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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: Swami]
    #2179357 - 12/15/03 01:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

its because of the war on drugs.

you knew that, so why'd you bother asking?


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: Swami]
    #2179507 - 12/15/03 02:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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If you think that we are the worst then you are again mistaken.

Apparently you have the pandemic reading comprehension problem. "Largest percent of population in prison" ACTUALLY means "largest percent of population in prison". Hard to grasp, I know. This is fact and not opinion.





Your question was "Are Americans more evil?" .


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2179761 - 12/15/03 04:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

God, this is a retarded post. As everyone knows it is because of the WOD, not because we are inherently evil. :rolleyes:

We all agree the drug laws suck. Unfortunately the majority of the population does not agree with us, so we have the current drug laws we have.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: shakta]
    #2179774 - 12/15/03 04:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i would argue that the majority consensus means that at least the majority is more evil...and not only drugwise either..they seem to have bought the whole neocon bridge too...


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: Swami]
    #2179788 - 12/15/03 04:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i don't think it's being more evil. most people that support the drug laws really think that it's better for the whole of society... you know... the 'whole individual rights come second to the good of the collective' idea.  :smirk:

there are the misinformed, the intolerant, the self-rightous, the gullible, the stupid... finally way down on the list somewhere are the truly evil.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: ]
    #2179797 - 12/15/03 04:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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i don't think it's being more evil. most people that support the drug laws really think that it's better for the whole of society... you know... the 'whole individual rights come second to the good of the collective' idea.




You would think the socialists on this board would understand that. :laugh:


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: Swami]
    #2179802 - 12/15/03 04:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Reasons for our high prison population:

1. Highest violent crime rate in the world

2. Unjust drug laws

3. Prison industrial complex(Prison is big business)

4. Politicians constantly trying to appear "tough of crime"

5. Death penalty fails to act as deterrent


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: shakta]
    #2179808 - 12/15/03 04:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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i don't think it's being more evil. most people that support the drug laws really think that it's better for the whole of society... you know... the 'whole individual rights come second to the good of the collective' idea.




You would think the socialists on this board would understand that. :laugh:



That might be a valid socialist position if it were true, but the fact is that drug laws harm society more than they help it.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2179832 - 12/15/03 04:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I agree. The words fact and socialist position don't go together very well usually.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: shakta]
    #2179855 - 12/15/03 04:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Socialism is a political and economic philosophy. It's a way of approaching things. The facts are neutral to political philosophy.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2179865 - 12/15/03 04:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I disagree, but I don't want us to completely hijack a thread on my first day back on the board.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2179893 - 12/15/03 04:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

but the fact is that drug laws harm society more than they help it.

kindof like socialist economic "reforms".


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: ]
    #2179901 - 12/15/03 04:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's debatable.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: ]
    #2179938 - 12/15/03 04:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Are americans more evil?.. I think most of the posters on this site have agreed that its due largely to our WOD that americans have such elevated prison populations. This aside, all who live in the USA know its laws, or atleast the basics. I, as i think all those on this site do, enjoy the presence of drugs in my life and would like the laws of this country to be more conducive to my lifestyle. However, I consider this to be the best country in the world to be a citezen of. If i wanted to leave and go to a country with different drug laws i could do so very easily. However, the USA is what i would want in a country in most aspects. I think the quality of life here is far superior to that found in any other country. I find having to watch my back when doing drugs much more appealing than the worries i could see myself having in many other countries. Our government is run by people as are all others and like all other people government officials can be corrupt. On the whole i am proud of this country and my status as a citezen. I realize there are injustices but i think the good out weighs the bad and thats why i still live here.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: Swami]
    #2179940 - 12/15/03 04:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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However, I believe that about half the prison population poses no danger to the general public and that their incarceration serves no purpose other than that of government control.




damn, SWAMI, you should post in here more often. Kind of nice agreeing with you for a change.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2179962 - 12/15/03 05:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

welfare-

to pay for welfare, you are taking money away from one person and giving it to someone else. had that money not been forcefully seized, it would have been spent on something. it would have paid for something. it would have paid for someone else's paycheck, not someone's welfare check. you create and then subsidize unemployment & poverty this way. it is not a solution.

minimum wages-

this has been a topic of debate in the past and i really don't know why. it's quite simple: anyone who's labor is worth less than the minimum wage will not be hired. unemployment. employers don't have a choice to pay less than the minimum wage, but they do have a choice to fire or to not hire someone who isn't worth that much to them.

i can't really do this justice right now... i've got alot of work to do and i've got to get going. maybe i'll pick up later.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: ]
    #2179985 - 12/15/03 05:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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welfare-

to pay for welfare, you are taking money away from one person and giving it to someone else. had that money not been forcefully seized, it would have been spent on something. it would have paid for something. it would have paid for someone else's paycheck, not someone's welfare check. you create and then subsidize unemployment & poverty this way. it is not a solution.



Ah, so welfare is the reason why there's poverty. I see now. Guess those people who lived through the Great Depression were all just a bunch of lazy freeloaders.

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minimum wages-

this has been a topic of debate in the past and i really don't know why. it's quite simple: anyone who's labor is worth less than the minimum wage will not be hired. unemployment. employers don't have a choice to pay less than the minimum wage, but they do have a choice to fire or to not hire someone who isn't worth that much to them.



By paying someone minimum wage, an employer's basically saying, "If I could pay you less, I would." Having worked at a minimum wage job myself, I can't imagine someone surviving off of less than that.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2180007 - 12/15/03 05:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Swami, I knew that guy from osawatomie, kansas on your list. It blows my mind.


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2180047 - 12/15/03 05:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ah, so welfare is the reason why there's poverty.

did i say that?

poverty exists because some people are not capable or willing of producing enough wealth. this is caused by many things, welfare being only one of them.

every time a tax dollar is taken, there is one less dollar to be spent on something.... one less dollar paid for something. there is less production and less employment. it's not the fault of the people on welfare. maybe they could find honest work if someone had money to pay for their services, but the ones who would have cannot afford to because they're taxed to pay for welfare programs instead. i hope the meaning of what i'm trying to say here isn't lost in what i recognize is an oversimplification. the principles are still applicable.

By paying someone minimum wage, an employer's basically saying, "If I could pay you less, I would." Having worked at a minimum wage job myself, I can't imagine someone surviving off of less than that.

here's a question: how do you think the minimum wage should be determined?


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Re: Are Americans more evil? [Re: Swami]
    #2180060 - 12/15/03 05:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Swami said:
Having the largest percent of population in prison in history can mean only 1 of 2 things no matter your political standing. You choose:

1. Americans today are inherently more evil.

2. Our laws are unreasonably oppressive and unjust.




3. Americans today are inherently more good.

Hell, look at all the bad people locked away! makes me feel safe just thinking about it... :tongue:


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