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Can my friend ever quit drugs?
    #21791764 - 06/11/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey.. My friend is 23 and recently found out she has been on h prenatally and ongoing since then. She didn't know she was using and became heavy herself (can walk several miles in a day) also a user of other drugs and alcohol. Now she's on a lot of it (don't know exactly) just to feel somewhat normal (not happy). The fun she has in life comes from heavy doses at parties. 

The pressure is on her to get clean yet she struggles when sober; not that she notices physically (used to it), but displays cognitive problems without (severe memory loss, no motivation). She's thinking for the short life ahead, does it make sense, is it possible for brains which were never even sober, to know sobriety? How are they wired? Anyone with such experience out there?

Imo she should keep using whatever she needs and take more but this time with caution when partying. And have as much as possible fun while she can?

Thanks..


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21791916 - 06/11/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

She could try Iboga. Apparently that gets great results in terms of ending addiction.


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: secondorder]
    #21796186 - 06/12/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, thanks for reminding! I know there's an iboga 'church' in my country, dealing with the matter, not too far..

I think she doesn't get as many 'cravings' but it's simply a way of life, just like people have to drink water.. with or without nearly same.. does iboga help in such cases, maybe she can ask at some iboga website :smile: thanks!


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21800543 - 06/13/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

METHADONE. She can get through it and with the help of methadone it can be done without hurting herself or child. Don't believe all the bad hype you hear about

it. It can work miracles with the right treatment program.


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #21800652 - 06/13/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The unfortunate truth is: If she wishes to be free of her drug problems, she will need to commit to a program. Personally, I prefer SMART. It is much more rational than AA.

The truth is that the vast majority of people who struggle with addiction must give up all recreational substances, or they eventually either end up back with their drug of choice, or equally bad off with another.

She will never achieve lasting sobriety until the costs of continuing truly outweigh the benefits of using in her mind. It's possible for people to make her more likely to get help by ending whatever ways they support her lifestyle.


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #21801715 - 06/13/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The best way to kick drugs is to go through the withdrawal, with or without medical attention (I'd say everyone needs medical attention but a lot won't do it; understandable) and then stay the fuck sober.


And old neighbor of mine, she was 68. She had been on methadone since the 70's. She had been addicted to China white back in the day.

She would go every two weeks and they'd send her home with 12 bottles of methadone. She had a little lock box and everything. She would always end up running out after 3-4 days and would spend the next week and a half sick as a dog until she went back. Or sometimes she would go to the ER.

don't substitute one drug for another, just to get off that one.


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #21805473 - 06/14/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
The best way to kick drugs is to go through the withdrawal, with or without medical attention (I'd say everyone needs medical attention but a lot won't do it; understandable) and then stay the fuck sober.


And old neighbor of mine, she was 68. She had been on methadone since the 70's. She had been addicted to China white back in the day.

She would go every two weeks and they'd send her home with 12 bottles of methadone. She had a little lock box and everything. She would always end up running out after 3-4 days and would spend the next week and a half sick as a dog until she went back. Or sometimes she would go to the ER.

don't substitute one drug for another, just to get off that one.




Substituting methadone or suboxone is a valid strategy for many opiate addicts. It does require diligence on the patient's part, or controlled dosing like a methadone clinic. Suboxone is typically better for this purpose because it is much less abusable that methadone. It's a valid treatment for a couple of reasons: One is that long term opiate use can cause damage to opiate receptors in the brain, essentially leading to a permanent deficiency in endorphins. Treating this with a partial agonist like Suboxone allows the patient's cravings to be largely satisfied without actually getting them high. Yes, Suboxone can get you high, but if somebody is on a proper maintenance dose, it won't be. This allows the damage done by artificially high levels of dopamine to heal. Many patients can take Suboxone or methadone for the rest of their lives and be perfectly fine, without it causing any further problems.

It may sound like trading one addiction for another, but the critical point is that the patient is not getting high, they're being stabilized, allowing other brain functions to return to normal.


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #21808717 - 06/14/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My thing is I may be taking this wrong but isn't the OP's friend pregnant? She stated prenatally, so she needs to get off the H as quick as possible and as

safe as possible if that is the case. I don't know for suboxone but I know methadone can so this for the user.


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #21809865 - 06/15/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, my friend has been addicted since she was conceived/her parents were addicts and she was born addicted, breast-fed, I think her mother tried to kill her with an OD but failed, too, and anyways, she was given heroin for the rest of her life. Now she's 23, still on it.

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One is that long term opiate use can cause damage to opiate receptors in the brain, essentially leading to a permanent deficiency in endorphins. Treating this with a partial agonist like Suboxone allows the patient's cravings to be largely satisfied without actually getting them high.




This is what I was wondering. My friend says she's on high doses all the time but doesn't feel them at all. The more she takes the more is she like other people with undamaged receptors. So going on a methadone treatment would mean she can't take more once a week or so/party --? Anyways I heard she's going to another therapist soon..


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21810705 - 06/15/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When going through methadone treatment you are drug tested and blood tested to check your levels so they can provide you with the amount you need. You can

party but you need to make sure you do it after your drug test. In all reality though your friend really needs to get over partying before she tries to kick

a habit.


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Re: Can my friend ever quit drugs? [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #21812031 - 06/15/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's dumb. Coming off of methadone or suboxone are some of the worst withdrawals in the entire world. Been there, lived it, done it. Go to the rooms. Only way I ever got sober and had this much time. (14 months)


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