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Modern day book burners and censors
    #21798005 - 06/12/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The book burners are gone and we have freedom of speech, right? If you believe that you have not kept up with obumble's war on our freedom. Here is a case of a man the obumble administration is trying to hit with 20 extra years for being a terrorist even though he was never charged with any terrorism crimes. Obumble hopes to set a precedent so that if they find a book, even an ebook in your possession that the govt doesn't like,  they can hit you with a major crime.

What remains of the first amendment has been thoroughly shredded not by the neocons but by the loony left.

http://privacysos.org/node/1753

Obama administration attempts to tack 20 years onto man's sentence for possession of books
Submitted by sosadmin on Tue, 06/09/2015 - 16:14
The Obama administration is trying to tack 20 years onto a Florida man's tax fraud sentence for the supposed crime of possessing books the government doesn't like. The Intercept reports:

Now, to demonstrate that Robertson’s tax charges merit a terrorism enhancement, the government has cited a number of books owned by Robertson that allegedly extol extremist beliefs. Robertson, who is recognized as an Islamic scholar, owned a library which included roughly 10,000 e-books, a small number of which are alleged by the government to have contained passages deemed controversial.

The government hasn’t provided any evidence to demonstrate that Robertson endorsed, let alone acted upon, any of the passages cited in these books, the defense counters. “There is nothing contained in the prosecution’s memorandum which connects Mr. Robertson to any actual conspiracy to commit terrorism,” Robertson’s attorney, Daniel Broderson, said. “He is an Islamic scholar who owned thousands of books, and they are trying to pull select passages from a handful of books he owned to try and make the case that he’s an extremist.”

Robertson, who says he's worked for the FBI and CIA as an asset in the past, alleges that the government is retaliating against him for "refusing to conduct an overseas operation requested by the CIA."

"The government is trying to use my case to establish a legal precedent, where even if a person is not charged with actual terrorism offenses they can still try them as a ‘terrorist’ using the sentencing adjustment,” Robertson told The Intercept. “This is not just about prosecuting my case specifically, it’s about creating a precedent whereby the government can simply go through the books you own and use them to frighten people into believing that you’re a terrorist."

Unfortunately, it wouldn't be the first time. Read more about his case, and about the Muslim Exemption to the First Amendment.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21798691 - 06/12/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nice twisting there from a lunatic paranoia website. I give this one as much credence as the one where mean ol' Muslim Obama is going to import 400 million of his Muslim buddies here and throw all the white people in concentration camps.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21798742 - 06/12/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Is that all you lefties got? Just sneer at it and it magically goes away? It happens to be a true story, obumble is indeed doing this no matter how much you want to believe he is a good guy.

They don't take all your rights away at once with a big announcement. They chip away little by little and over a period of years, they whittle them down to nothing. The dea has been conducting warrantless searches for years now. You thought it was just conservatives and gop who did that, didn't you? Obumble makes a speech about reform and then its business as usual. Only the fools believe politicians.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21798760 - 06/12/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: So tell me, what rights have you lost since he's been in office?


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21798781 - 06/12/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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:lol: So tell me, what rights have you lost since he's been in office?




My right to privacy has been seriously eroded since that jackass took over. Previous presidents spied on us but he ramped it up by orders of magnitude. He still fights to keep it in place and no matter what they tell you, they are still doing it. Patriot act, which is totally unpatriotic, freedom bill, which takes away more freedom. On and on, there is no end to it.

He was the biggest dope consumer since W and cracked down on pot smokers more than any predecessor despite promising to do the opposite. He blocked more foia requests than any other president and had promised to be the most transparent. Must I go on?

Now there is a 100 mile wide "constitution free zone" at every border including the shore which is considered a border for purposes of enforcing searches. They can search your phone, laptop, anything they want within that 100 mile zone. You didn't know that either, did you?

There is lots more but lets try to limit it a little bit.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21798829 - 06/12/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I will agree with you those points, believe or not. I'm certainly not a fan of his and I won't be sad he's gone.He didn't get rid of the Patriot act for starters. But remember that the FBI has been spying on citizen for a very long time (opening letters and tapping phone lines). I'm sure you'll agree with me that this shit needs to go. But also try to keep your paranoia in check. Government troops aren't going to bust down your door on the basis of what you may be reading.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
    #21800487 - 06/13/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Now there is a 100 mile wide "constitution free zone" at every border including the shore which is considered a border for purposes of enforcing searches. They can search your phone, laptop, anything they want within that 100 mile zone. You didn't know that either, did you?




Probably because it's not true.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21800700 - 06/13/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Obama is going to import 400 million of his Muslim buddies here and throw all the white people in concentration camps.





Hmmm, I didn't hear about that. Was that in the state of the union speech? I tuned out a few minutes in.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: johnm214]
    #21801200 - 06/13/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights-governments-100-mile-border-zone-map

Many people think that border-related policies impact only people living in border towns like El Paso or San Diego. The reality is that Border Patrol's interior enforcement operations encroach deep into and across the United States, affecting the majority of Americans.

Roughly two-thirds of the United States' population, about 200 million people, lives within the 100-mile zone that an outdated federal regulation defines as the border zone—that is, within 100 miles of a U.S. land or coastal border.

Although this zone is not literally "Constitution free"—constitutional protections do still apply—the Border Patrol frequently ignores those protections and runs roughshod over individuals' civil liberties.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/13/constitution-free-zones-controversial-obama-administration-policy/

A federal judge who endorsed "suspicion-less" searches of laptops, cameras and cell phones at the border has set up a possible Supreme Court showdown challenging what critics call “Constitution-free zones” and the Obama administration's dragnet approach to national security.

A decision by Judge Edward Korman upholding the federal government's right to search travelers' electronic devices at or near the border conflicts with a similar ruling in California. That ruling requires a "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity before agents can confiscate and examine personal photos, laptops and files. Korman's ruling does not.


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    #21801421 - 06/13/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Like I said, probably because it's not true.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21801459 - 06/13/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ignorance will always be with us.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21801976 - 06/13/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The commie wannabes and their spineless supporters don't want you to know about this. Just as they take away our privacy online, with our phones and computers, they want to be all powerful without having to bother with getting warrants, having grounds for suspicion, and so on.

http://news.yahoo.com/does-constitution-free-zone-really-exist-america-195813138.html

The ACLU’s Constitution-Free Zone

The American Civil Liberties Union has been saying since 2010 that a regulation allowing customs and immigration agents to search electronic devices at America’s borders without cause is wrong. Two years prior to that, the ACLU also warned of a 100-mile-wide U.S. border called the “Constitution-free zone” where such searches could occur.

Last Friday, the Department of Homeland Security issued a two-page review of its policy on searching laptops, cell phones, and other devices at border checks, to clarify the policy that the ACLU had questioned in 2010.

The DHS said that customs and immigration agents can “exercise long-standing constitutional and statutory authority permitting suspicionless and warrantless searches of merchandise at the border and its functional equivalent.”

The story was picked up by Wired magazine and some tech and political blogs as another example of the 100-mile “Constitution-free” zone and a violation of Fourth Amendment rights.

The ACLU also asked for the details behind the decision to be released.

To be sure, the ACLU has played a valuable role in the debate since 2008 and has obtained many government files about electronic-device searches after filing Freedom of Information Act requests.

But the confusion seems to be centered on the idea of a 100-mile extended border for the United States, and how nearly 200 million Americans could have their laptops, cell phones, and iPads searched at any moment.

In a lawsuit filed in 2010, the ACLU argued that “we are not saying that the government can never search or seize electronic devices at the border, but only that border agents should have some suspicion that the search will turn up evidence of wrongdoing before looking through all the private information that people have stored in their devices.”


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    #21802177 - 06/13/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can post all of the articles you want, but it doesn't make the claim any more accurate.  There is no "constitution-free zone", and Korman's ruling is neither precedential nor relevant to your argument.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Enlil]
    #21802325 - 06/13/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"don't bother me with facts, my mind is made up"


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    #21802401 - 06/13/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your articles don't support your claim anyway.  One actually says that no such constitution-free zone exists.  Also, your articles aren't facts.  they're rhetoric.

There is literally no place on the planet where the Constitution has no applicability, although that applicability is pretty minimal in other nations.  Still, there is no "constitution-free zone."  You have yet to establish that one exists, but that's never stopped you from claiming victory before.


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Re: Modern day book burners and censors [Re: Enlil]
    #21802606 - 06/13/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, judge's rulings and such mean nothing. Unless they support your position then you flip flop the other way. Big govt is all you support.

>There is literally no place on the planet where the Constitution has no applicability, although that applicability is pretty minimal in other nations

Zero. And minimal within 100 miles of the border or shore.

>claiming victory

One day you will admit you were wrong about something and everyone will faint.


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    #21802615 - 06/13/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The judge didn't rule that it's constitutional to search laptops without suspicion.  He ruled that the ACLU lacked standing to bring the suit.  Also, that case wasn't about searches in the border zone...It was about searches at the actual border.

Besides, he's a district judge.  His rulings have no precedential effect.


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    #21802667 - 06/13/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Translation: waaaaaaaah

Meanwhile, they can search all they want with no warrant.


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    #21802675 - 06/13/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Of course they can.  Those searches won't be upheld in court, and cops will keep getting sued for them, but sure...they can search.


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