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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: psyconaught] * 1
    #21855397 - 06/25/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Conservativism has mutated into some whacky sort of corporatism in this country, and it is by far the 'fringe' of the two parties. Can we agree on that?



I'd argue this applied to both the left and the right. They are both big government corporate fascists, they just disagree on where to grow the government.




I am not speaking about their actions. I am speaking on their rhetoric. A Republican can actually run on the fact that he is going to give tax breaks to the wealthy, and open up free trade. Dem's do it because the people who pay for their campaigns want them to do it.

One thing that is really bothering me is that people around here seem to think that in order for me to be a Liberal, I have to claim Obama is infallible, and the Democratic party is a left-wing party. I don't support either of those notions.

Fascism is a right-wing philosophy, and both parties are fascist. However, I do support Bernie Sanders, wholeheartedly. Feel free to poke at me for that.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21855617 - 06/25/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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One thing that is really bothering me is that people around here seem to think that in order for me to be a Liberal, I have to claim Obama is infallible, and the Democratic party is a left-wing party. I don't support either of those notions.



Once again this applies to conservatism as well. I can't tell you how many times i've been called racist, bigoted, poor person hater, 1% sympathizer, etc. Just because i consider myself conservative/libertarian.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: psyconaught] * 1
    #21855677 - 06/25/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't call a Libertarian a racist, or a bigot. I would only call them misguided, and yes a '1% sympathizer' and 'poor person hater', regardless of their awareness of that fact. Libertarian principals would quickly degrade America back to feudalism. Very quickly.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21856068 - 06/25/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So please explain to me how i hate poor people. Thank you in advance.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: psyconaught]
    #21856106 - 06/25/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You advocate the destruction of our social safety net, public education, and laws preventing corporations from doing things that are detrimental to their workers and the environment. It's not terribly complicated.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21856153 - 06/25/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Conservativism has mutated into some whacky sort of corporatism in this country, and it is by far the 'fringe' of the two parties. Can we agree on that?



I'd argue this applied to both the left and the right. They are both big government corporate fascists, they just disagree on where to grow the government.




I am not speaking about their actions. I am speaking on their rhetoric. A Republican can actually run on the fact that he is going to give tax breaks to the wealthy, and open up free trade. Dem's do it because the people who pay for their campaigns want them to do it.

One thing that is really bothering me is that people around here seem to think that in order for me to be a Liberal, I have to claim Obama is infallible, and the Democratic party is a left-wing party. I don't support either of those notions.

Fascism is a right-wing philosophy, and both parties are fascist. However, I do support Bernie Sanders, wholeheartedly. Feel free to poke at me for that.





Fascism is left wing.  Its a common misconception.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21856163 - 06/25/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I wouldn't call a Libertarian a racist, or a bigot. I would only call them misguided, and yes a '1% sympathizer' and 'poor person hater', regardless of their awareness of that fact. Libertarian principals would quickly degrade America back to feudalism. Very quickly.






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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21856169 - 06/25/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You advocate the destruction of our social safety net, public education, and laws preventing corporations from doing things that are detrimental to their workers and the environment. It's not terribly complicated.





You're incorrect about all of that and obviously don't know what you're talking about.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
    #21856197 - 06/25/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Please elaborate. Also, yes, Fascism is a right-wing philosophy, there is no misconception here.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21856233 - 06/25/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Please elaborate. Also, yes, Fascism is a right-wing philosophy, there is no misconception here.





How do you figure?  Historically fascism comes to power after socialism centralizes power into big government and then it is corrupted into fascism.


Nazis?  Socialist.
stalin? Communist.
mao? Communisr
mussolini? Socialist

looks awfully left wing to me.


the whole point of right wing politics is to limit the power of government,  how exactly does a limited government mesh with fascism?  Thsts utter nonsense.

you probably blame capitalism for todays economy too?


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21856249 - 06/25/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You advocate the destruction of our social safety net, public education, and laws preventing corporations from doing things that are detrimental to their workers and the environment. It's not terribly complicated.



no, no, and no. Try again.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
    #21856253 - 06/25/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A mistake almost all left wingers think is that if a right winger wants to end a government program that he is "against" that thing.

what you all fail to realize is that government is not necessary for us to provide most of the things government does.  If ee want to cut some program, it is most likely because we believe the private sector could do it just as well or better, it doesn't mean we hate that certain thing, it means we believe it can be done more efficiently without government involvement.


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    #21856259 - 06/25/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also if corps are doing some kind of harm to someone,  they can sue.  Right wingers believe in individual rights, if corps are violating a right, you can take them to court.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21856261 - 06/25/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Woof, when you make silly statements with nothing to back them up, you get your ass handed to you. Like here.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
    #21856288 - 06/25/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mussolini, the father of Fascism, was a Socialist? That's news to me!

The Nazi's were Fascist. They spread propaganda that they were socialist to build favor.

I suggest you pull out your history book once more ;-)

Lenin was a real communist. We call Stalin's brand of communism 'Stalinism' and Mao's brand of communism 'Maoism' because they're not actually communism, but that's a debate I really would rather not get into.

Capitalism is certainly to blame for many features of today's economy. You probably blame Communism for Russia's economic problems? That's because Russia was fucking Communist! lmao

Also, do you disagree with my statement about Libertarianism? Please elaborate.

Are you going to refute the very definition of Fascism?:

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun
noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms

    an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
    synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy; More
    Nazism, rightism;
    nationalism, xenophobia, racism, anti-Semitism;
    jingoism, isolationism;
    neofascism, neo-Nazism
    "a film depicting the rise of fascism in the 1930s"
        (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21856297 - 06/25/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Woof, when you make silly statements with nothing to back them up, you get your ass handed to you. Like here.




I'm waiting for him to back up his silly statements. I think you're sorely confused, stone!


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21856315 - 06/25/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I love how most of you people still can't manage to differentiate between systems of government and economic philosophies.


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    #21856383 - 06/25/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Mussolini, the father of Fascism, was a Socialist? That's news to me!





Its news to you because you don't know what you're talking about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

.In 1912 Mussolini was the leading member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI).[3] Prior to 1914 he was a keen supporter of the Socialist International, starting the series of meetings in Switzerland[4] that organised the communist revolutions and insurrections that swept through Europe from 1917.

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The Nazi's were Fascist. They spread propaganda that they were socialist to build favor.




semi-bullshit.  The nazis were officially socialist,  but you are touching on a key piint here;  socialism is the precursor to fascism and fascists play left wingers like the gullible little tools they are in order to centralize the power they need to pull of fascism.  This is happening in America today.


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Lenin was a real communist. We call Stalin's brand of communism 'Stalinism' and Mao's brand of communism 'Maoism' because they're not actually communism, but that's a debate I really would rather not get into.




further proof that left wing government leads to fascism.

Ill say it again; left wingers are used as tools by fascists in order to set up yhe centers of power they need for fascism to operate.  Right wingers are wise to this, left wingers are oblivious.

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Capitalism is certainly to blame for many features of today's economy. You probably blame Communism for Russia's economic problems? That's because Russia was fucking Communist! lmao




America has not resembled capitalism since at leadt 1913 when yhe federal reserve act and income tax acts were simultaneously passed.

oh gee, another oblivious left winger who doesn't understand economics or capitalism., I'm so suprised.



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That is one definition and yes I absolutely refute it.  Even if it were right wing, which it is not, it always cines into power directly after left wing governments create the foundation of power centers in government.


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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Shins]
    #21856413 - 06/25/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>fascists play left wingers like the gullible little tools they are in order to centralize the power they need to pull of fascism.  This is happening in America today.

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Re: Obama gets the TPP shoved up his ass... [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21856622 - 06/25/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, this goes a lot deeper than you fellas think. There are varying right and left wing philosophies. Left wing philosophy focuses on empowering the people, and creating equality. Right wing philosophy focuses on empowering those who are "deserving" of power.

It's not just a matter of big and small government. Mussolini stated that the corporations were the most important part of a country and that the government should work with them to make a better country. Fascism is the merging of corporate and government interests. This is a crucial divergence from Socialism. Fascism is also characterized by belligerent nationalism. 

Fascism empowers corporations and oligarchs. Socialism empowers the people, as is evident throughout a large portion of Europe.


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