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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21803947 - 06/13/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: the economy is worse than when he started
Show your proof
Where is yours?
Sweeper didn't make the claim - you did. Your logical fallacy is: burden of proof.
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sweeper54 said: http://ourfuture.org/20141208/bush-vs-obama-on-the-economy-in-3-simple-charts
The economy tanked under obumble, what more do we need to know?
Sweeper was still kind enough to provide you counterevidence.
And you can't even remember when the economy collapsed. It was in 2008 while Bush was still president.
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And the Repubs in the House and Senate are trying to repeal the banking regulations that were put into place to prevent a meltdown like we had in '08. And they're even sniping at the regulations put into place to prevent another Great Depression too.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Le_Canard]
#21805306 - 06/14/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You guys are still stuck in the dems are good gop is bad mind set. You are looking for someone who thinks gop are the good guys so you can go back and forth "yes he is, no he isn't". Both are the bad guys, both sides are only interested in how much bribe money they can get.
>And you can't even remember when the economy collapsed. It was in 2008 while Bush was still president.
One of us is having memory problems. The economy today is worse than it was in '08. Its not only not fixed its worse. All those trillions of dollars handed over to banks and cronies did little to nothing to help us. The trillions wasted on overseas wars did nothing to help us. That's what your hero spent the stimulus on and we are still waiting for a recovery.
So while obumble has been a terrible president, that does not mean the gop are the good guys. Both sides are crooks. The tpp, ttip, and other dirty secret deals will be the legacy of this chump. Even fal and sweeper will begin to curse him when they find out what scam he put over on us. Its secret for a reason, same reason the aca was secret. Its the newest trick, you have to pass it to find out whats in it.
They are already finding "compromises" to shove the tpp forward, the taa has been approved and that was the major stumbling block. Now they will do some pro wrestling type theatrics to make it look like dems are against it but at the same time making sure it passes. Don't forget to bring your popcorn.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21805540 - 06/14/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This forum is such a joke.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#21809069 - 06/15/15 02:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: This forum is such a joke.
Seriously. I don't know how anyone can argue that the economy is worse today than after the crash in 2008.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21809099 - 06/15/15 02:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, if we're going to talk worst presidents, I sure hope people are considering more than just the last few from recent memory. Don't forget presidents like Buchanan (who was woefully inept at preventing the Civil War), Johnson (who fucked up the slave issue after the war and was the first president to be impeached, falling one vote shy of conviction in the Senate), Hoover (remember learning about Hooverville's in high school anyone? There's a reason they were named after him), Van Buren (who was nicknamed Martin Van Ruin after causing the panic of 1837), and Harding (who is widely regarded amongst the worst with all the scandals and what not, such as Teapot Dome). I hardly think Obama is on the same level as presidents who caused the Great Depression and the Civil War, but those are just my two cents.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21809111 - 06/15/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: This forum is such a joke.
Seriously. I don't know how anyone can argue that the economy is worse today than after the crash in 2008.
http://unemploymentdata.com/current-u6-unemployment-rate/
the official U3 unemployment rate just reached the same level as it was the start of 2009. The U6 Rate is much higher than it was in 2009. In addition, there are a large number of people working part time now rather than full time.
But hey, the bankers and the dick suckers on wall street made out like a bandit with handouts from the government, didn't they?
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: starfire_xes]
#21809341 - 06/15/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not saying the economy is good right now, or that Wall Street didn't dip their hand in the taxpayers wallet, but it's not nearly as bad as it was in 2008. Since Obama took office jobs, long term employment, and real weekly earnings are all up. Unemployment is down. Granted, other numbers are negative, but overall the economy seems to be doing much better than it was during the recession. Do you disagree?
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/01/obamas-numbers-january-2015-update/
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21809787 - 06/15/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Things aren't nearly as good as they should be, but aren't nearly as bad as they were in 08.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21810158 - 06/15/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Things are way worse. All they did was postpone and compound the underlying problems.
either they raise interest rates and crash the economy or they run the dollar into the ground.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21810480 - 06/15/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BoldAsLove said: I'm not saying the economy is good right now, or that Wall Street didn't dip their hand in the taxpayers wallet, but it's not nearly as bad as it was in 2008. Since Obama took office jobs, long term employment, and real weekly earnings are all up. Unemployment is down. Granted, other numbers are negative, but overall the economy seems to be doing much better than it was during the recession. Do you disagree?
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/01/obamas-numbers-january-2015-update/
We just hit the same number of jobs as we did in 2007, that's 7 years just to get back to where we started, and that's not accounting for population growth.
We have the lowest worker participation rate in over 40 years, that's not a good sign.
We also have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years, another bad sign.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: qman]
#21810825 - 06/15/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And the economy is in an even larger bubble than before.
Without the federal reserve constantly injecting billions of dollars into wall st. The whole ponzi econony will collapse. If they continue on this road, the dollar will collapse.
instead of allowing the problems to be fixed, the fed has postponed the pain and made it worse for when the day of reckoning does come.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
#21811232 - 06/15/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: And the economy is in an even larger bubble than before.
Without the federal reserve constantly injecting billions of dollars into wall st. The whole ponzi econony will collapse. If they continue on this road, the dollar will collapse.
instead of allowing the problems to be fixed, the fed has postponed the pain and made it worse for when the day of reckoning does come.
This is true. Incompetent boobs like obumble, his greedy crooked cronies, and the wall st and rich crowd who gives the orders do not care. They have already stockpiled gold for when the dollar goes bust. Smart people will do the same, gold or silver or other commodities. Just keep enough cash to operate on.
They are like the person who realizes he can never pay his debts so he goes on a buying spree on credit planning to file bankruptcy. We will be the ones holding the bag, those who did not take steps to escape the collapse. It will hurt us all but if you invested properly you won't be hurt too badly.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21811291 - 06/15/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just goes to show how far the shrub tanked us and then wasted $3T more in the big sand box.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: sweeper54]
#21811392 - 06/15/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No one has said shrub was anything but a dope, what you apparently can't see or don't want to see is that obumble has wasted some 9 or 10 $T on nothing. Wasted it on overseas wars that help us none when we are not attacked. Wasted it on handouts to bankers, cronies like solyndra, there are billions the pentagon doesn't know what happened to, they just fell through the cracks. But heaven help you if you get a dollar more than you are supposed to, its off to jail. Steal billions, and you get to keep them.
The economy is as bad or worse than it was before obumble started fumbling around. All those trillions have tricked down not at all to the under employed, the newly poor, and the shrinking middle class. If that's your idea of success, I'd hate to see failure. Failure is coming and it will be hard to keep blaming it on shrub.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21811726 - 06/15/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wasted it on overseas wars that help us none when we are not attacked.
And how many of those $ had to be spent to get out of there? Everyone is screaming "O got us out too soon", fuck if he did and fucked if he didn't because the shrub fucked us all.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: sweeper54]
#21811958 - 06/15/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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>And how many of those $ had to be spent to get out of there? Everyone is screaming "O got us out too soon", fuck if he did and fucked if he didn't because the shrub fucked us all.
Who said "got us out too soon"? A leader is supposed to make decisions, his decision was to continue the wars. You want to know who negotiated the end to the Iraq blunder? Take a wild guess? No, it was not obumble, it was your favorite president shrub. Obumble reversed that and sent troops back in which of course you support because dems did it. Why do you support stupid wars like that? It does us no good.
The trillions that were wasted on Iraq and the other shit holes we are presently involved in, could have been spent here. Could have rebuilt our infrastructure and created tons of jobs. He would not have to lie about the unemployment, it would genuinely have been great. He would not have to lie and say the recession is over and things are good again, they would really have been good again. But he dumped it down a rat hole overseas to blow up innocent people, and you support that.
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21812029 - 06/15/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People, have no fear...... because it's......
HILLARY TO THE RESCUE!!!!! 
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: starfire_xes]
#21812083 - 06/15/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who said "got us out too soon"? A leader is supposed to make decisions, his decision was to continue the wars. You want to know who negotiated the end to the Iraq blunder?
Yes I know.
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Obumble reversed that and sent troops back in which of course you support because dems did it. Why do you support stupid wars like that? It does us no good.
WHERE THE FUCK HAVE I EVER SUPPORTED ANY PART OF THAT WAR?
I have REPEATEDLY said they need to build a wall around the 'Sand Box' and let them all fight it out amongst themselves and the last country standing gets to name it whatever the fuck it wants.
Fuck a sand worm
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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: starfire_xes]
#21813134 - 06/16/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: People, have no fear...... because it's......
HILLARY TO THE RESCUE!!!!! 

I hope she doesn't win if only for your benefit. I foresee a massive stroke for you if she wins.
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