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OfflineSupachopped719
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When should the police be allowed to shoot?
    #21791131 - 06/11/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So it seems there is a divide in the pub. Some people think the police are wrong in everything that they do no matter what. And some people think that some police are out of line some of the times, but that most times their actions  are justified.

So when should a cop be allowed to pull their weapon? When should they be allowed to shoot? It seems the biggest disagreement is where the line should be drawn between pulling the gun out and not pulling the gun out.

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=6f4_1372548151

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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Supachopped719] * 1
    #21791163 - 06/11/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Justified, he was holding a damn kid hostage. Deserved to get shot in the head. 
When someone is holding an immediate threat to someone elses life, it's usually justified.
Police in the US are out of lines a lot of the time. Killing children with BB guns, old men holding garden hoses, completely unarmed people, or people holding a fucking broomstick or pocket knife or pair of scissors or ipod.
Sometimes the people they kill deserved it and was completely justified. Sometimes it's an extreme reaction to something that could be solved with non lethal means. Sometimes it's just plain murder.
Police should only shoot to kill people when they hold an immediate threat over other peoples lives. A retard wielding a screwdriver isn't threatening the lives of 2 armed and trained police officers.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21791240 - 06/11/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Unarmed man executed on the street for "walking with purpose".
http://filmingcops.com/cop-shoots-unarmed-man-to-death-after-he-was-walking-with-a-purpose/

Not justified.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21791260 - 06/11/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Unarmed man executed on the street for "walking with purpose".
http://filmingcops.com/cop-shoots-unarmed-man-to-death-after-he-was-walking-with-a-purpose/

Not justified.



No that just proves women shouldn't be cops.:yeahthatsright:


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21791309 - 06/11/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The unfortunate truth is, there is no black and white in this answer. There is no mental checklist for prerequisites to justifiable lethal force. In some ways it's specific, but if you try to break it down to exact circumstances, it gets very cloudy, very fast.

They should be held to the same standards any regular citizen would be held to. That is a problem however. A justifiable shooting by an ordinary citizen usually only needs to show that they (or whoever they were defending) felt threatened with death or serious bodily harm. That could mean just about anything. Everything from someone pointing a gun at you or charging you with a blade, to them reaching into their waist band/pocket for a presumed gun or knife.

But the problem hasn't always been based on those facts. The problem has been that everyone just accepts their word for it. It's only recently now that focus on them and cameras have increased exponentially that all of this is coming to light with undeniable evidence.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21791687 - 06/11/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21791742 - 06/11/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Unarmed man executed on the street for "walking with purpose".
http://filmingcops.com/cop-shoots-unarmed-man-to-death-after-he-was-walking-with-a-purpose/

Not justified.




Completely unjustified.  She shot him from inside her car.  How could she possibly feel threatened from inside a squad car?


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21791757 - 06/11/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

arm everyone, even the children.  that's what i would do. :haha:


instead society votes to take our own rights away.  god what a bunch of fucking idiots.  like that is going to stop some lunatic from getting a weapon  All it does is make the innocent more vulnerable to their violence and unable to do anything when it happens again.  More people drop the longer it takes for a gunman to be stopped.  We will have to wait for the government to arrive.  Which is a win for the perp and a win for big bro.  NOT FOR US.  So stop voting to take our gun rights away you stupid morons.

crazy people dont give a hoot about jail or consequences, they are crazy.  If they're determined to kill people no retarded law is going to make them think "oh I better not, i might get in trouble."


:derp:

and who cares if people get shot by accident, it weeds out the stupid.  If a brother shoots a sibling, chances are that sibling was retarded.  It's fine.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: sprinkles] * 3
    #21791762 - 06/11/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

police should shoot MORE people.  Not less. 


These are stupid people who are getting shot, so stop pissing and moaning about it.  These arent nice church ladies on their way to go play bunko or anything.  Or the soccer mom on her way to Zumba.  These are dirtbags. 

Everyone is stupid but me.  I need to just die to get away from all this retardation.  Where is the mother ship for fucks sake.  Take me away. 


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: sprinkles]
    #21791875 - 06/11/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

whenever they want

cops have discretion. thats why they were given the job


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Bassfreak] * 1
    #21791903 - 06/11/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Whenever they feel like it, they wouldn't get to become cops if they didn't have self control and restraint and know when its absolutely necessary to use lethal force.

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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #21791909 - 06/11/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They're almost always justified, we only see the ones that are questionable because where is the interest in watching people continuously do only the right thing.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #21791936 - 06/11/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Whenever they feel like it, they wouldn't get to become cops if they didn't have self control and restraint and know when its absolutely necessary to use lethal force.

:trollhide:





do you know what discretion is?

cops have it. THEY decide when theyre allowed to shoot

it really is THAT simple


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21791942 - 06/11/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They're almost always justified, we only see the ones that are questionable because where is the interest in watching people continuously do only the right thing.





its the media being bitches


cops have to work every single day. the US is a big place with lots of people. believe it or not cops have to deal with this shit everyday

cops shooting at people isnt fucking new. what new is the media reporting on it and people freaking out cuz they dont understand what its like to be a cop. sometimes cops have to do their jobs. pretty crazy right?


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Bassfreak]
    #21791944 - 06/11/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, I've never heard of that in my life. Stop speaking Spanish.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Bassfreak]
    #21792101 - 06/11/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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They're almost always justified, we only see the ones that are questionable because where is the interest in watching people continuously do only the right thing.





its the media being bitches


cops have to work every single day. the US is a big place with lots of people. believe it or not cops have to deal with this shit everyday

cops shooting at people isnt fucking new. what new is the media reporting on it and people freaking out cuz they dont understand what its like to be a cop. sometimes cops have to do their jobs. pretty crazy right?




In a way it's the media being bitches, but really it's just a reflection of the society that watches it, they wouldn't be able to keep beating that dead horse if people weren't so willing to tune in and emotionally attach themselves to everything they see.

It shows more about society then it does the media. People have influence over what the media covers, the media covers what people are willing to watch, the media is dumbed down, because people are willing to be dumbed down.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21792110 - 06/11/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well its just stupid people watching then lol

cuz honestly who fucking cares if a cop shot someone? thats like getting pissed cuz the trash guy picked up your trash on trash day


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Bassfreak]
    #21792130 - 06/11/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

90% of people are normal and change the channel if they don't like something.

Unfortunately TV panders to the 10% who call in and bitch and think if they don't deem it acceptable then it shouldn't be shown.

It's undoubtedly the dumb people, and TV gets dumbed down for everyone because of it.

It's only going to get worse now that they are wearing body cams with video that gets released so everyone can contemplate their own opinion and judge a life they haven't lived.

I could only imagine I'd be an asshole if I was a cop especially when responding to assholes day in and day out with my life potentially on the line. And after your life bei ng threatened so many times I'd probably be short tempered and quick to be a dick to people because it it


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21792135 - 06/11/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the news sucks. and so does the media


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21792143 - 06/11/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Justified, he was holding a damn kid hostage. Deserved to get shot in the head. 
When someone is holding an immediate threat to someone elses life, it's usually justified.
Police in the US are out of lines a lot of the time. Killing children with BB guns, old men holding garden hoses, completely unarmed people, or people holding a fucking broomstick or pocket knife or pair of scissors or ipod.
Sometimes the people they kill deserved it and was completely justified. Sometimes it's an extreme reaction to something that could be solved with non lethal means. Sometimes it's just plain murder.
Police should only shoot to kill people when they hold an immediate threat over other peoples lives. A retard wielding a screwdriver isn't threatening the lives of 2 armed and trained police officers.



This exactly, well said, this is the truth.

Only is it justified to shoot, if someone is presenting an immediete life threat so another person.

Otherwise, its murder.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21792194 - 06/11/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I will preface this by stating that I worked around police for about 18 months.  I did not work in the office with them, but interacted with them regularly via the IT program I was an intern for.  My boss was a former police officer that switched careers after getting sick of seeing the "worst of society - day after day."  He warned me on day one not to get too opinionated with anything I heard officers say, and to try to understand how jaded they were, dealing with angry and upset people all day long.

So police are trained to escalate one level for the situation.  If the suspect is using fists, the police use a baton.  If the suspect has a knife, the police draw their weapon.  If the suspect has a gun, the police may open fire.

Police are also trained in unarmed combat.

Life has been devalued to the point where many feel that those who are beaten or killed by police deserve it.

Self-determination has been devalued so much that many feel that you should just do what the police say, regardless of whether you are engaging in criminal activity or not.

It is ironic that those on a forum dedicated to the cultivation and use of a schedule I substance, which facilitates enlightenment, is non-addictive and has never killed anyone, would defend our nation's laws and mores as "just."

We watch reality video on youtube and treat it as entertainment.  The other day, two white women break out into a full-on brawl in a Walmart, including a 6 year old child and encouraging him to beat join the fracas. And those women are both alive and presumably not in jail. Dozens of bystanders stood by and did nothing other than take video on their smart phones.  Not one would lift a finger to help. That's all over the internet, as entertainment.  It only makes sense then that sensational stories about police violence would stimulate one side or the other, depending on view, to start screaming at the internet. 

Here in Madison a recent HS graduate and unarmed black male was shot and killed by a police officer, who was found not-guilty of any wrongdoing by an internal investigation and no charges were pressed by the DA (a DA who is generally considered quite progressive).  I feel sorry that Chief Koval has to deal with this BS so early into his reign as chief, but hopefully it will also facilitate a change in the system. (Diogenes would say to not hold one's breath.)

(Here and there you see claims that the young man was on shrooms.  Until I see the toxicology report, I call bullshit.)

The fact that a police officer can kill another human being, especially when it's an innocent human being (where no wrongdoing was found on their part after an investigation), and keep his job... it's indicative of the sickness in our western society.  That ISIS exists and our top minds think we should bomb the shit out of them is indicative that our society is as a child.

Jacque Fresco claims he joined a KKK group and dissolved it within a month by challenging their thinking from within.  He did the same with a group of flat-earth thinkers in NYC back in the 20s or 30s.  He didn't even speak the same language as the group.

Don't fight the system, join the system and question why it is.  Change through challenging thought, not arguing opinion.  Lead with facts.  Anything less and you may as well be throwing your feces at passersby.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: sprinkles]
    #21792218 - 06/11/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh yes.  The police claim that Tony Robinson was on shrooms when he was shot.  He was such a dirtbag criminal. 

Why do you feel that the police only shoot dirtbag criminals? 

What makes a soccer mom a good person (because in my experience, they aren't)?

Do you have any evidence that suggests that police are actually good judges of character?


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Artex]
    #21792226 - 06/11/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When they're being shot at.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #21792234 - 06/11/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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How could she possibly feel threatened from inside a squad car?




Perhaps you should ask Darren Wilson.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Bassfreak]
    #21792249 - 06/11/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You believe that officers are given discretion merely by becoming police officers?

Is that a good thing?

Are you aware of the requirements beyond police academy to become a police officer?

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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Bassfreak]
    #21792273 - 06/11/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

dis·cre·tion
dəˈskreSH(ə)n/

the freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation.
"it is up to local authorities to use their discretion in setting the charges"
synonyms: choice, option, preference, disposition, volition

So now we all know what discretion means. 

Is there discretion training in police academy?

No, the police do not get the fucking discretion to kill whomever they want.  They are trained to follow rules of engagement.  They are officers of the people hired to PROTECT the people.  They are not judge, jury and executioner, and in order for our judicial system to work, you have to bring the fucking suspect in ALIVE.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 1
    #21792586 - 06/11/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They're almost always justified, we only see the ones that are questionable because where is the interest in watching people continuously do only the right thing.




Other countries - and even some departments in the US - do not have this problem; they are not killing people or even drawing their weapons on a regular basis. In this context, almost none of these killings are justified. You can be an effective officer and not have to threaten violence constantly. Cops need better training, better screening and there should be consequences when you take an innocent persons life.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21792851 - 06/11/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"Cops need better training, better screening and there should be consequences when you take an innocent persons life." In no way, shape, or form do I disagree with this. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your other part but I don't think it's so black and white, there is probably other factors involved in why that's the case. Are the citizens of those other countries allowed to own guns? And also are the departments that don't have that problem in the US in poverty stricken areas? I'm not asking to argue your point, just seeing if there actually is other factors to why that may be the case.

How do the police of other countries manage to take down people without even drawing their weapons (mainly talking about people who could potentially put their life at risk by having a gun or something else)


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 1
    #21792880 - 06/11/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think a lot of these cases end they way they do because the police escalate the danger of situations with their behavior instead of being a calming factor. They go barreling in, confusing people with their seemingly out of control and over the top approach.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21792893 - 06/11/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's a really good point, I can definitely see that being a huge factor.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Supachopped719] * 1
    #21792915 - 06/11/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When should the police be allowed to shoot?




They should have the same requirements to be able kill on the spot that a citizen who isn't a police officer has, which basically means almost never are they justified to shoot.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: DieCommie]
    #21792936 - 06/11/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The "war on drugs" is the catalyst that escalates the mentality of over-policing. 

The police don't make the laws and policing tactics, they are the pawns in the sick game of the drug war.

Decriminalize drug possession and the drug trade, and most of this stuff goes away.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21792941 - 06/11/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://discoverpolicing.org/what_does_take/?fa=training_academy_life

I found this link that's compiled average time spent in training on various skills at police academies in the US. I think I posted it in one of the many other thread about police violence, but it's more relevant here.

83% of police academies offer a median of 8 hrs of training in Mediation skills/conflict management (17% offer no mentionable training it seems), while  99% offer 60 hrs in firearms skills and 44 hours in self defense with 91% of academies offering 12 hours in non-lethal weapons. That's 116 hours of how to kill or disable somebody, and 8 hours of how not to have to (for only 83% of cops). It's no wonder these guys go to their guns first. They're mostly trained as thugs (with some baby lawyer training to keep them out of trouble).


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: qman]
    #21792964 - 06/11/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The "war on drugs" is the catalyst that escalates the mentality of over-policing. 

The police don't make the laws and policing tactics, they are the pawns in the sick game of the drug war.

Decriminalize drug possession and the drug trade, and most of this stuff goes away.




QFT, they have to follow the laws and deal with the people who break them, even if they were to disagree with them. Can't blame them for certain things they do especially when it comes to drugs, which is a majority of the prison population.


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    #21793000 - 06/11/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
The "war on drugs" is the catalyst that escalates the mentality of over-policing. 

The police don't make the laws and policing tactics, they are the pawns in the sick game of the drug war.

Decriminalize drug possession and the drug trade, and most of this stuff goes away.



Law enforcement is one of the largest and vocal lobbies fighting decriminalization.


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    #21793009 - 06/11/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
The "war on drugs" is the catalyst that escalates the mentality of over-policing. 

The police don't make the laws and policing tactics, they are the pawns in the sick game of the drug war.

Decriminalize drug possession and the drug trade, and most of this stuff goes away.




QFT, they have to follow the laws and deal with the people who break them, even if they were to disagree with them. Can't blame them for certain things they do especially when it comes to drugs, which is a majority of the prison population.




Guess who pushed for over-policing where Freddie Gray was arrested? 

http://news.yahoo.com/baltimore-prosecutors-had-asked-police-target-freddie-gray-152857136--business.html

"Baltimore prosecutors had asked for police to focus drug enforcement efforts on the corner where Freddie Gray was chased by officers"

"The request from State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby came about 3 weeks before Gray was arrested"

So the very same prosecutor who bashed the police about over-policing is the SAME person who ordered the over-policing which led to Freddie Gray's arrest and death!!!  :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21793020 - 06/11/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What part of law enforcement is fighting decriminalization? Are your talking about the DEA public relations clowns? Or are there larger organized groups?


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    #21793024 - 06/11/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The "war on drugs" is the catalyst that escalates the mentality of over-policing. 

The police don't make the laws and policing tactics, they are the pawns in the sick game of the drug war.

Decriminalize drug possession and the drug trade, and most of this stuff goes away.



Law enforcement is one of the largest and vocal lobbies fighting decriminalization.




Very true, they like job security.  They weren't the one's that lobbied and got the drug laws written.

The alcohol industry is also against legal marijuana, again their position is self serving, nothing more.


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    #21793051 - 06/11/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What part of law enforcement is fighting decriminalization? Are your talking about the DEA public relations clowns? Or are there larger organized groups?




Law Enforcement Organizations are the main opponents to legalization efforts.

http://rvanews.com/news/senator-calls-for-marijuana-decriminalization/121567
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The Senate Courts of Justice Committee on Wednesday killed a bill to decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana.

The committee voted 9-5 to “pass by indefinitely,” meaning Senate Bill 686, sponsored by Sen. Adam Ebbin, D-Alexandria, is dead for this legislative session. All of the Republicans on the panel voted in favor of that motion; all of the Democrats voted against it (the motion to pass the bill by, not the bill itself).

The vote came after 12 people spoke in support of the bill and eight spoke against it. The committee chairman, Sen. Mark D. Obenshain, R-Harrisonburg, limited each side to five minutes.

Opponents included Kevin Carroll of the Fraternal Order of Police, Thomas Bradshaw of the Virginia State Police and Craig Branch, chief of the Germanna Community College Police Department and president of the Virginia Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators. They cited problems caused by the decriminalization of marijuana in states like Colorado and Maryland and in Washington, D.C.




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    #21795562 - 06/12/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'd rather the police shottas learn a safer alternative to firing a head shot -or "kill shot" because officers are trained specifically to shoot first and question things later when the person in question can't respond.

Police should be allowed to shoot when nobody is looking,
The police officer who shot the drug dealer should be allowed to shoot confiscated hereorin.
corrupt enforcers of the law should have themselves shot in the dick before shooting somebody else. The purpose is to educate officers how shooting people to kill cancels out generations of our futures kids.

I wonder if there ever will be a cop who ends up having a so much regret once killing their victim - they take their own life ?


The police kill for their cause of protection and most of the time I don't see the threat unless a gun is pulled , car is being driven towards them , flame thrower, possibly a bow and arrow , .

honestly, I  think cops amplify the danger of their job as an attempt to justify their wrong doing., I do beleive being a cop is dangerous but not to the extent some people advocate just because people are afraid of the cops . Most people want to get the fuck away if the cops are near and the only reason a person wants to see a cop dead is because the kill or be killed mentality both cops Nd people on the streets life by.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21795690 - 06/12/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They cited problems caused by the decriminalization of marijuana in states like Colorado




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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Beanhead]
    #21795706 - 06/12/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When they're being shot at.




It absolutely sickens me when people on the shroomery think police should only fire their weapons if they are already being shot at or being attacked. If I were a cop going into crazy situations every day I would not hesitate to pull the trigger the moment I felt my life was in danger. Whether that be someone not obeying my commands or someone reaching in their pockets to grab something.

If you are not retarded and encounter the police you should be safe pretty much every single time. There are a few off cases here and there and that is the same for every country because police are not perfect either, however I give them major props for putting their lives in danger every day and dying on the job and receiving all this back lash from people typing on their keyboards who have never lived the life of a police officer.

A lot of people here are frankly major pussies who would never consider risking their lives for other people. Guess what, cops do that every day and are not willing to be passive and get shot at multiple times before attacking.

I get it, you hate the drug laws but the police do not make those laws they enforce them. The cop hating here is so fucking toxic and if you guys really are enlightened and open minded you would realize they are doing the job the way they were trained to do it and hundreds die every year to protect you. You never here about the dead cops who are selfless in their actions to enforce laws to make our society a better place. They have families too and it sickens me that I have read so many people here straight up wish death upon them.


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    #21795780 - 06/12/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If you are not retarded and encounter the police you should be safe pretty much every single time.





You live in Canada. The police there are different than in america

Out here, something as simple and seemingly friendly as waving at a cop can get you hassled


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    #21795801 - 06/12/15 01:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

UNJUSTIFIED  black man sits motionless in his car having a STROKE, gets tazed and peppersprayed profusely, threatened with gettinmg shot for being slow in getting out of his car.

Speaking of unjustified...





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    #21796489 - 06/12/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Police in Britain have fatally shot two people in the past three years. That’s less than the average number of people shot and killed by police every day in the United States.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/in-lightly-armed-britain-possible-answers-to-americas-wave-of-police-killings/2015/06/10/4940f696-0def-11e5-a0fe-dccfea4653ee_story.html

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LONDON — To join the few and the proud who police Britain’s streets with a gun, first you have to walk the beat unarmed for years.

Then there is the rigorous selection process — an unforgiving complement of fitness tests, psychological appraisals and marksmanship exams. Finally, there is the training, which involves endless drilling on even the most routine scenarios.




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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Artex]
    #21796662 - 06/12/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I will preface this by stating that I worked around police for about 18 months.  I did not work in the office with them, but interacted with them regularly via the IT program I was an intern for.  My boss was a former police officer that switched careers after getting sick of seeing the "worst of society - day after day."  He warned me on day one not to get too opinionated with anything I heard officers say, and to try to understand how jaded they were, dealing with angry and upset people all day long.

So police are trained to escalate one level for the situation.  If the suspect is using fists, the police use a baton.  If the suspect has a knife, the police draw their weapon.  If the suspect has a gun, the police may open fire.

Police are also trained in unarmed combat.





I'll only go after this load of horse shit because the rest is nonsense about
enlightenment and claims from some nutter so screw that.


cops arent trained to escalate only one level, that's complete bullshit, cop
are trained to stay alive, they're trained to use reasonable, justifiable force
which means that if you pull a weapon or attack them then they will escalate it
to the point that they avoid injury or death, that means if you pull a
screwdriver then they pull a gun and shoot you if that need arises. cops are
trained in a very basic self defense, just like soldier are, they arent trained
in unarmed or armed combat, that's years of training, anyone in martial arts
will tell you that

cops have the exact same rights when it comes to self defense that you and I
do, if someone attacks us and we have reasonable belief that we could suffer
bodily harm or death, we are allowed to use lethal force, if someone is making
a credible threat such as claiming they'll stab you while they're wielding a
weapon, again, we have the right to use lethal force and this shit is no
different than it is for the cops, why the fuck people think cops should be
held to a higher standard than what the average citizen is in the defense of
their own lives is beyond me


now why is it that everyone here is allowed to defend themselves but most here
say that the cops shouldnt have that same right, I ask this question in some
form or another in every one of these threads and to date, I have not received
a single answer to that question from the 'anti-brutality' bunch


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    #21796712 - 06/12/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Police in Britain have fatally shot two people in the past three years. That’s less than the average number of people shot and killed by police every day in the United States.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/in-lightly-armed-britain-possible-answers-to-americas-wave-of-police-killings/2015/06/10/4940f696-0def-11e5-a0fe-dccfea4653ee_story.html

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LONDON — To join the few and the proud who police Britain’s streets with a gun, first you have to walk the beat unarmed for years.

Then there is the rigorous selection process — an unforgiving complement of fitness tests, psychological appraisals and marksmanship exams. Finally, there is the training, which involves endless drilling on even the most routine scenarios.




Sounds like a plan.





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    #21796723 - 06/12/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why do British police kill people at a rate hundreds of times lower than American police?

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    #21796743 - 06/12/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Beanhead said:
When they're being shot at.




It absolutely sickens me when people on the shroomery think police should only fire their weapons if they are already being shot at or being attacked. If I were a cop going into crazy situations every day I would not hesitate to pull the trigger the moment I felt my life was in danger. Whether that be someone not obeying my commands or someone reaching in their pockets to grab something.

If you are not retarded and encounter the police you should be safe pretty much every single time. There are a few off cases here and there and that is the same for every country because police are not perfect either, however I give them major props for putting their lives in danger every day and dying on the job and receiving all this back lash from people typing on their keyboards who have never lived the life of a police officer.

A lot of people here are frankly major pussies who would never consider risking their lives for other people. Guess what, cops do that every day and are not willing to be passive and get shot at multiple times before attacking.

I get it, you hate the drug laws but the police do not make those laws they enforce them. The cop hating here is so fucking toxic and if you guys really are enlightened and open minded you would realize they are doing the job the way they were trained to do it and hundreds die every year to protect you. You never here about the dead cops who are selfless in their actions to enforce laws to make our society a better place. They have families too and it sickens me that I have read so many people here straight up wish death upon them.




This is logical thinking :thumbup:

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If you are not retarded and encounter the police you should be safe pretty much every single time.





You live in Canada. The police there are different than in america

Out here, something as simple and seemingly friendly as waving at a cop can get you hassled




This is illogical thinking :thumbdown:


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21796744 - 06/12/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

P.S. The cop who shot Tamir Rice? Probably getting charged with murder or reckless homicide.
http://rt.com/usa/266677-tamir-rice-murder-charge/

I'm hopefuly, at the very least... that more and more cops are being charged for their crimes lately. Hopefully this is a continuing trend.
Maybe they wont be so trigger happy when they are sharing bunks with the same guys whose lives they ruined.
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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
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They're almost always justified, we only see the ones that are questionable because where is the interest in watching people continuously do only the right thing.




Other countries - and even some departments in the US - do not have this problem






why exactly is that and how many other countries is this, I mean are we talking
every country other than the US? are we only talking about europe, are we merely
talking about 1 or 2 countries because as I recall, "other countries" have a far
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    #21796776 - 06/12/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You have to go pretty far down the list of countries before you get to counties that have more violent police officers


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P.S. The cop who shot Tamir Rice? Probably getting charged with murder or reckless homicide.
http://rt.com/usa/266677-tamir-rice-murder-charge/

I'm hopefuly, at the very least... that more and more cops are being charged for their crimes lately. Hopefully this is a continuing trend.
Maybe they wont be so trigger happy when they are sharing bunks with the same guys whose lives they ruined.
But no... they wouldn't stick them in gen pop.





Grand jury going to decide if charges are going to be happen, the judge "is only advisory and doesn't affect the separate grand jury investigation"

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-backs-charges-against-cleveland-officers-killing-tamir-rice-n373931


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    #21796798 - 06/12/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Like the Polzi of Germany,or rampant corrupt departments of Russia and Mexico.


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    #21796813 - 06/12/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why aren't Americans embarrassed that American police are best compared to the police of corrupt nations and police states and not civilized democracies


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    #21796834 - 06/12/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You have to go pretty far down the list of countries before you get to counties that have more violent police officers




We have a more violent population. 

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate

"US Violent crime- 18 times more than UK. "

The US isn't Germany, France, Canada, UK, or Japan.


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    #21796840 - 06/12/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not embarrassed about the police force. We have the top cops you could find. Are there bad apples, sure. It's just that Americans are largely spineless idiots who believe what ever is on TV. So a couple questionable isolated instances becomes every cop is a racist trigger happy killer.


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You have to go pretty far down the list of countries before you get to counties that have more violent police officers




We have a more violent population. 

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate

"US Violent crime- 18 times more than UK. "

The US isn't Germany, France, Canada, UK, or Japan.




18 times the violent crime... 1000+ times the police killings of civilians.... totally adds up!


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    #21796876 - 06/12/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lets be honest, the worst police force is in Japan. If a crime is reported and its not an easy open/shut, it doesn't get investigated. The idea being that's how they keep crime rates down. Like betting MortalKombat on easy setting. Its worse if the victim is raped or molested because talking about those topics is very taboo.

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    #21796897 - 06/12/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I say you're talking out of your ass on that one. I was in Japan last year and my chick is from Japan and has traveled the world, she hasn't seen any kind of police brutality and abuse of police power more than she has seen here.

Sure, Japan's system isn't perfect by any means, but they also don't kill the fuck out of their citizens. The cops there actually care about helping people and if you stop a random cop in the street and ask for help they will. If some mentally unstable guy goes crazy on with a samurai sword on the street, they aren't going to just pump him full of bullets if he hasn't hurt anyone, they will almost always first go to non-lethal methods of incapacitating someone unless they are are a serious immediate threat to someones life. Here, you can just walk down the street with a sword and you can consider yourself lucky as fuck if you don't get shot on first sight by a cop. Or, holding a rake in a "threatening manner" for that matter. Or having your hands in your pockets.

Yeah, the US certainly isn't Germany, France, Canada, UK, or Japan.... Cops in this country kill people on par with many third world countries with 10x the crime. So we are more closely related to 3rd world countries in that department.


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I say you're talking out of your ass on that one. I was in Japan last year and my chick is from Japan and has traveled the world, she hasn't seen any kind of police brutality and abuse of police power more than she has seen here.

Sure, Japan's system isn't perfect by any means, but they also don't kill the fuck out of their citizens. The cops there actually care about helping people and if you stop a random cop in the street and ask for help they will. If some mentally unstable guy goes crazy on with a samurai sword on the street, they aren't going to just pump him full of bullets if he hasn't hurt anyone, they will almost always first go to non-lethal methods of incapacitating someone unless they are are a serious immediate threat to someones life. Here, you can just walk down the street with a sword and you can consider yourself lucky as fuck if you don't get shot on first sight by a cop. Or, holding a rake in a "threatening manner" for that matter. Or having your hands in your pockets.

Yeah, the US certainly isn't Germany, France, Canada, UK, or Japan.... Cops in this country kill people on par with many third world countries with 10x the crime. So we are more closely related to 3rd world countries in that department.




I really don't think it's really fair to compare homogeneous countries with the US, this cultural diversity with the large economic inequality is a very bad combination for this country.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: qman]
    #21796948 - 06/12/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok then compare us to Britain which is more culturally diverse than the U.S. They still
Manage to have .1% of the number of police killings we have. :cookiemonster:


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    #21796967 - 06/12/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ok then compare us to Britain which is more culturally diverse than the U.S. They still
Manage to have .1% of the number of police killings we have. :cookiemonster:




"Britain which is more culturally diverse than the US"

:uhno:

Don't play semantics, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom

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    #21796985 - 06/12/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You should be explicit with your racism, and don't so that wink wink bullshit

You clearly have never been to Britain if you think it is a homogenous society.


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    #21797059 - 06/12/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not talking out my ass on Japan. Watch the documentary, its fascinating.


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You should be explicit with your racism, and don't so that wink wink bullshit

You clearly have never been to Britain if you think it is a homogenous society.




You stated the UK was more culturally diverse than the US, I showed otherwise.


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    #21797248 - 06/12/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, you showed me how many whites, Asians and black people there are in Britain. If you think all white people have the same culture, you would really enjoy Saudi Arabia.


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    #21797257 - 06/12/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

did you? i just saw some race statistics.  i mean isn't UK like.. a bunch of countries that warred with each other for milenia? 

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    #21797359 - 06/12/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No, you showed me how many whites, Asians and black people there are in Britain. If you think all white people have the same culture, you would really enjoy Saudi Arabia.




Our white population is much more diverse than the UK white population if we're going down that path. 

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    #21797427 - 06/12/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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myc_check1212 said:
It's just that Americans are largely spineless idiots who believe what ever is on TV.




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I'm not talking out my ass on Japan. Watch the documentary, its fascinating.




Says Americans believe anything on tv......uses documentary to back up claims.

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    #21797590 - 06/12/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Out of context. Freakanomics was about correlations of social policies and statistical effect, a dry read but very good documentary. Very simply put, stats will state X. An action or policy takes effect and the new result is Y. All about numbers thus no agenda to be pushed.

My spineless idiots comment was directed at those who watch alphabet soup network news or YouTube snippets and accept it as Gospel truth. Networks and tubers have agendas thus they put a spin on the coverage.

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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21799687 - 06/12/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Why do British police kill people at a rate hundreds of times lower than American police?

Answer: American police are trigger happy idiot pussies.





because british police have no guns, they have to wait for armed officers to
arrive while the death toll rises, the US also has a different criminal
culture than Britain has in addition to a much larger population


now ask yourself why a country that has no guns has so many shootings and a
dramatic increase in violent crime, ask why these statistics you want to
cite are not judged by the same measure, what constitutes a homicide in the
US doesnt in britain

for instance the claim "The last time a British officer was killed by a gun was
in 2012." is false, I know you didnt make it but it has been touted by the
media, in 2013 a cop was killed in england, several others were shot at, one
even blinded in one eye by a criminal with a home made gas powered gun, in the
last decade many were killed either by being shot, stabbed or bludgeoned while
trying to affect an arrest


why exactly do you think they disarmed the british cops? think maybe it's
because they'd actually try to defend themselves and probably shoot a suspect
instead of waiting to be stabbed, shot or beat to death and the pussy ass
liberal jackasses in english politics are more willing to let everyone become a
victim of crime than to deal with the bad press of a cop shooting someone and
it being questionable


isnt that the kind of bullshit you're seeking here


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    #21799729 - 06/12/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Sure, Japan's system isn't perfect by any means, but they also don't kill the fuck out of their citizens. The cops there actually care about helping people and if you stop a random cop in the street and ask for help they will. 






hahahaha.... sure thing Tojo. answer a few questions for us if japan cares so much


1. why does japan alter it's homicide statistics so that many of the murders are listed as suicides

2. how many people go missing each year in japan nd at what rate are they
recovered whether live or dead and when recovered dead, why is it never
listed as a homicide

cops get promotions and raises in japan based on low crime figures, that's not
a system that lends it's self to caring about people, it's a system that lends
it's self to corruption because the cops take pay offs from both sides of the
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    #21799990 - 06/12/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well guys, i'm way late to the party, but i wanted to respond to the OP.







this isn't a bad idea.  i mean, if it's good enough for the U.S. armed forces in Iraq, its good enough for the local PD right?


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    #21800008 - 06/12/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Artex said:
I will preface this by stating that I worked around police for about 18 months.  I did not work in the office with them, but interacted with them regularly via the IT program I was an intern for.  My boss was a former police officer that switched careers after getting sick of seeing the "worst of society - day after day."  He warned me on day one not to get too opinionated with anything I heard officers say, and to try to understand how jaded they were, dealing with angry and upset people all day long.

So police are trained to escalate one level for the situation.  If the suspect is using fists, the police use a baton.  If the suspect has a knife, the police draw their weapon.  If the suspect has a gun, the police may open fire.

Police are also trained in unarmed combat.





I'll only go after this load of horse shit because the rest is nonsense about
enlightenment and claims from some nutter so screw that.


cops arent trained to escalate only one level, that's complete bullshit, cop
are trained to stay alive, they're trained to use reasonable, justifiable force
which means that if you pull a weapon or attack them then they will escalate it
to the point that they avoid injury or death, that means if you pull a
screwdriver then they pull a gun and shoot you if that need arises. cops are
trained in a very basic self defense, just like soldier are, they arent trained
in unarmed or armed combat, that's years of training, anyone in martial arts
will tell you that

cops have the exact same rights when it comes to self defense that you and I
do, if someone attacks us and we have reasonable belief that we could suffer
bodily harm or death, we are allowed to use lethal force, if someone is making
a credible threat such as claiming they'll stab you while they're wielding a
weapon, again, we have the right to use lethal force and this shit is no
different than it is for the cops, why the fuck people think cops should be
held to a higher standard than what the average citizen is in the defense of
their own lives is beyond me


now why is it that everyone here is allowed to defend themselves but most here
say that the cops shouldnt have that same right, I ask this question in some
form or another in every one of these threads and to date, I have not received
a single answer to that question from the 'anti-brutality' bunch





Put a "civilian" (not a cop) in the shoes of the police in many of these controversial shootings and they would be getting locked up for murder. Hell people would be getting locked up for polce shootings that are never controversial enough to make anything outside local news. My outrage is about the police being held unaccountable for actions that would have me being fed to the birds.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21800223 - 06/12/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
Put a "civilian" (not a cop) in the shoes of the police in many of these controversial shootings and they would be getting locked up for murder.





that's bullshit, zimmerman was one of many hundreds if not thousands of cases
each year in which an civilian shoots an unarmed civilian, it's not plastered
all over the news in most instances, the few that make it are the ones in which
the media is pushing the anti gun agenda and when they're trying to push the
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My outrage is about the police being held unaccountable for actions that would have me being fed to the birds.





just because you dont want to believe they are being held accountable doesnt
mean you're right, the majority of shootings by cops are justified, sure there
are some that are questionable but you and I dont see what the investigators,
prosecutors, grand juries, juries and judges see, we have to rely on what the
media is telling us, we have to rely on the likes of shroomism and koods to
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    #21800277 - 06/13/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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171-300-0011 - Employ Progressive Levels of Individual Force When Confronting Civilians
Assessed the situation and, if possible, reported it immediately to your section/team leader. Isolated hostile civilians and used no more force than was necessary to control the situation.

Conditions: While securing a critical area or participating in a civil disturbance operation, you have been confronted by one or more hostile civilians. You may have crowd control equipment such as a riot baton, military police (MP) club, and mace. You may have been authorized to use crowd control materials such as a water hose or chemical gas.



Standards: Assessed the situation and, if possible, reported it immediately to your section/team leader. Isolated hostile civilians and used no more force than was necessary to control the situation.



Performance Steps

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          a.  Verbal.

          b.  Physical without weapons (touching, pushing).

          c.  Physical with weapons (rocks, clubs, spitting).

          d.  Physical with firearms shown.

          e.  Physical with firearms used.

  2.  Report the situation immediately to the section/team leader.

  3.  Isolate hostile civilian(s), if possible.

  4.  Employ no more force than is necessary to control the situation using graduated response measures.

          a.  Avoid confrontation if possible. Do not deliberately instigate, threaten, provoke, or bluff.

          b.  Speak sternly to the civilian and state the peaceful intent of your mission.

          c.  Tell the civilian to "STAND BACK" and warn him that you may have to use force.

          d.  If the civilian places his hands on your body, use your riot baton or MP club to brush back the civilian.

          e.  If the civilian attempts to inflict bodily harm, use any authorized materials (e.g., water hoses, chemical gases) to impede his movement.

            f.  Use your individual weapon in self-defense only and fire to wound or disable if possible.

  5.  Establish and maintain control of the situation.

          a.  Comply with the rules of engagement (ROE)/rules of interaction (ROI), any host-nation requirements, applicable international treaties and operational agreements.






again, i have to ask, if this is good enough for deployed soldiers, why should civilian PDs be held to a lesser standard?


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21800304 - 06/13/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

soldiers arent fucking cops. there's a huge difference and here you are talking
about further militarizing the police. you need the cops to stand around with
rifles strapped on and at the ready while screaming orders at you?


do you actually believe that's how an enemy engagement goes down in a war zone?


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    #21800312 - 06/13/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

exactly. if trained killers can be expected to do everything else before shooting a civilian,and fire a warning shot, and try for disabling shots when they do open fire, why shouldn't police be able to do the same?

nice edit.
Quote:

you need the cops to stand around with
rifles strapped on and at the ready




wait, what? soldiers arent even supposed to have a round chambered when their just standing around.


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    #21800364 - 06/13/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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well guys, i'm way late to the party, but i wanted to respond to the OP.







this isn't a bad idea.  i mean, if it's good enough for the U.S. armed forces in Iraq, its good enough for the local PD right?




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    #21800377 - 06/13/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
Put a "civilian" (not a cop) in the shoes of the police in many of these controversial shootings and they would be getting locked up for murder.





that's bullshit, zimmerman was one of many hundreds if not thousands of cases
each year in which an civilian shoots an unarmed civilian, it's not plastered
all over the news in most instances, the few that make it are the ones in which
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Quote:

My outrage is about the police being held unaccountable for actions that would have me being fed to the birds.





just because you dont want to believe they are being held accountable doesnt
mean you're right, the majority of shootings by cops are justified, sure there
are some that are questionable but you and I dont see what the investigators,
prosecutors, grand juries, juries and judges see, we have to rely on what the
media is telling us, we have to rely on the likes of shroomism and koods to
tell us that the cops are evil pieces of shit that murder everyone with impunity




Bullshit, there are plenty of news reports describing what prosecutors see... They see pressure from the police not to investigate thoroughly, not to question the actions and not to prosecute. When cops don't cooperate, prosecutor's cases fall apart.


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What it comes down to is there is a better way to do policing. Somebody needs to start making it happen.


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Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
Put a "civilian" (not a cop) in the shoes of the police in many of these controversial shootings and they would be getting locked up for murder.





that's bullshit, zimmerman was one of many hundreds if not thousands of cases
each year in which an civilian shoots an unarmed civilian, it's not plastered
all over the news in most instances, the few that make it are the ones in which
the media is pushing the anti gun agenda and when they're trying to push the
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links, that's how they're making money. news papers are all but gone and more
of these media outlets are moving to pay content to increase the cashflow



Quote:

My outrage is about the police being held unaccountable for actions that would have me being fed to the birds.





just because you dont want to believe they are being held accountable doesnt
mean you're right, the majority of shootings by cops are justified, sure there
are some that are questionable but you and I dont see what the investigators,
prosecutors, grand juries, juries and judges see, we have to rely on what the
media is telling us, we have to rely on the likes of shroomism and koods to
tell us that the cops are evil pieces of shit that murder everyone with impunity




Bullshit, there are plenty of news reports describing what prosecutors see...






do they publish all the evidence in the news paper, maybe you shouldnt try to mislead people


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21800404 - 06/13/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
What it comes down to is there is a better way to do policing. Somebody needs to start making it happen.





you plan on standing around with your thumb up your ass? Sheriff is an elected
position AND you get to call the shots, just think how many lives you could save
by telling cops not to carry guns when they serve warrants. marshmallows and
cotton balls are the only weapons at their disposal. no more drug raids

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well guys, i'm way late to the party, but i wanted to respond to the OP.







this isn't a bad idea.  i mean, if it's good enough for the U.S. armed forces in Iraq, its good enough for the local PD right?




Seriously, they never shot anyone. In a war.




he's talking about "local nationals" not "enemy combatants" (civilians, not soldiers)
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ballsalsa said:
Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:
well guys, i'm way late to the party, but i wanted to respond to the OP.







this isn't a bad idea.  i mean, if it's good enough for the U.S. armed forces in Iraq, its good enough for the local PD right?




Seriously, they never shot anyone. In a war.




he's talking about "local nationals" not "enemy combatants" (civilians, not soldiers)
the real point here is that warning shots work





how well did that work for micheal brown?


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how well did that work for micheal brown?




warning shots aren't aimed at the suspect...
i'm having trouble finding an account of officer wilson firing a warning shot of any kind, so maybe you could help me out with a source on that?


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how well did that work for micheal brown?




warning shots aren't aimed at the suspect...
i'm having trouble finding an account of officer wilson firing a warning shot of any kind, so maybe you could help me out with a source on that?





a shot to the hand is a pretty serious warning, sent him packing until he changed his mind and started charging at the cop


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    #21801994 - 06/13/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pris: I never said they weren't justified


If some nog assaulted me and then ran away and i dumped a magazine in his back from 30 feet away I'd be doing multiple life sentences for a hate crime

Or a more common circumstance for police shootings where a car is heading towards a cop (at a relatively low speed) and the cop dumps a mag into the driver instead of getting out of the way


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21802129 - 06/13/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
Pris: I never said they weren't justified


If some nog assaulted me and then ran away and i dumped a magazine in his back from 30 feet away I'd be doing multiple life sentences for a hate crime

Or a more common circumstance for police shootings where a car is heading towards a cop (at a relatively low speed) and the cop dumps a mag into the driver instead of getting out of the way




That's not a "common circumstance" for police shootings.  If someone is trying to inflict bodily harm with their vehicle, what do you think should be done?  I'm not saying firing a gun is the right response, but in some circumstances it would be justified.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: qman]
    #21802147 - 06/13/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
Pris: I never said they weren't justified


If some nog assaulted me and then ran away and i dumped a magazine in his back from 30 feet away I'd be doing multiple life sentences for a hate crime

Or a more common circumstance for police shootings where a car is heading towards a cop (at a relatively low speed) and the cop dumps a mag into the driver instead of getting out of the way




That's not a "common circumstance" for police shootings.  If someone is trying to inflict bodily harm with their vehicle, what do you think should be done?  I'm not saying firing a gun is the right response, but in some circumstances it would be justified.



I am not disagreeing with that. I am just saying that police get a away with a lot of stuff that would not be considered justifyable force for a regular person.
I think those types of shootings are relatively common. Definitely morose than getting shot in the back.

It's also not uncommon for unarmed people to get shot... good luck explaining that to a jury unless the guy was giving you a serious beating.

Police get away with shit I'd be facing a manslaughter or murder charge for all the fucking time.


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    #21802403 - 06/13/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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because british police have no guns, they have to wait for armed officers to
arrive while the death toll rises,




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    #21804964 - 06/14/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
because british police have no guns, they have to wait for armed officers to
arrive while the death toll rises,




:fatfear:




Yeah, yet somehow here in the US the death toll rises twice as fast.


I just read that NYC has paid out over a billion dollars for police misconduct lawsuits in the past five years. How anyone can sit back and not believe this is a crisis?


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21805720 - 06/14/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-arrests-decline-20150613-story.html?track=rss#page=1

What other employees would be allowed to get away with not doing their jobs because their feelings got hurt. Cops act like entitled children.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21806437 - 06/14/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Pris: I never said they weren't justified


If some nog assaulted me and then ran away and i dumped a magazine in his back from 30 feet away I'd be doing multiple life sentences for a hate crime




who was shot in the back from 30 feet away?


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    #21806438 - 06/14/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

Mad_Larkin said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
because british police have no guns, they have to wait for armed officers to
arrive while the death toll rises,




:fatfear:




Yeah, yet somehow here in the US the death toll rises twice as fast.


I just read that NYC has paid out over a billion dollars for police misconduct lawsuits in the past five years. How anyone can sit back and not believe this is a crisis?





is it because the US reports every homicide as a homicide while the brits dont
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    #21806446 - 06/14/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-arrests-decline-20150613-story.html?track=rss#page=1

What other employees would be allowed to get away with not doing their jobs because their feelings got hurt. Cops act like entitled children.






MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MINDS, DO YOU WANT LESS POLICE INTERVENTIONS INTO
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    #21806470 - 06/14/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Me? Less. I'm all for a minimalist government.

Imo, with a few exceptions, police should only be here to respond to calls when people need them.



The guy that got shot in the back... whoever that dude was that ran like he had cerebral palsy and got a taser planted on him


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    #21806496 - 06/14/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Me? Less. I'm all for a minimalist government.

Imo, with a few exceptions, police should only be here to respond to calls when people need them.






so the pool party that got raided, the guy that wouldnt drop his screwdriver,
the homeless guy in Az that refused to drop his knives and pretty much every
time that the cops show up and someone gets shot


Quote:

The guy that got shot in the back... whoever that dude was that ran like he had cerebral palsy and got a taser planted on him




so anything a cop does is apparently the wrong thing because we went from shot
in the back to tasers, that deescalated really fast



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    #21806699 - 06/14/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How about they just do their jobs properly. You know, stop arresting people without charges, killing innocent civilians, that kind of thing.

You don't seem to think there is even a problem here.



(And those numbers are the official number. As we now know, more than 50% of police killings are not reported as such to the FBI)

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koods said:
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Mad_Larkin said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
because british police have no guns, they have to wait for armed officers to
arrive while the death toll rises,




:fatfear:




Yeah, yet somehow here in the US the death toll rises twice as fast.


I just read that NYC has paid out over a billion dollars for police misconduct lawsuits in the past five years. How anyone can sit back and not believe this is a crisis?





is it because the US reports every homicide as a homicide while the brits dont
list justifiable killings as homicide... number juggling, FTW




That's just factually incorrect.

The FBI is lists murder and justifiable homicides on a separate table, It says so right on their fucking webpage. 

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide
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This section also includes information about justifiable homicide—certain willful killings that must be reported as justifiable or excusable. In the UCR Program, justifiable homicide is defined as and limited to:

The killing of a felon by a peace officer in the line of duty.
The killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen.
Because these killings are determined through law enforcement investigation to be justifiable, they are tabulated separately from murder and nonnegligent manslaughter. Justifiable homicide information can be found in Expanded Homicide Data Table 14, “Justifiable Homicide, by Weapon, Law Enforcement, 2009–2013” and Expanded Homicide Data Table 15, “Justifiable Homicide, by Weapon, Private Citizen, 2009–2013.”




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    #21806736 - 06/14/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
Me? Less. I'm all for a minimalist government.

Imo, with a few exceptions, police should only be here to respond to calls when people need them.






so the pool party that got raided, the guy that wouldnt drop his screwdriver,
the homeless guy in Az that refused to drop his knives and pretty much every
time that the cops show up and someone gets shot


Quote:

The guy that got shot in the back... whoever that dude was that ran like he had cerebral palsy and got a taser planted on him




so anything a cop does is apparently the wrong thing because we went from shot
in the back to tasers, that deescalated really fast






Where did I say everything the police do is wrong?

Pool party got raided 99% because someone called. A bunch of kids that obviously didn't live in the neighbor hood took over a private pool, I doubt cops just happened to be patrolling the neighborhood and were like "hey some black kids, let's go arrest them" I stand by the police on that one they were disobeying orders and acting like animals and two males were approaching the cop from his side while he was dealing with that girl, i'd have drawn my weapon too.

Guy with the screwdriver, he was close, things can happen fast, justified 100%. He was called there.

Not sure what you are talking about for the guy shot in the back but there is no way that was justified. He  was running away, doesn't matter what happened before that he was no longer a threat and was shot in the back from a decent distance. To top it off the cop walks over there and drops a taser to make it look like he had it on him when he was shot. Cop should face murder charges.

Homeless guy... that was murder. He was at a far enough distance that he wasn't an immediate threat and the police shot him because he didn't listen to them.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21806825 - 06/14/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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How about they just do their jobs properly. You know, stop arresting people without charges, killing innocent civilians, that kind of thing.





how many of those people are innocent?

now get in there and show them how the job should be done

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You don't seem to think there is even a problem here.






you seem to think it is a problem

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That's just factually incorrect.

The FBI is lists murder and justifiable homicides on a separate table, It says so right on their fucking webpage. 




are they not listed as homicides? maybe you can show us how the brits list them
but more importantly, show us the number of police shootings that were not
justifiable homicides


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    #21806874 - 06/14/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not sure what you are talking about for the guy shot in the back but there is no way that was justified. He  was running away,




I'm not the one that brought up someone being shot in the back, I brought up micheal brown

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doesn't matter what happened before that he was no longer a threat and was shot in the back from a decent distance. To top it off the cop walks over there and drops a taser to make it look like he had it on him when he was shot. Cop should face murder charges.




except he proved himself to be a danger to the public and you're basing this
shit off a from a short clip where the media is telling you what they want you
to believe, they arent telling you what happened because they dont fucking know

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Homeless guy... that was murder. He was at a far enough distance that he wasn't an immediate threat and the police shot him because he didn't listen to them.




see, the cops were called out because of some belligerent dickhead, he showed
this time and again in his encounter with the cops, he refused to drop the
weapons he was holding which left his as a continued threat, maybe you believe
it should have been handled differently like a dozen cops standing around
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    #21806929 - 06/14/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

From the same FBI document:

In 2013, the estimated number of murders in the nation was 14,196.

Murder is when you kill someone and it is not justified. The US murder rate and UK murder rate are comparing the same thing - murders.


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From the same FBI document:

In 2013, the estimated number of murders in the nation was 14,196.

Murder is when you kill someone and it is not justified. The US murder rate and UK murder rate are comparing the same thing - murders.





estimated number?

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luvdemboomers said:
Not sure what you are talking about for the guy shot in the back but there is no way that was justified. He  was running away,




I'm not the one that brought up someone being shot in the back, I brought up micheal brown

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doesn't matter what happened before that he was no longer a threat and was shot in the back from a decent distance. To top it off the cop walks over there and drops a taser to make it look like he had it on him when he was shot. Cop should face murder charges.




except he proved himself to be a danger to the public and you're basing this
shit off a from a short clip where the media is telling you what they want you
to believe, they arent telling you what happened because they dont fucking know

Quote:

Homeless guy... that was murder. He was at a far enough distance that he wasn't an immediate threat and the police shot him because he didn't listen to them.




see, the cops were called out because of some belligerent dickhead, he showed
this time and again in his encounter with the cops, he refused to drop the
weapons he was holding which left his as a continued threat, maybe you believe
it should have been handled differently like a dozen cops standing around
waiting him out, maybe you believe the cops should have just walked away



I don't see how bringing that up wasn't relevant. I say put a civilian in the shoes in many controversial shootings and they'd get locked up for murder. You say bullshit and talk about zimmerman and I give you an example of a shooting fitting the criteria I described. Do you seriously think if he assaulted me and started running away and I shot him in the back from a distance  "because he was a danger to the public" then dropped a taser next to him that I would not be getting charged?

He's a danger to the public because he is running away? That justifies killing him?

Yeah he was a belligerant dickhead but there are options that don't involve shooting him. Coulda used LTL weapons, start shooting the fucker with beanbags or rubber bullets he'd most likely drop the knife to get it to stop, pain is a strong motivator. If for whatever reason that didn't  work yeah they should have waited him out. He'd either surrender or attack the police in which case he would get shot anyways. The police weren't in immediate danger standing at a distance like they were with rifles pointed at him you saw how fast he dropped.



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    #21807010 - 06/14/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

koods said:
From the same FBI document:

In 2013, the estimated number of murders in the nation was 14,196.

Murder is when you kill someone and it is not justified. The US murder rate and UK murder rate are comparing the same thing - murders.





estimated number?

once more koods, how many police shootings were not justified shootings



Yeah. Estimated. Jesus Christ. Can't you just admit when you're wrong.

Police shootings.: Insufficient data. Reporting of that information is intentionally obscured. But, considering that Britain, Germany, Ireland and many other nations manage to go months or years without a police related homicide and still have a lower murder rate than the US proves almost none of the US shootings were necessary. The cops in the US are an embarrassment.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21807229 - 06/14/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When the suspect is shooting, or about to be, and the suspect is becoming dangerously close with a stabbing weapon to officers or civilians.


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Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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koods said:
From the same FBI document:

In 2013, the estimated number of murders in the nation was 14,196.

Murder is when you kill someone and it is not justified. The US murder rate and UK murder rate are comparing the same thing - murders.





estimated number?

once more koods, how many police shootings were not justified shootings



Yeah. Estimated. Jesus Christ. Can't you just admit when you're wrong.

Police shootings.: Insufficient data. Reporting of that information is intentionally obscured. But, considering that Britain, Germany, Ireland and many other nations manage to go months or years without a police related homicide and still have a lower murder rate than the US proves almost none of the US shootings were necessary. The cops in the US are an embarrassment.





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    #21809060 - 06/15/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

none of the police shootings were justified, they shouldn't have guns, and to protect the innocent from crazy people they should have to cover themselves in industrial adhesive and throw themselves at the criminals.  I'm not even kidding, i dont trust the police with guns. 


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once more koods, how many police shootings were not justified shootings




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    #21809590 - 06/15/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

While koods continues to ignore the question, some stats to ponder.

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Between 2002 and 2008, about 5.3 million fewer residents
had face-to-face contact with police, down to an estimated
40.0 million from 45.3 million.




http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf


2008 police killings = 23

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States_prior_to_2009#2008


So the percentage of killings is 0.000000575

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In 2008 the population of the US was 304,000,000.

Percent killed by police?

0.000000007565


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In 2008 the population of the US was 304,000,000.

Percent killed by police?

0.000000007565





You pulled that out of your ass, recalculate that. That aint even an attempt at credible math. You're one of our community elders, be responsible for what you teach.

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Using Wikipedia's numbers for 2014:

Police killings = 623

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2014

US population  = 318,000,000

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    #21809626 - 06/15/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You pulled that out of your ass, recalculate that




I pulled it out of a calculator. If there's a math error, kindly demonstrate it.

23 killed of a population of 308,000,000


As for your link... so what? We've had very few terrorist attacks and millions of police interactions. And of those killed by police, most were deemed justifiable.


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    #21809633 - 06/15/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your first estimate was over three orders of magnitude off. Thats missing the mark by over a thousand times.

If they had done that at the Castle Bravo test we would be living in a nuclear winter now.

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    #21809639 - 06/15/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So show your math. I acknowledge my math skills are quite rusty.


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    #21809642 - 06/15/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Using Wikipedia's numbers for 2014:

Police killings = 623

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2014

US population  = 318,000,000

Percentage of population killed = 0.0000001959





Thats the US population killed in ONE YEAR not lifetime.

You said however:

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In 2008 the population of the US was 304,000,000.

Percent killed by police?

0.000000007565





Notice a slight discreprancy in the number of zeroes behind the dot?

Don't try to slip a quicky past me. I can read back and read your words closely because I take you seriously.


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    #21809649 - 06/15/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Using Wikipedia's numbers for 2014:

Police killings = 623

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2014

US population  = 318,000,000

Percentage of population killed = 0.0000001959





Thats the US population killed in ONE YEAR not lifetime.

You said however:

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luvdemshrooms said:
In 2008 the population of the US was 304,000,000.

Percent killed by police?

0.000000007565





Notice a slight discreprancy in the number of zeroes behind the dot?

Don't try to slip a quicky past me. I can read back and read your words closely because I take you seriously.





Like I said, my math skills are quite rusty. So lets accept your numbers, shall we?

23 out of 308,000,000 is not a number for great concern by rational people.

As for "slip a quicky", grow up. I already said my math skills are rusty.


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    #21809658 - 06/15/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Of course, I'm still waiting to see your numbers.


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    #21809667 - 06/15/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

While your doing your numbers kindly note that in quoting my posts you've included 2008 and 2014.

Perhaps you give your reading abilities too much credit. Or are you trying to "slip a quicky"?


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    #21809675 - 06/15/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Umm.. theres hundreds of people killed by the cops each year. I read somewhere it was over 900 in a recent year and is on the increase. You said over 600.

Theres three hundred and umph million people in the US so thats 2-3 people per million, or about 1 in 300,000-500,000 annually.

Lets take your number, six hundred and umph so two in a million.

Thats 0.0002%

See that? No calculator just my head and a number that is mindblowingly larger than either number you came up with.

Your math was wrong, my initial math was wrong too, its even way bigger bullshit than a thousandfold off the mark.

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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Asante]
    #21809720 - 06/15/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, you got me to re-figure.

308,000,000 population in 2008.
23 killed by police.
308,000,000 - 0.0000075% = 23.1

318,000,000 population in 2014.
623 killed by police.
318,000,000 - 0.000196% = 623.28

Not exact math, but close enough.

Still the numbers are miniscule.


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    #21809728 - 06/15/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Umm.. theres hundreds of people killed by the cops each year. I read somewhere it was over 900 in a recent year and is on the increase.




Wikipedia says 623. That's nowhere near "over 900"


Quote:

You said over 600.




No, Wikipedia did. The link was provided previously but here it is again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2014


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    #21809970 - 06/15/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Asante said:
You pulled that out of your ass, recalculate that




I pulled it out of a calculator. If there's a math error, kindly demonstrate it.

23 killed of a population of 308,000,000


As for your link... so what? We've had very few terrorist attacks and millions of police interactions. And of those killed by police, most were deemed justifiable.




Where do you get these absurd numbers? There have been nearly 10,000 people killed by police in the past decade. The official number s over 3000 and that only includes killings actually reported to the FBI. A majority of police departments do not report to the FBI.


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    #21809989 - 06/15/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Where do you get these absurd numbers?.




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    #21809990 - 06/15/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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2008 police killings = 23




Quote:

Using Wikipedia's numbers for 2014:

Police killings = 623




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Quote:

Asante said:
Umm.. theres hundreds of people killed by the cops each year. I read somewhere it was over 900 in a recent year and is on the increase.




Wikipedia says 623. That's nowhere near "over 900"


Quote:

You said over 600.




No, Wikipedia did. The link was provided previously but here it is again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2014





I see 1104 names here just for 2014 Go ahead and count em and check the references.


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    #21810939 - 06/15/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Asante said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Umm.. theres hundreds of people killed by the cops each year. I read somewhere it was over 900 in a recent year and is on the increase.




Wikipedia says 623. That's nowhere near "over 900"


Quote:

You said over 600.




No, Wikipedia did. The link was provided previously but here it is again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2014





I see 1104 names here just for 2014 Go ahead and count em and check the references.




Oh no! Two different sources have two different numbers!

Someone who isn't afraid of them should call the police to report this heinous crime against humanity.


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    #21810967 - 06/15/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your jokes arent deflecting attention away from the fact that you at first said 23. Thats how many the cops kill in a week.

Saying 23 for a year is a severe disconnect from reality. Not to mention an initial percentage of police kills smaller than the number of people on the planet.

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    #21811008 - 06/15/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What about thousands of the violent assaults, robbery, rapes, and murders in US cities?    That's where the real shit goes down.  Lets just talk about bad cops and ignore the 99.9% of violent acts.

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    #21811093 - 06/15/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The cops are giving the criminals a good run for their money.


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    #21811140 - 06/15/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What about thousands of the violent assaults, robbery, rapes, and murders in US cities?    That's where the real shit goes down.  Lets just talk about bad cops and ignore the 99.9% of violent acts.

http://lawstreetmedia.com/fbi-uniform-crime-report-2013/




This would be like me trying to justify rape by saying it happens all the time.


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    #21811155 - 06/15/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Your jokes arent deflecting attention away from the fact that you at first said 23. Thats how many the cops kill in a week.

Saying 23 for a year is a severe disconnect from reality. Not to mention an initial percentage of police kills smaller than the number of people on the planet.

Your math is severely off. Whatever you are in this discussion for, its not for the facts.




:lmafo:
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The site I linked to said 23. Get over it. I already said my math sucked and provided correct numbers when it was pointed out.

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    #21811179 - 06/15/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Quote:

qman said:
What about thousands of the violent assaults, robbery, rapes, and murders in US cities?    That's where the real shit goes down.  Lets just talk about bad cops and ignore the 99.9% of violent acts.

http://lawstreetmedia.com/fbi-uniform-crime-report-2013/




This would be like me trying to justify rape by saying it happens all the time.




No, it's acknowledging the fact that the vast majority of violent acts are not committed by cops, it's called putting the debate into a proper perspective.  Guess who kills blacks more than any other demographic?  Black males.


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    #21811184 - 06/15/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Guess whose job it actually is to uphold the law? Cops.


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    #21811201 - 06/15/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Guess whose job it actually is to uphold the law? Cops.




Guess who typically does. Cops.


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    #21811208 - 06/15/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Guess who shouldnt be able to get away with murder? Cops.


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    #21811256 - 06/15/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Guess who shouldnt be able to get away with murder? Cops Anyone.




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    #21811274 - 06/15/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Guess whose bored of this conversation? :awesome:


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    #21811287 - 06/15/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Guess whose bored of this conversation? :awesome:




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    #21811307 - 06/15/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I dont know...I didnt come prepared with a prize..cant the prize be just walking away and not participating in blowing this up into another 400 page cop thread? Not a single posters ever changed their stance in any of these exchanges :lol:


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    #21811322 - 06/15/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What about thousands of the violent assaults, robbery, rapes, and murders in US cities?    That's where the real shit goes down.  Lets just talk about bad cops and ignore the 99.9% of violent acts.

http://lawstreetmedia.com/fbi-uniform-crime-report-2013/




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I dont know...I didnt come prepared with a prize..cant the prize be just walking away and not participating in blowing this up into another 400 page cop thread? Not a single posters ever changed their stance in any of these exchanges :lol:




No. I want an actual prize.

I've seen posters change their positions when the facts are pointed out, just not the positions of cop haters.


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    #21811330 - 06/15/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

qman said:
What about thousands of the violent assaults, robbery, rapes, and murders in US cities?    That's where the real shit goes down.  Lets just talk about bad cops and ignore the 99.9% of violent acts.

http://lawstreetmedia.com/fbi-uniform-crime-report-2013/




More people are killed by the police than are killed during robberies :themoreyouknow:




How many of the killings committed during robberies were deemed justifiable?

How many of the killings by cops were?


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    #21811333 - 06/15/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ill send you a dick pic, autographed. Koods can vouch for its aesthetic caliber.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21811341 - 06/15/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I said a prize. An object resembling a used toothpick doesn't qualify.


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Re: When should the police be allowed to shoot? [Re: koods]
    #21811368 - 06/15/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
More people are killed by the police than are killed during robberies




In 2013 there were 297,608 robberies involving a weapon in the US.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/251914/number-of-robberies-in-the-us-by-weapon/

How many 10's of millions police interactions were there?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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