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Lost Bear
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Vacuum Drying
#21793185 - 06/11/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If one was to vacuum dry fungal mass, would it be better to do so under reduced pressure, or just do so in a vacuum and let air flow through? Or perhaps run some nitrogen through, due to alkaloids being susceptible to oxygen.
What do you guys think?
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bodhisatta 
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who said they're susceptible to oxygen? they oxidize when they're still wet and not cracker dry but that doesn't have too much to do with oxygen other than oxygen being the main part of the discovery of oxidation reactions.
I've never seen anyone do a vacuum dry of them because it's pretty unnecessarily stupid compared to using a 30 dollar food dehydrator cranked up to 160F. which is the best way to lock in potency since they get dry the fastest. while they're still wet cells break down and degridation of actives can happen. that's why people who fan dry because they're afraid of heat are retarded. You can fry cubes in butter or boil them in water and they'll make you trip just as good. boiling water is the best solvent for the actives in cubes.
P.s. reuced pressure IS vacuum. You can have different levels of Vacuum. anything less than 14.7PSIG or 0PSI is a vacuum.
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Lost Bear
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bodhisatta said: P.s. reuced pressure IS vacuum. You can have different levels of Vacuum. anything less than 14.7PSIG or 0PSI is a vacuum.
I should've clarified what I meant by that. The first I mention, reduced pressure, would be the fruits in a sealed chamber with a vacuum. The second would be the fruits in a flask with a vacuum.
I'm merely curious as to what the final product would come to be, and if there would be any differences. This is all experimental.
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Inocuole
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I don't think that's necessarily the correct mindset to describe as "experimental". Comes off more as "I don't really know what I'm doing or talking about so I'm going to try random stuff that sounds like good ideas, and call it experimenting to make the random ideas a little less demeaning of my intelligence". Seen it a million times. 
Anyway, everything Bod said is correct, there's no point to exposing them to a vacuum, or vacuum sealing them, at any point in time. Get them dry and put them in a freezer bag, keep that somewhere with very little air exchange. Simple stuff, dehydrators all the way, heat > time, etc.
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Lost Bear
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Re: Vacuum Drying [Re: Inocuole]
#21793995 - 06/11/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Experiment: a test, trial, or tentative procedure; an act or operation for the purpose of discovering something unknown or of testing a principle
I understand that you're saying there is no point to expose it to a vacuum when you can just dry them in the conventional ways; I'm merely curious if anyone knew what the outcome would be of using a vacuum to remove the water.
Perhaps the folks who have access to a vacuum over at Chem&Pharm would know.
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bodhisatta 
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a low pressure dehydrator setup might be a hair more efficient but for the cost and setup it would be worthless.
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bodhisatta said: who said they're susceptible to oxygen? they oxidize when they're still wet and not cracker dry but that doesn't have too much to do with oxygen other than oxygen being the main part of the discovery of oxidation reactions.
Yeah, I totally spaced there, I think I got it mixed up with something else I had been reading.
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bodhisatta said: a low pressure dehydrator setup might be a hair more efficient but for the cost and setup it would be worthless.
Interesting. So you don't think drying in a vacuum would even be effective, or would just be pointless when you could heat them?
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Inocuole
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If you're talking about using the force of a powerful vacuum to pull the water straight out of the fungus, there's a chance it could result in less degradation, possibly, but the cost and energy of creating a vacuum that powerful would never be used for something so trivial, or at least I would hope not.
There's just no way it's going to be both more efficient and effective as just dehydrating them.
I would be interested to see what they'd look like dried that way. I get the hunch that they would bruise more than dehydrated mushrooms, for some reason.
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Re: Vacuum Drying [Re: Inocuole]
#21794167 - 06/11/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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a vacuum certainly wouldn't hurt the dehydration process but building one for that purpose is a bad idea. it's cost prohibitive for most people to vacuum purge their BHO let alone a setup for shrooms.
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Re: Vacuum Drying [Re: Inocuole]
#21794204 - 06/11/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: If you're talking about using the force of a powerful vacuum to pull the water straight out of the fungus, there's a chance it could result in less degradation, possibly, but the cost and energy of creating a vacuum that powerful would never be used for something so trivial, or at least I would hope not.
There's just no way it's going to be both more efficient and effective as just dehydrating them.
I would be interested to see what they'd look like dried that way. I get the hunch that they would bruise more than dehydrated mushrooms, for some reason.
i concur.
i would imagine they would be solid blue/black
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