful substances in our food, but right it's catering to free markets.

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"transparency in govt"
That should be a gimme, obumble has blocked or denied more foia requests than any other pres, his promise of transparency was a lie. The tpp he is pushing is secret. Must I go on?



I agree; government is kissing big business ass and favoring free markets by pushing tpp.

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"they have steadily whittled away at the middle class."
The middle class is shrinking, there have been many reports on that.



I agree again - the Government is stepping back from its role of ensuring a high minimum wage, and allowing free markets to take their course.

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And you support big govt. This is too easy.



EXACTLY! We need Government to step back into its role of protecting Main St.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21847785 - 06/23/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You have to allow the government to 'Make our lives better"  :rofl2:



I don't know why you're laughing - he just made a compelling case for the return of big government.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21848229 - 06/23/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All I have to say is that Cuba better watch out for wolves bearing gifts.




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