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Layering vs Mixing Substrate
    #21795826 - 06/12/15 02:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms! video he demonstrates putting down a layer of sub, a layer of colonized myc, sub, myc and topping with sub.

I've seen others post here who also layer.

I've always mixed, with great success.

Does it matter whether you layer or mix?  What is your experience?


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21795855 - 06/12/15 02:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: Buck513]
    #21795891 - 06/12/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I mix but that's me. Ive never layered so I can't speak for that.

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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: Buck513]
    #21795899 - 06/12/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

WTF
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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21795901 - 06/12/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I can see one advantage to layering.  According to violet who I tend trust, cubes like to fruit from an area low in nutrients (ie bulk sub or casing.)

If you mix, then cover with a "casing" layer of bulk sub on top, it seems the inocculation would be pretty poor.  With an entire layer of grains under it, it seems less risky and probably faster.  Perhaps a better strategy for avoiding exposed grains ontop.  I would guess that the colonization of the entire sub is slightly slower.

I have no experience with it though.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: Machiavelliavore] * 1
    #21796175 - 06/12/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I mix most of my sub/spawn first, then and even layer of spawn over that, then an even layer of substrate over that. The top layer is usually just enough to cover the grains. Mixed subs colonize pretty quick.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21796208 - 06/12/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I can see one advantage to layering.  According to violet who I tend trust, cubes like to fruit from an area low in nutrients (ie bulk sub or casing.)

If you mix, then cover with a "casing" layer of bulk sub on top, it seems the inocculation would be pretty poor.  With an entire layer of grains under it, it seems less risky and probably faster.  Perhaps a better strategy for avoiding exposed grains ontop.  I would guess that the colonization of the entire sub is slightly slower.

I have no experience with it though.




That's more an advantage to using a casing layer or a top layer of coir.  Layering the spawn isn't really a good idea no matter how you spin it.

I'm sure some will contest, but I really don't see the point of a layer of just spawn, that's like a layer where water has to slow down to get through, why do that?  Layering bulk sub, sure, that makes sense, but spawn?  :confused:

What advantage could there possibly be?


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21796218 - 06/12/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: Buck513]
    #21796702 - 06/12/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Layering a substrate is pretty pointless. RR layers his straw baskets to keep grain from the airholes. That's the only reason to layer.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21800263 - 06/13/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As 36fuckin5 mentioned, the idea started from straw techs, which is easier to simply layer due to the structure of straw (really hard to mix like you would any other type of bulk sub).  Then like a lot of things, people didn't understand the "why" to it and just transfered the tech to bulk subs.

Reminds me of this thing with coffee pots I've heard some old-timers (not unlike myself, lol) talk about.  Some say it's best to just rinse a coffee pot and not scrub it to clean cuz you're taking the "seasoning" or flavoring or whatever out of the pot, lol.  But actually it's just a carry-over from cast iron ware, like a skillet, which you actually don't want to scrub clean due to the fact that, if done properly, it has been seasoned and will rust if you do.  But yeah, NOT true about coffee pots, that shit just makes your coffee bitter (course maybe that's the way some folk like it ;?)

Anyway, from my XP and observations, there's no advantage to layering and a few disadvantages.
First is the difficulty especially layering the spawn because while it might be easy to spread the first layer of substrate, the next layer of spawn is hard to spread evenly and you'd likely not get a nice even consistency, and the same for each layer thereafter.

Second, this just takes too much time.  Best to work quickly and just mix it thoroughly with your hands, even it out, and close it up.

Third, related to the second, it's just too much work, you're making a simple job far more complicated, imo.

Fourth, spawn evenly spread throughout a substrate will colonize much quicker that layers will, I'm willing to bet money on it, lol.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: fearnoevil]
    #21800286 - 06/13/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've done it both ways. The only real difference is the mixed sub colonises faster. RR will say differently but most of us have been mixing our bulk subs for quite some time now with good results.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21800433 - 06/13/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I've done it both ways. The only real difference is the mixed sub colonises faster. RR will say differently but most of us have been mixing our bulk subs for quite some time now with good results.



That's been my experience.  My last bulk fully colonized in only five days :jah:

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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21800462 - 06/13/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I've done it both ways. The only real difference is the mixed sub colonises faster. RR will say differently but most of us have been mixing our bulk subs for quite some time now with good results.




What about mixing all jars but one and layering the last one with a thin patch of sub on top?


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21800472 - 06/13/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What about mixing all jars but one and layering the last one with a thin patch of sub on top?



Hmm... what do you think would be the advantage of doing that?

It's all about vector points and increasing the surface area of colonized myc to uncolonized sub to speed up colonization, yes?


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21800679 - 06/13/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Vector points?

But agreed, the goal of thoroughly mixing spawn into the substrate material increases surface area exposure of the colonized grain to the surrounding medium and essentially decreases the distance the mycelium needs to grow before the entire substrate is colonized.

With alternating layers of spawn divided by layers of substrate, you have  reduced the efficiency of the mycelium by essentially "segregating" it from the substrate and creating larger distances for it to travel to reach full colonization.

You could think of the mixed spawn/sub as relay race where individual participants only have to run one leg of a race, whereas the layered spawn/sub is more like a group of runners all having to run an entire marathon.  But this analogy is only accurate as it relates to the speed of colonization and nothing to do with whether the myc gets tuckered out having to run further, lol ;?D


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: fearnoevil]
    #21800849 - 06/13/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Like I said, you DO NOT want areas of your substrate to be holding less water than others, and any spawn layers will do just that.  Each grain being surrounded by a reservoir of field capacity bulk/coir/poo is as perfect as it can get.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21801068 - 06/13/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I've done it both ways. The only real difference is the mixed sub colonises faster. RR will say differently but most of us have been mixing our bulk subs for quite some time now with good results.




What about mixing all jars but one and layering the last one with a thin patch of sub on top?



I did this for a while. It worked really well with clones but kind of sucked for MS. The top layer of sub gives a nice low nutrient surface for fruiting and acts as a built in casing layer.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21801120 - 06/13/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I've done it both ways. The only real difference is the mixed sub colonises faster. RR will say differently but most of us have been mixing our bulk subs for quite some time now with good results.




What about mixing all jars but one and layering the last one with a thin patch of sub on top?




That's what I do. I save about half a quart of sub/spawn and layer that on top of the mixed spawn/sub. I don't use a lot of spawn, but I make sure it's even across the surface before I add the top layer which is thin as well. I would only use a quart of each on a 66qt. mono, not any more.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: Grey]
    #21801222 - 06/13/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

using a layer of spawn in the fashion you all are describing is known in the industry as a "frosting layer".  Back in the day-day, frosting layers were industry standard until the realization struck that frosting layering is a good way to dry your grains out, and create a huge vector for contamination.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
    #21801239 - 06/13/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It was not having a frosting layer that worried people about grains being able to dry out and lead to contamination. The frosting was to protect raw grain spawn.

Either way I've layered a couple times and its not as cool as mixing to me. Save the "frosting" for a true casing or late casing.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21801253 - 06/13/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Make sure you always have a layer of substrate over exposed grains. Exposed grains are a major cause of drying out and trich
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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #21801267 - 06/13/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So, you protect "raw grain spawn" (lol) by exposing a whole layer of colonized grain spawn??  Have you even ever done a frosting layer, let alone know what a frosting layer is??  I think not  :lol:

Yea, again talk to me when you have experience in the issues you try to speak upon.  A "frosting layer" is covering the finished bulk sub with a layer of freshly colonized grain spawn, NOT bulk sub materials.  Fucking hell!  A "pseudo casing layer" is the term for the layering of bulk substrate materials to your freshly generated bulk substrate. 


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
    #21801329 - 06/13/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

fahtster used to do a layering method and a method "substrate as casing"

if you do frost the top with a layer of spawn and apply a "substrate as casing method"(what stare was talking about) at the same time. the speed is very quick. i can get fruits in 12-13 days from spawn using that method. but i find the yield to be a little lower until the 2nd flush where it makes up for it. if i put my normal depth casing of 1/4" i get smaller fruits. if i up it to 1/2-1/3" ill get better yield. but it does add a day or two to when you pick fruits.

i do like casing tubs normally, non cased tubs and substrate as casing tubs. i tend to use all of these methods when i get bored alternating between them.

the layering of bulk substrates with substrate/spawn/substrate/spawn i find takes more time and in the end i get the same end result as just mixing it all up. it takes me about half the time to spawn one tub mixing the substrate and spawn together rather than layering.

even doing the substrate as casing method with one top layer of a quart or two ends up adding about an extra hour or two hours to my spawn session. ive been running some trials using the substrate as casing method for the last 6 months. its a fun method. although i think im done with it for now because it takes extra work. if you run more than a few tubs, that extra work builds up.

you can get good results either method, but i choose the easier method. which is mixing up the substrate and spawn directly.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: eatyualive]
    #21801340 - 06/13/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Save the frosting layer for yer birthday cakes.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
    #21801354 - 06/13/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So, you protect "raw grain spawn" (lol) by exposing a whole layer of colonized grain spawn??  Have you even ever done a frosting layer, let alone know what a frosting layer is??  I think not  :lol:

Yea, again talk to me when you have experience in the issues you try to speak upon.  A "frosting layer" is covering the finished bulk sub with a layer of freshly colonized grain spawn, NOT bulk sub materials.  Fucking hell!  A "pseudo casing layer" is the term for the layering of bulk substrate materials to your freshly generated bulk substrate. 



I've seen the term frosting layer used to describe both a layer of spawn and a layer of substrate. I think you guys are really just arguing semantics.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: MudaFuka] * 1
    #21801363 - 06/13/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nah, Think folks get their terms mixed up like how "casing" anymore is incorrectly used to describe spawning to bulk.  Like how the term "50/50" is now confused, and used to describe damion's coir tek and spawning to coir ect.  When I was a new spore back in '08, covering your finished bulk substrate with a layer of grain spawn was taught, employed, and referred to as a "frosting layer".


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
    #21801487 - 06/13/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah frosting has always been understood to me as a layer of pure spawn, which, just sounds stupid as fuck.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: Inocuole]
    #21801577 - 06/13/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

frosted flakes......"theyrrrrrrrr grrrrrrreat"


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
    #21801627 - 06/13/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Nah, Think folks get their terms mixed up like how "casing" anymore is incorrectly used to describe spawning to bulk.  Like how the term "50/50" is now confused, and used to describe damion's coir tek and spawning to coir ect.  When I was a new spore back in '08, covering your finished bulk substrate with a layer of grain spawn was taught, employed, and referred to as a "frosting layer".



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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21802152 - 06/13/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So, you protect "raw grain spawn" (lol) by exposing a whole layer of colonized grain spawn??  Have you even ever done a frosting layer, let alone know what a frosting layer is??  I think not  :lol:

Yea, again talk to me when you have experience in the issues you try to speak upon.  A "frosting layer" is covering the finished bulk sub with a layer of freshly colonized grain spawn, NOT bulk sub materials.  Fucking hell!  A "pseudo casing layer" is the term for the layering of bulk substrate materials to your freshly generated bulk substrate. 



I've seen the term frosting layer used to describe both a layer of spawn and a layer of substrate. I think you guys are really just arguing semantics.



Indeed 5+ years ago it was spawn now nearly everyone calls it using more substrate to cover grain

Just like years ago a casing was a bulk sub. People still say casing though mostly new users


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21802443 - 06/13/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've always just called layering the top layer of mixed spawn/sub as patching, but I don't think that's an actual term. In any case, I've done most of the things we're talking about and didn't notice any differences in either. Small sample size and I probably don't have the eye to notice shit either way.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21803049 - 06/13/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not "just semantics", and I find that excuse is just that, an excuse.  It is important to resist interchanging terminology in order to communicate EXACTLY what you mean, especially when it comes to giving advice to the less experienced.

A casing is a casing, it's NOT a substrate, and all my years I've NEVER heard that it acceptable to call one the other.  They are two completely different things, but when people begin to loosely interchange them, whether by accident (been there done that ;?), confusion, or just get plain laziness, it degrades our ability to communicate exactly what we're talking about with simple, succinct words/phrases.  IOW I don't want to use the word "substrate" in a sentence and then, in order to avoid confusion, have to follow up with paragraph just to clarify my meaning.

In science this is a well-followed practice, and yes, even though this is as much a hobby as a profession (for some), imho folks should make an effort to adhere to the same practice for everyone's sake, if not for just the newbs among us.

As my grandad used to say, "God is in the details, but so is the devil."


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: fearnoevil]
    #21803132 - 06/13/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Some examples of simple definitions (by no means exhaustive) for instance:

Spawn - The colonized medium used to inoculate the substrate.
Spawning - The act of mixing fully colonized spawn medium into a substrate to inoculate it.
Substrate - The medium to which the spawn is added in the production of mushrooms.
Bulk Sub - A tech utilizing a larger quantity of spawn/substrate mixture, often in tubs or trays, for "bulk" production.
Cakes - A medium usually combining spawn and substrate together in order to simplify the cultivation process.
Birthing - Removing a fully colonized cake from its container.
Casing - The final/top layer, placed over the substrate/spawn mixture. 

Well, I can see this opening up an entire can of worms, lol.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: fearnoevil]
    #21803159 - 06/13/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Some examples of simple definitions (by no means exhaustive) for instance:

Spawn - The colonized medium used to inoculate the substrate.
Spawning - The act of mixing fully colonized spawn medium into a substrate to inoculate it.
Substrate - The medium to which the spawn is added in the production of mushrooms.
Bulk Sub - A tech utilizing a larger quantity of spawn/substrate mixture, often in tubs or trays, for "bulk" production.
Cakes - A medium usually combining spawn and substrate together in order to simplify the cultivation process.
Birthing - Removing a fully colonized cake from its container.
Casing - The final/top layer, placed over the substrate/spawn mixture. 

Well, I can see this opening up an entire can of worms, lol.




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    #21803200 - 06/13/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm pretty sure a substrate is more general than that. Like the agar I drop my spores onto is a substrate.


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    #21803241 - 06/13/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ryejar, I know as soon as I posted it that it was probably going to be a contentious issue, to say the least, lol, but one thing I was attempting was to keep the definitions as basic as possible so as to be broadly inclusive of the wide variety of techs which would fall into each category.  I mean you could easily write reams of information following each word if you wanted to be thorough, but that certainly wasn't my aim.

And believe me when I say I don't consider myself in any way to be the final arbiter,  :uhoh: , just trying to help standardize the lexicon a bit ;?D, so feel free to correct anything I got wrong or missed.  It should definitely be a community effort, imo... hmmm, maybe we could start a WikiShrooms, lol. ;?D


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    #21803251 - 06/13/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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hmmm, maybe we could start a WikiShrooms, lol. ;?D




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    #21803290 - 06/13/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Stareatclouds, I can't remember if the term is used as such in microbiology, but in mushroom cultivation I've simply heard it called agar medium, and here the lines get blurred.  I guess we have to decide if we want to keep this as scientific as possible, which has distinct disadvantages where the uninitiated are concerned, or should we try to define them more to fit what has become a defacto standard in the decades since this technology/hobby/art came into being.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: fearnoevil]
    #21803317 - 06/13/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't remember a lot of terminology changing since TMC and GGMM but it's been a while since I re read them


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    #21803337 - 06/13/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Probably not for the most part, but the one's I listed are some of the more common ones that get swapped the most or cause the most confusion, for newbs at least.  And while a lot of us may have read the texts, a list of simple and clear definitions might help, idk.  I don't remember the forum, but I thought I've seen it done somewhere, so it's not an original idea.  BUT, there's no WikiShrooms.org, lol, so if someone knows how to start one, that might be fun and useful ;?D


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: fearnoevil]
    #21803399 - 06/13/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I feel like the terminology isn't as confusing as you're making it out to be. The layering/frosting/patching is really the only issue with semantics/terminology that I've come across.


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21803439 - 06/13/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

some simple solutions here, simply mix or layer your bulk sub and find out what you like the best (oh and remember that "no older than" box when you UTSE),
dont try to make sense out of newbies comments on what's what on the shroomery
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    #21803440 - 06/13/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I notice novices all the time have wrong terminology.  Something such as sanitize and sterilize are confused often.  I think everyone should really start this hobby by reading The Mushroom Cultivator. 

I remember 10 years ago unfortunately my first reading on the subject was the magic mushroom growers guide. 
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    #21804455 - 06/14/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lol, yep know what you mean.

SAC, not trying to make it more confusing, in fact just looking for a little clarity. But maybe you've already forgotten what it was like when you were a noob, but I still remember.  I read so much my head was spinning and I couldn't keep techs straight, kept mixing 2 or more together, lol, and it often was the vocabulary, kept misunderstanding the advice peeps were giving me.  Yeah, good times... ;?D


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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: fearnoevil]
    #21805120 - 06/14/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe stare used the on-site glossary or did research into every term he heard.  :shrug:


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    #21807717 - 06/14/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, like the glossary is that easy to find.  If you didn't realize it existed, which I didn't, you wouldn't know it, which btw makes no sense.  As useful as it is, why isn't there a link at the top of the site or at least on the Getting Started and Cultivation forums so that peeps, especially newbs, can find it? As it is there are less useful links, IMO, such as Arcade, Random, and a Calendar full of birthdays.  Not that any need to be replaces, there is plenty of room for a Glossary link  :takingnotes:

If you do a search for "glossary", no link comes up just a bunch of posts asking if there is a glossary, which in and of itself is proof that it's not readily apparent that there is one.  As it is it's sort of buried, cuz I for one never enter the site (after the first time) via the route that would take you to it, just go straight to the forums.  Maybe management would consider changing that.


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    #21807762 - 06/14/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh look at that it still is right at the top, right under FAQ, where you would go, if you had a question, that was frequently asked.

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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: fearnoevil]
    #21807783 - 06/14/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?terms=shroomery+glossary

not that hard to find :shrug:

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    #21807925 - 06/14/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21807966 - 06/14/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ahh, that would explain it, cuz I never go to the FAQ's anymore, lol.  Well then I guess a newb could find it after all, my mistake  :woah:

Btw, I don't need the glossary, just trying to help the newbies - if you actually read my post I never said that I find any of this confusing, except back when I started.  But I guess it pays to do a better job UTFSE, ;?D


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    #21807998 - 06/14/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the FAQ? I just typed that stuff in the search bar at the top..
you just seemed a little confused when you tried to explain stuff and then asked if people remember back to when they were new.


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    #21808014 - 06/14/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

None of this shit matters yo.

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Re: Layering vs Mixing Substrate [Re: spacechildo]
    #21808015 - 06/14/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've done frosting layered tubs with great success.. I have done mixed tubs with great success.  I saw no difference in the tubs so I just went with mixing it up because it is less time consuming.  Although my pool of data isn't much to do on, just 4 frosted tubs.

I don't see how the frosting layer spawn will dry out.. It's not like its a living mass of small creatures that can't transfer water to places.  If it is covered with a layer of properly hydrated substrate or casing layer, I don't see how they will dry out..  You know you can mist the tubs too right?


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    #21808028 - 06/14/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They might not dry out but they certainly don't hold water as well and having certain parts of the substrate block not hold water as well as others just seems pointless.  Plus like you said it's extra work.


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    #21808193 - 06/14/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe it won't dry out necessarily, but spawn usually has less H2o than the substrate we add, and since shrooms are 85-90% water, any additional water available should help, especially as it's the top layer. But that's just my line of thinking, and maybe a sufficiently moist casing will do the job, idk.

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    #21808203 - 06/14/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe it won't dry out necessarily, but spawn usually has less H2o than the substrate we add, and since shrooms are 85-90% water, any additional water available should help, especially as it's the top layer. But that's just my line of thinking, and maybe a sufficiently moist casing will do the job, idk.

HEY Eatyualive, great to see you're still around, I've read most of your posts on certain other forums, and learned a lot from your work when I was a newb, :mushroom2:





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    #21826174 - 06/18/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe stare used the on-site glossary or did research into every term he heard.  :shrug:




Yep. I referenced the glossary and abbreviations nonstop. I remember CVG gave me trouble, but the others came pretty quick. Sterilization and pasteurization are confused due to external "learning" and not the site, e.g., most people don't know the difference and they're common terms.


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