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OfflineTheGreenArrow
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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: sprinkles]
    #21792014 - 06/11/15 07:26 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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sprinkles said:
:ifyoucanawe: sounds like a lot of responsibility to me. :ifyoucanawe:  I cant even god my own self let alone an entire universe(s).  :ifyoucanawe: sounds stressful.. now im having an anxiety attack.



Stop focusing on self and focus on others.  I've noticed when you do you're helping yourself.  It seems like this whole thing is just the interaction between animal/environment.  I think we seem to be an infantessimal part of all of it.  Trying seems to me where the importance lies.


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21792256 - 06/11/15 09:09 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:

Oh I know.  I just think he's nuts.  He knows it.  He also knows I wish him well however he has to get there.  We take different paths, that's all.
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Thats OK Zappa, it took me years to get and accept what you're about. its fine to disagree. If I could help you in any way I would, and I'm sure the reverse is true too. We disagree in tactics but in may important moral issues we're on the same page while many others aren't, like stealing from walmart.
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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21792332 - 06/11/15 09:41 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Holy fuck Asante pardon my french but shut the fuck up man for real.

Sorry I am not trying to flame you but seriously man quit pretending like you know shit. This is why I said psychedelics are the most ego strengthening drugs ever. They feed into your delusions and for Asante that makes him the biggest know it all ever.

News flash buddy, you know fuck all and all the time you wasted gaining divine knowledge from drugs about the universe you could have used actually studying physics. You clearly are doing what most dissaciative and psychedelic drug users do. They mentally masturbate with cool words or ideas that are complete bullshit to the outside perspective and to anyone that actually looks into what you are saying.

Buddy, I don't want to get banned or anything for flaming if that even counted as flaming but I am just so annoyed with that shit. The problem with dealing with anyone like you is that you can tell them they are full of shit and they are so delusional and drinking their own soup that they won't even consider they might be wrong. The egotistical nature is real and so annoying to me.


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21792334 - 06/11/15 09:43 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Perhaps reality is bullshit?  Where's Joemolly when you need him?


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21792338 - 06/11/15 09:45 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Holy fuck Asante pardon my french but shut the fuck up man for real.

Sorry I am not trying to flame you but seriously man quit pretending like you know shit. This is why I said psychedelics are the most ego strengthening drugs ever. They feed into your delusions and for Asante that makes him the biggest know it all ever.

News flash buddy, you know fuck all and all the time you wasted gaining divine knowledge from drugs about the universe you could have used actually studying physics. You clearly are doing what most dissaciative and psychedelic drug users do. They mentally masturbate with cool words or ideas that are complete bullshit to the outside perspective and to anyone that actually looks into what you are saying.

Buddy, I don't want to get banned or anything for flaming if that even counted as flaming but I am just so annoyed with that shit. The problem with dealing with anyone like you is that you can tell them they are full of shit and they are so delusional and drinking their own soup that they won't even consider they might be wrong. The egotistical nature is real and so annoying to me.



Pontificate comes to mind


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 2
    #21792346 - 06/11/15 09:48 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Maybe stop concerning yourself with Asante so much....

Quote:

The egotistical nature is real and so annoying to me.




you annoy just about everyone here, shut the hell up...

you don't need to be right about everything....

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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: 1234go] * 1
    #21792359 - 06/11/15 09:53 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Why don't people these days take psychs and actually have their ego weakened? That would be something along the lines of tripping and having the thought:

"Holy fuck, you know what, I really know absolutely nothing about the world or universe. My human understanding is so limited and I am okay with that"

rather then being all like

"I know how the universe was created in the cosmos and what God said and how the particles arrange themselves..ect"

Idk man most people seem to toot their own horn when they trip. How about we weaken our egos like these drugs are supposed to do and just admit we know nothing when it comes to the grand scheme of the universe. The other way around is just an ego trip.


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21792370 - 06/11/15 09:55 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Cause most of them never actually learned real philosophy

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

Socrates


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21792374 - 06/11/15 09:56 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Life's an ego trip man, get over it.

You're on an ego trip and tooting your own horn, right now...

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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: 1234go]
    #21792379 - 06/11/15 09:59 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

Bitter Cactus said:
....
"Holy fuck, you know what, I really know absolutely nothing about the world or universe. My human understanding is so limited and I am okay with that"...





Quote:

1234go said:
Life's an ego trip man, get over it.

You're on an ego trip and tooting your own horn, right now...






Quote:

The Doobie Dude said:
Cause most of them never actually learned real philosophy

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

Socrates




Faith in uncertainty.


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21792383 - 06/11/15 10:00 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Because consciousness seems to be a collective thing.  You seem to operate under the assumption that matter is NOT conscious much like most of the scientific Othedoxy that runs the upper echelons of eduation. (A great example would be TEDTalks censoring people like Rupert Sheldrake.)
  Native peoples have played with the idea that even rocks are conscious just on a much slower vibration than say you or I operate on.  Why or Why not?

The spirit of scientific theory is to question the model of observation is it not?  Why shouldn't we as humans question the dialectic societal norms that govern such things as the "laws" or "tendancies" of nature?


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 2
    #21792398 - 06/11/15 10:05 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Bitter, if asante has gained valuable knowledge then it will become apparent in time. I can't tell you if he has or has not. He had a spiritual type experience, what he is able to glean from that and profit from remains to be seen. Concepts like super string, 10^10000 or some such do not impress me. They are mental concepts and ideas. What impresses me is when it causes a change in the person, a change in life style, for example, the dropping of old bad habits and so on. If the person becomes more positive and has a better attitude toward life, that is a positive outcome.

All too often people get what they believe to be divine guidance, revelation, or whatever you want to call it but then it fades out leaving little behind except for buzz words and the memory of something great. If they can incorporate it in some meaningful way into their life then its real and valid. If not, then it may have been real and valid but they missed the boat. The jury is out on asante, its up to you buddy, use it or lose it.


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21792403 - 06/11/15 10:07 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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What impresses me is when it causes a change in the person, a change in life style, for example, the dropping of old bad habits and so on. If the person becomes more positive and has a better attitude toward life, that is a positive outcome.




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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21792421 - 06/11/15 10:12 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

Bitter Cactus said:
Why don't people these days take psychs and actually have their ego weakened? That would be something along the lines of tripping and having the thought:

"Holy fuck, you know what, I really know absolutely nothing about the world or universe. My human understanding is so limited and I am okay with that"

rather then being all like

"I know how the universe was created in the cosmos and what God said and how the particles arrange themselves..ect"

Idk man most people seem to toot their own horn when they trip. How about we weaken our egos like these drugs are supposed to do and just admit we know nothing when it comes to the grand scheme of the universe. The other way around is just an ego trip.





Good point..

But your main assumption is false, nobody ever said psychs weaken ones ego

Except poor trip report writers, you shouldn't read ego trip reports so much

The rumors I hear is that they can expand the mind
For that to happen they usually need to weaken ego

They are not guaranteed to do so - they may harden it too , which they do in many

It seems fate rules where we end, apathy  or love

Have you tried them?

People who are already apathetic come out even more apathetic often

People who are kind and just come out that as well

They show you yourself

Psychedelics don't make people more egomanic / allknowing than science / having a regular job often does
Just about the same, there are about equally many insane science people and psychedelic users it seems

You must really hate psychedelics, you keep making thread about how it is only about ego

Hate is a feature of the ego, a low vibration, means you got a problem with yourself, maybe learn to accept yourself?

Another person mentioned life is an ego trip, and that is more true than anything you said
Most of life is about serving ourselves, but these molecules can teach us to do more for nature and others , a great benefit to humanity it seems , they should definitely be spread more so we can get some good vibes

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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: lessismore]
    #21792428 - 06/11/15 10:15 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

All you "shed your ego hippies" should eat like 5mg of LSD and go to a public area and do whatever someone says for sake of being egoless and see how thta goes


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21792444 - 06/11/15 10:17 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

:youseethisshit:

irrelevant and nonsensical...:justdontknow:

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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: 1234go]
    #21792600 - 06/11/15 11:18 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

I love psychedelics, I take them to have fun and see cool colours and have crazy thoughts that usually end up being completely ridiculous when I sober up. :lol:

In my experience the only insight I gain from tripping is self reflection on my life. But for other stuff such as knowledge about God and aliens and the universe they do not help at all. Psychedelics give you the illusion of knowledge which is basically just another fancy word for drug induced delusions.

Intellects put psychedelics on a pedestal because they give them everything they want. Psychedelics are mental masturbation. They stroke your ego to the highest degree and give you the illusion that you have divine knowledge and are enlightened. Enlightenment basically means knowledge and understanding and being at peace. I believe true enlightenment does not come as easy as taking a drug and having cool thoughts. I think it comes from life experience and from working hard and a bunch of things. Saying you are enlightened because you took a bunch of drugs is such a cop out.


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Edited by Bitter Cactus (06/11/15 11:27 AM)

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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21792609 - 06/11/15 11:22 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Reality is what you can get away with.  Think about it.  Isn't this whole thing just an agreement on a collective construct?


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21792634 - 06/11/15 11:30 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

The thing is, an MXE addict can say they are taking the drug because it enlightens them and gives them knowledge and wisdom. In my opinion, tripping every once in a while can be beneficial, but when you are going through grams of MXE and rationalizing your use by saying it does all these things is a severely addict like behavior.

How can anyone argue with what he says on this forum? All his rambles of God and particles totally validates your guys's drug use. It basically says that you should be doing drugs otherwise you are missing out on true enlightenment.

IMO that is the problem with tripping. It is basically like being a religious person at times and having people validate your beliefs. You will never turn down what they are saying no matter how ridiculous it is.

B.C.


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21792643 - 06/11/15 11:33 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

...And we're back to what was already cleared up on page 16 of this thread.

A message heard through the use of drugs is a message that falls short.
The use of drugs to bring these messages falls short as they are considered shortcuts - incomplete understand, correct?
So a message brought from a completely sober mind, that is at peace is the one you would hear, even more so if it was from a scientist who went through the journey that Academia has currently set up.

What are your thoughts of the self-explorers, BitterCactus?

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