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The Ecstatic
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: zorbman]
#21817950 - 06/17/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where the hell is zappa?
I wonder what he thinks about our socialist communist president's free trade agenda getting thwarted by the progressive left.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21818193 - 06/17/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Where the hell is zappa?
I wonder what he thinks about our socialist communist president's free trade agenda getting thwarted by the progressive left.

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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21818673 - 06/17/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Where the hell is zappa?
In the Romper Room.
Water always seeks its own level.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: zorbman]
#21818786 - 06/17/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is he banned or he just stays away from this sub now?
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
#21819703 - 06/17/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: Yeah progressive libertarian doesn't really exist exactly
libertarians are socially progressive but fiscally conservative.
Bernie is just "progressive" all around.
American Libertarians are socially progressive but fiscally conservative.
Historically, libertarians are actually socially and fiscally progressive. The ideology was co opted by the right to push a corporate agenda.
Historically capitalism, free markets, a bill of rights, constitution, and a limited republican government was progressive, Historically many countries were monarchys or other forms of authoritarianism.
Today it is considered conservative because society has regressed to where markets are not free, the bill of rights and constitution is ignored, and socialism/fascism has replaced a constitutional republic. Banks are the new monarchs and they collude with politicians and military. Citizens are to be bridled and shorn like sheep, but are given treats.in the form of socialism. <- not liberal; modern liberals stole the term and used to to describe governments that are regressive. Double speak cultural manipulation.
I don't really know what point you are trying to make, but the point I was trying to make is that libertarians are anti-capitalist and only these new American Libertarians are capitalist.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
#21821358 - 06/17/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: And the economy is in an even larger bubble than before.
Without the federal reserve constantly injecting billions of dollars into wall st. The whole ponzi econony will collapse.
Do you have any evidence that the Fed is investing in Wall Street?
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Shins said: instead of allowing the problems to be fixed, the fed has postponed the pain and made it worse for when the day of reckoning does come.
Why do you think there has to be a "day of reckoning"? Are you watching Alex Jones?
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: qman]
#21821372 - 06/17/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: We just hit the same number of jobs as we did in 2007, that's 7 years just to get back to where we started, and that's not accounting for population growth.
Obama didn't start in 2007. He started at the end of 2008, and has made huge progress since then.
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qman said: We also have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years, another bad sign.
It's a sign that trickle down isn't working. Time to increase taxes on the rich.
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qman said: We just hit the same number of jobs as we did in 2007, that's 7 years just to get back to where we started, and that's not accounting for population growth.
Obama didn't start in 2007. He started at the end of 2008, and has made huge progress since then.
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qman said: We also have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years, another bad sign.
It's a sign that trickle down isn't working. Time to increase taxes on the rich.
Why are you defending Obama again? I just stated what the US economy has done job wise. For the record, I don't blame or applaud a President for the country's economic performance, why do you?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Time to increase taxes on the rich.
Time to collect taxes from the 50% of Americans that currently have a net payment of zero at the end of the year.
Time to fix the spending problem Congress suffers from. Cut spending drastically.
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Shins said: And the economy is in an even larger bubble than before.
Without the federal reserve constantly injecting billions of dollars into wall st. The whole ponzi econony will collapse.
Do you have any evidence that the Fed is investing in Wall Street?
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Shins said: instead of allowing the problems to be fixed, the fed has postponed the pain and made it worse for when the day of reckoning does come.
Why do you think there has to be a "day of reckoning"? Are you watching Alex Jones?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_market_operation
Low interest rates, low reserve ratios, etc. etc. All these are used to prop up "too big to fail" wall st.
You aren't really that ignoant are you? It figures.
If you want to know why wall st is so disproportionately rich you can blame the banking cartels and the neive keynsian socialists they use as tools to manipulate policy to their advantage.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
#21823129 - 06/18/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There will be a day of reckoning because our current economic path is unsustainable.
basically;
Raise interest rates and the economy will crash.
fail to raise interest rates and eventually the dollar will crash.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: qman]
#21826286 - 06/19/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BoldAsLove said: ...it's not nearly as bad as it was in 2008. Since Obama took office jobs, long term employment, and real weekly earnings are all up. Unemployment is down.... overall the economy seems to be doing much better than it was during the recession. Do you disagree?
We just hit the same number of jobs as we did in 2007, that's 7 years just to get back to where we started, and that's not accounting for population growth.
Obama didn't start in 2007. He started at the end of 2008, and has made huge progress since then.
Why are you defending Obama again?
Read the above discussion. The claim was that the economy is up under Obama, and you attempted to refute that claim. It IS up under Obama.
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qman said: For the record, I don't blame or applaud a President for the country's economic performance
Is that because democratic presidents have better track records with the economy than republican presidents?
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21826297 - 06/19/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: We also have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years, another bad sign.
Time to increase taxes on the rich.
Time to collect taxes from the 50% of Americans that currently have a net payment of zero at the end of the year.
Your solution to fixing income inequality is to increase taxes on the poor?!? Brilliant!
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
#21826320 - 06/19/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: Without the federal reserve constantly injecting billions of dollars into wall st. The whole ponzi econony will collapse.
Do you have any evidence that the Fed is investing in Wall Street?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_market_operation
Low interest rates, low reserve ratios, etc. etc. All these are used to prop up "too big to fail" wall st.
Ah, so they're not injecting billions into Wall St. They're passing policies that help business.
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Shins said: instead of allowing the problems to be fixed, the fed has postponed the pain and made it worse for when the day of reckoning does come.
Why do you think there has to be a "day of reckoning"? Are you watching Alex Jones?
There will be a day of reckoning because our current economic path is unsustainable.
basically;
Raise interest rates and the economy will crash.
Says who?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Your solution to fixing income inequality is to increase taxes on the poor?!?
If you eat the pie, you help pay for the pie.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21826859 - 06/19/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And if you make them pay for the pie, you will have to pay something else for them.
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Shins
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Shins said: Without the federal reserve constantly injecting billions of dollars into wall st. The whole ponzi econony will collapse.
Do you have any evidence that the Fed is investing in Wall Street?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_market_operation
Low interest rates, low reserve ratios, etc. etc. All these are used to prop up "too big to fail" wall st.
Ah, so they're not injecting billions into Wall St. They're passing policies that help business.
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Shins said:
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Shins said: instead of allowing the problems to be fixed, the fed has postponed the pain and made it worse for when the day of reckoning does come.
Why do you think there has to be a "day of reckoning"? Are you watching Alex Jones?
There will be a day of reckoning because our current economic path is unsustainable.
basically;
Raise interest rates and the economy will crash.
Says who?
Read the links. They are not "passing policy" your beloved federal reserve is injecting billions of dollars into wall st. And creating the wealth disparity you complain about. talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
says who? Anyone with half a brain. The economy cannot handle higher interest rates. The fed would have raised them already if it could
why am I not suprised that the hardcore socialist falcon appears to know next to nothing about economics and the finance system.
Duuuuurrrrr tax the rich!
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
#21827111 - 06/19/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Ah, so they're not injecting billions into Wall St. They're passing policies that help business.
Read the links. They are not "passing policy" your beloved federal reserve is injecting billions of dollars into wall st.
I missed that part in both articles. Can you provide a quote from one of those articles that says the Fed is injecting billions into Wall St?
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Shins said: And creating the wealth disparity you complain about. talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
The wealth disparity is the result of business not passing their newly found profits down to their workers who helped earn them. And why would they? Minimum wage is way down, lowering the bar for everyone.
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Shins said: Raise interest rates and the economy will crash.
Says who?
says who? Anyone with half a brain. The economy cannot handle higher interest rates. The fed would have raised them already if it could
Sigh. Why it that conservatives only have half a brain?
The Fed raises interest rates to prevent inflation. Inflation is still at historical lows, so there is no need to raise the interest rate, though that will change soon. And when it does, the economy will not crash, unless there is some other reason.
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Shins said: why am I not suprised that the hardcore socialist falcon appears to know next to nothing about economics and the finance system.
Duuuuurrrrr tax the rich!
I have a masters degree in business, and am explaining the subject for you. You simply make claims you are unable to back up.
Taxing the rich would help reduce the income gap, and decrease the burden on the poor at the same time. Instead of making a counter point, all you can say about that is "Duuuuurrrrr".
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: sweeper54]
#21827147 - 06/19/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sweeper54 said: And if you make them pay for the pie, you will have to pay something else for them.
There's no need to pay for anything for "them".
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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BoldAsLove said: ...it's not nearly as bad as it was in 2008. Since Obama took office jobs, long term employment, and real weekly earnings are all up. Unemployment is down.... overall the economy seems to be doing much better than it was during the recession. Do you disagree?
We just hit the same number of jobs as we did in 2007, that's 7 years just to get back to where we started, and that's not accounting for population growth.
Obama didn't start in 2007. He started at the end of 2008, and has made huge progress since then.
Why are you defending Obama again?
Read the above discussion. The claim was that the economy is up under Obama, and you attempted to refute that claim. It IS up under Obama.
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qman said: For the record, I don't blame or applaud a President for the country's economic performance
Is that because democratic presidents have better track records with the economy than republican presidents? 
I don't view the world as R vs D, I don't really care which party appears to have the better economic track record, it's meaningless in my opinion.
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