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Now that we have Saddam...
    #2179674 - 12/15/03 03:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Saddam Hussein is now in custody. Let's say that we either through interrogation or offering a 'plea bargain', of sorts, get information that leads us to finding the weapons of mass destruction. Lets also say, for this question, that the weapons are as Bush said, ready to be used. Mounds of deadly bacteria, viruses and production facilities for said entities. Would the war then be acceptable to the liberals here that accuse Bush of "lying"?


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2179684 - 12/15/03 03:45 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

come on. what do you think?


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: ]
    #2179712 - 12/15/03 03:51 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Of course not!

Saddam could announce that he was bin-Laden and Mohammed Atta's third party in anal fucking with the Saudi Royal Family watching and producing the anthrax that was mailed, as Saddam's sons gave al-Qeada the money for flight classes and supported the terrorist, and the pinko's would still think that what the Middle East needs is a big group hug and no more mean nasty man as president.

fortunatly, noone listens to them! :smile: Four More Years of Bush :smile:


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2179722 - 12/15/03 03:52 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Purely hypothetically speaking, yes I would drop my complaints.

But here in the Real World, Saddam has already told his interrogators that he never had the WMDs and that it was an invention of the American gov't to justify an invasion.(Source)

So no, I still think the entire Bush Admin. knowingly twisted facts and outright lied in order to justify an invasion.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2179741 - 12/15/03 03:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Purely hypothetically speaking, yes I would drop my complaints.

But here in the Real World, Saddam has already told his interrogators that he never had the WMDs and that it was an invention of the American gov't to justify an invasion.(Source)

So no, I still think the entire Bush Admin. knowingly twisted facts and outright lied in order to justify an invasion.




Yeah, lets believe everything a deposed murderous dictator says. :rolleyes:

He also told the people that all of the bodies in the mass graves were thieves. I think a little sodium pentathol(sp?) is in order.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: shakta]
    #2179769 - 12/15/03 04:06 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Enimat's question dealt with Saddam admiting where his WMD's were stashed. I just showed that the opposite has taken place, so his hypothetical question is redundant.

Have you seen any WMD's yet Shakta? Its been almost what, 8 months after American assumed control of Iraq and not one shred of physical evidence has been found?!?? As painful as it may be to admit, Saddam was telling the truth this time, while its painfully obvious that BushCo. has been lying.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2179790 - 12/15/03 04:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It isn't painfully obvious either way really, and it doesn't really matter. I can't believe you guys are still on the Bush lied, and Bush knew bullshit around here. He gave us justification enough, whether he still had the weapons or not. When asked about not giving the inspectors access to certain areas yesterday, he said he did it to protect his privacy. That is straight from the horses mouth. He didn't fully cooperate with the inspectors, and we enforced 1441 since no one else would. Game over Saddam.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2179826 - 12/15/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

As it is, I try not to complain too much about a war that already happened. What I'm concerned about now is the situation we're in right now in Iraq. The sooner we can get out of there, the better.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2179836 - 12/15/03 04:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I agree, but I think we owe it to the Iraqis to get the job done first. If we have to stay there for five more years to get it done so be it.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: shakta]
    #2179849 - 12/15/03 04:23 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. But see, if we were to hand control of the region over to the U.N.(I know a lot of you righties are allergic to the U.N., but bear with me), we could be out of there a lot quicker, and still have the Iraqi people taken care of.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2179872 - 12/15/03 04:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

BS. Who do you think would make up the majority of the force if the UN took over? The UN isn't going to even want to take over until the fighting has subsided anyway. Name me a single place where the UN has been successful in this type of operation.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: shakta]
    #2179896 - 12/15/03 04:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Name a single place the US has been successful by itself in this kind of operation.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2179909 - 12/15/03 04:46 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

East Timor is a pretty weak example. The Australians were largely responsible for it. In case you didn't know there are dozens of countries that are helping us in Iraq. I know you libs like to claim otherwise, but it is true. Just because your bastion of socialism known as France isn't doesn't mean no one is. I can think of two places that we have done this in that turned out pretty well. How about Japan and Germany maybe? They only have two of the largest economies in the world, and are both democracies. The UN sure did a good job in Rowanda, and Kosovo, eh?


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: shakta]
    #2179934 - 12/15/03 04:51 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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How about Japan and Germany maybe



Germany was divided between the US, UK, France, and the Soviet Union, and seeing as how that became a major stage for conflict during the Cold War, I don't know how much of a success I'd be willing to call it. Sure, it eventually turned ok, but think about how much time and money we had to put into it. And remember that with Japan, we kept the emperor in power as a figurehead. I don't think anyone here wants to do that with Saddam.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2179937 - 12/15/03 04:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Big deal. We kept the emperor in power. We still revamped the entire government. The three sections of Germany were lumped together if you remember correctly, and yes eventually became quite successful. When did I say it would happen overnight. Once Iraq is being governed by Iraqis again, I have little doubt that the world will have to prop her up for a while.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: shakta]
    #2179942 - 12/15/03 04:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

See, that's one reason I was against this war to begin with. The amount of money it's going take to reconstruct Iraq is going to be a hell of a lot, and all the while the national debt is bigger than ever. We're spending money there that we don't have. Enjoy the tax cuts right now, cuz at some point we're going to have to pay it all back with interest, and that's gonna be a royal pain in the ass.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: shakta]
    #2179949 - 12/15/03 05:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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I think a little sodium pentathol(sp?) is in order.





sodium pentothal and other interrogation drugs dont make people tell the truth, they make them more impressionable. You could probably get Saddam to admit to kidnapping the Lindberg baby while he was under the influence of sodium pentothol. There is no truth drug. And even polygraphs are inadmissible, and with good cause.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2179955 - 12/15/03 05:01 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

See, I don't care about the money. I don't care about the politics of why we got rid of Saddam. Freeing 25,000,000 people from a murderous dictatorship, and possibly changing the entire region is worth the relatively speaking small amount of money it is going to cost. Were is your humanitarian concern?

As far as the deficit goes, you know the spending drives me insane. Of course the amount is bigger than ever, but the percentage of GDP isn't. The record setting deficit bit is somewhat of a red herring when you look at it in context with deficits we have ran in the past.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: shakta]
    #2179977 - 12/15/03 05:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't say I didn't care about the Iraqi people. I was just questioning whether it would be worth it. I think we still have yet to see that. Will liberal democracy triumph in a region that has never known democracy? We shall see. Also, if we were worried about the fate of the Iraqi people, we could've stopped sanctions against them. I know Saddam's done some terrible shit, but there's too many dictators like him in the world to go after them all. I'm just worried about what would happen if we made "liberation" a policy, instead of just a single instance. If that were the case, we'd probably have to bring back the draft, and would be in a perpetual state of war.


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Re: Now that we have Saddam... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2179978 - 12/15/03 05:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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I think a little sodium pentathol(sp?) is in order.





sodium pentothal and other interrogation drugs dont make people tell the truth, they make them more impressionable. You could probably get Saddam to admit to kidnapping the Lindberg baby while he was under the influence of sodium pentothol. There is no truth drug. And even polygraphs are inadmissible, and with good cause.




We aren't trying him for jaywalking. We are trying to get information out of him to save the lives of our men, and figure out what the hell was going on, if anything, with his weapons program. This isn't a court. This is an interogation. Sleep deprivation, loud rap music, and lie detectors would probably get them somewhere. I am not advocating physical torture necessarily, but if it will get him to tell us what he knows then so be it.


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