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Cognitive_Shift
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hahhahahahahhaha you're crackin' me up dude. You're troll skills are on point!
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zappaisgod
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musiclover420 said: WE Will, just like those before us have and those that follow after will.
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zappaisgod said: There is no wisdom in a chemical.
so I take it you are the deciding factor of what is and isn't wisdom and where it can be found?
and you guys are making fun of Asante, seems to me like you are the ones who are full of themselves here...
I am not making fun of Asante. I think he is crazy but I do not mock him.
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Stonehenge
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You don't get wisdom from a drug or from an experience in life. However, experiences including drugs can cause you to look at life in a different way leading to insights. Its not the drug directly leads to insights or wisdom, its how you use it. Does a car lead to a better life or to a quick death? Depends on how you use it.
People get stuck into patterns in their lives and often never get past those patterns until something comes along to jolt them out of it.
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zappaisgod
horrid asshole


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Bitter Cactus said:
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zappaisgod said: If it comes from a drug adventure and not sober reflection I would call it bullshit. Sorry but I think mushrooms and their ilk are for fun. There is no wisdom in a chemical.

Exactly. IMO you gain wisdom from life experience, you know, by actually doing stuff. These people who take mushrooms and suddenly become know it alls are the absolute worst and for me that includes Asante. Psychedelics are the most egocentric class of drugs ever. Most of their users think they are gaining divine knowledge of the universe and God by taking them but they don't understand they are hallucinating and are under the influence of a drug.
Take psychedelics for fun and to see cool colors and to have messed up thoughts that after words you realize are completely ridiculous. Don't take psychedelics so seriously and realize that sure you might gain some insight into yourself about your life but otherwise you need to realize you know fuck all and taking drugs doesn't make you have any more knowledge about the world or universe then the next guy. If you want to know more about the universe talk to a fucking scientist.
Seriously though, the insight people get from psychedelics is often completely false and complete bullshit. These are called delusions. Some things can be true but often once you go really deep into the rabbit whole your thoughts start to make less and less sense. After a certain point you do become the schizophrenic hobo talking about angels and demons which is what I think will happen to Asante.
At the end of the day taking these drugs to get these amazing ideas is just another rationalization to get high. Classic addict behavior.
Second best post ever on the Shroomery only surpassed by the one quoted. I will make one slight exception. These dingbats actually do believe they are seeking and achieving some kind of higher knowledge so it isn't all just an excuse to get high. It is just delusion.
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The Doobie Dude


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#21790196 - 06/10/15 08:22 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
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zappaisgod said: If it comes from a drug adventure and not sober reflection I would call it bullshit. Sorry but I think mushrooms and their ilk are for fun. There is no wisdom in a chemical.

Exactly. IMO you gain wisdom from life experience, you know, by actually doing stuff. These people who take mushrooms and suddenly become know it alls are the absolute worst and for me that includes Asante. Psychedelics are the most egocentric class of drugs ever. Most of their users think they are gaining divine knowledge of the universe and God by taking them but they don't understand they are hallucinating and are under the influence of a drug.
Take psychedelics for fun and to see cool colors and to have messed up thoughts that after words you realize are completely ridiculous. Don't take psychedelics so seriously and realize that sure you might gain some insight into yourself about your life but otherwise you need to realize you know fuck all and taking drugs doesn't make you have any more knowledge about the world or universe then the next guy. If you want to know more about the universe talk to a fucking scientist.
Seriously though, the insight people get from psychedelics is often completely false and complete bullshit. These are called delusions. Some things can be true but often once you go really deep into the rabbit whole your thoughts start to make less and less sense. After a certain point you do become the schizophrenic hobo talking about angels and demons which is what I think will happen to Asante.
At the end of the day taking these drugs to get these amazing ideas is just another rationalization to get high. Classic addict behavior.
Second best post ever on the Shroomery only surpassed by the one quoted. I will make one slight exception. These dingbats actually do believe they are seeking and achieving some kind of higher knowledge so it isn't all just an excuse to get high. It is just delusion.
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propensity
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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: zappaisgod]
#21790197 - 06/10/15 08:22 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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Well, we can try to lead a horse to water but it'll still bash its own brains in with a rock.
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Stonehenge
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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: propensity]
#21790466 - 06/10/15 09:14 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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propensity said: Well, we can try to lead a horse to water but it'll still bash its own brains in with a rock.
Lol, and the guy talking about know it alls is telling us he knows it all about drugs. The value of what asante found will be measured in how well he can integrate the new found insights into his everyday life and have them make a difference for the better.
All insights are good, either because they bring understanding or help us adapt. But even revelations that are 100% true need to be worked with before you really bring them into some sort of reality. If not integrated, they can fade away.
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BayerPhi
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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: Stonehenge]
#21790563 - 06/10/15 09:38 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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Wow. Much Bitterness. Very Cynical. Such Doubt. 
I see where Bitter Cactus, and zappaisgod are coming from.. they do have some justification in their reasoning. So I ask this just out of my curiosity..
If this message came to Asante by strictly mediation, sweeping the floors of the Temple, and through applied practice - Would you be more receptive to his message then? Yes? No? Maybe? Why, or why not?
Also, if Asante were a scientist, would that fact help in further supporting his message? Or would it become quackery?
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The Doobie Dude


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: BayerPhi] 2
#21790626 - 06/10/15 09:51 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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If through meditation I would be more inclined to believe it yes.
If he were a scientist he would not think MXE is the answer
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BayerPhi
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The Doobie Dude said: If through meditation I would be more inclined to believe it yes.
If he were a scientist he would not think MXE is the answer
Ok. I agree. Though his use of MXE is/was excessive he did use it as a tool: a sort of "message bringer" if you will, and not as an answer. I'm basing that off of having read his many Journal entries off of MXE. Other than that it is all anecdotal. I also agree that if one begins to see Psychedelics and Dissociatives as the answer instead of a messenger of a sort for one to think critical on; then it is easy to slip into delusional thinking or beliefs.
He has the Experimenter's spirit in him, just not the Engineers' Analytical Methods that calls for preciseness. Which is where guys like you, and I should come in. I'm just not one to fight battles where there are no winners; I don't see Black and White here. Just Gradients of Grey and Colors. I support the reasoning you guys are trying to portray, but please critique instead of criticize.
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The Doobie Dude


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: BayerPhi] 1
#21790712 - 06/10/15 10:16 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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I can appreciate your view. Very wise indeed. I like you man. Only thing I disagree with is using drugs as a tool. He used them to get high and let them fool him imo
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twighead
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The Doobie Dude said: If through meditation I would be more inclined to believe it yes.
If he were a scientist he would not think MXE is the answer
Both practitioners of meditation and science thoroughly agree ... Permaban Doobie Dude 2015 is the answer
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Bitter Cactus
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The Doobie Dude said: I can appreciate your view. Very wise indeed. I like you man. Only thing I disagree with is using drugs as a tool. He used them to get high and let them fool him imo
Using drugs as a "tool" is such a rationalization. #addictbehaviors
I use drugs as a tool to get high.
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BayerPhi
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Bitter Cactus said:
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The Doobie Dude said: I can appreciate your view. Very wise indeed. I like you man. Only thing I disagree with is using drugs as a tool. He used them to get high and let them fool him imo
Using drugs as a "tool" is such a rationalization. #addictbehaviors
I use drugs as a tool to get high.
Anything man puts his hands on becomes a tool or a weapon. It's how he chooses to use what he has that makes the difference. Rationalization is trying to justify his choice in which he refuses to accept the question that whether he has made the right choice, or that there could possibly be better alternatives. Does the substance control you? Or do you control it?
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propensity
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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: twighead] 1
#21791014 - 06/10/15 11:43 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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twighead said:
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The Doobie Dude said: If through meditation I would be more inclined to believe it yes.
If he were a scientist he would not think MXE is the answer
Both practitioners of meditation and science thoroughly agree ... Permaban Doobie Dude 2015 is the answer
Oh, doobie dude. Life must be difficult for you.
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The Doobie Dude


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: propensity]
#21791037 - 06/10/15 11:50 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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Nah its quiet easy. White middle class waiter, where did I ever say it was hard?
Whats it like bein a scrawny virgin though? Cause that must be difficult on you
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propensity
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Haha, you think it has to do with your job.
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The Doobie Dude


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: propensity]
#21791080 - 06/11/15 12:00 AM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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I mean maintaining a B average at the best communications program in the state of NY means i must clearly be dumb. Hows your personal life doing man sounds like you got some backed up frustrations if you catch my drift. You need a rub and tug?
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propensity
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Keep melting Doobie Lewd!
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The Doobie Dude


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Re: Guys.. I found IT. Wish me luck. [Re: propensity]
#21791097 - 06/11/15 12:04 AM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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Hahaha so I do better in school then you, make more money then you, and have a better personal life then you so you run out of stuff to say? That is what you resort to? I would never melt to someone so below me. I pity you though man I hope you get better maybe just one more acid tab will enlighten you
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