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maddchef
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Walmart wbs
#21789635 - 06/10/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyone especially in the SE use the red and white economy mix wbs from Walmart? If so have you had any issues with it lately? Trying to narrow something down.
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mushmagic
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Don't live in the SE but I beleive I may have tried the same brand and if it was the same thing, it looked fine and began to colonize to the size of a dime and then every last one stalled completely for some reason..
Like I said tho I'm not positive if it was the same kind tho. Did it contain wheat berrys?
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maddchef
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Yes. I noticed recently they started added cracked corn in the mix too.
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Yo bro, what up? SE here.
I used to exclusively use economy mix, switched to rye/wheat berries when I moved (still in the SE), and am now switching back to WBS temporarily; I picked up a bag a few months back and PC'd a few jars and colonized 'em (with pans I think) and didn't have any problem with this batch; however I did notice that this batch seemed especially "dried out"...
What are you trying to narrow down???
ninja edit:
Is it the cracked corn thing?
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mushmagic
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Yea It may be the same thing then and if that's the case it defnitely didn't work out for me..
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maddchef
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I believe that particular wbs to be nasty as all get out and loaded with endospres. I've got the relevant thread "breakthrough" real close.
Just trying to see if anyone else noticed anything or if its just me
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oh! ha! fuck endospores, that's why I pressure cook 'em
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maddchef
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Yeah I have been too for an extended cycle and they still pop up.
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That Walmart birdseed is the dirtiest I ever tried.
Frank seemed to like it though.
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I live in the SE and went to four big stores, including WallyWorld, but none had decent wbs for mycology use. Finally wound up buying a small bag from a nearby dollar store. It looked like crap but worked OK.
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Rye is getting close to being back in season & it should be pretty similarly priced to bird seed.
Whole foods always has super clean rye as well but it's more pricey $$
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maddchef
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Swazey, dirty as in bacterial load or dirty as in dust, sticks, and random fingers?
Glad to hear I'm at least somewhat vindicated
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ive used pennington finch seed from walmart for the last 12 years. it works perfect. its dirty but a little rinse goes a long way. it has cracked corn, bean chunks, red and white millet, rye berry, black sunflower seed, the occasional dried cherry, random rocks, sometimes wood or sticks, bird beak sharpening small bits of rock. just pour off the floaters when you prep it. none of the ingredients have ever caused me any issues. it may be that your not rinsing it enough.
it ends up costing me .37 cents a pound. cheapest grain i can find within 5 minutes. 
im not sure how your prepping the grain but adding a dash of pickling lime or gypsum during your prep always helps. are you soaking this grain or preparing it some other way?
when i prep mine i use Fooman's Grain Tek
the only difference is that i put a dash of pickling lime in the water before i put the seed in and let it sit for 30 minutes. then pour off and strain for 20 minutes. then pc for an hour boom 2 hours and i have grain cooling.
look at how dirty this shit is. so dirty you can get a clean culture off of it. you can work with dirty, you just use some little tricks to clean it easier. the lime/gypsum gets the gunk off the grain. once you rinse it out after, its very clean.
    
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Dirty like sludge after rinsing & soaking.
Yea Pennington brand is what I'm talking about!
I'm pretty anal about my grain though..
I use the organic stuff so I don't have to rinse it
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maddchef
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This isn't even Pennington's. It just says "economy mix" on it in a red and white bag. No brand name, nothing lol
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oh crap man. next time try the pennington. you can get 40lb bags of it for 10-15$.
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Yeah that's what frank used.
I opened it in the store & said nope lol
+1 on the gypsum & yard lime.. That stuff works magic on wbs!
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I think I'm going to run oats for a while. They just seem cleaner and neater. Plus if I run out of food.....
I'm betting that economy mix is the shit at the bottom of the pile that has been rained on, left out in the sun, rats digging through it, etc so maybe I will fare better with oats.
Especially since they seem to prep on the drier side it can't hurt where bacteria is concerned.
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Juiceh
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The red & white bag economy mix at walmart is pennington. I've used it before, no issues.
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maddchef
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Re: Walmart wbs [Re: Juiceh]
#21790635 - 06/10/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No way. Then why do they have a Pennington bag the same size for x amount more next to it with the same ingredients?
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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no gravel? I started out on economy wbs and never had an issue with it;
I would like to note though, the batches of wbs I started out with (years ago) would germinate if left setting out too long, this batch I'm getting into now looks and feels like wbs that I've tried before that wouldn't germinate, "dried out"... but I dunno if that has anything to do with your problems
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maddchef
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Yeah no clue. Kinda a moot point since I'm moving away from it but I'm curious about it.
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maddchef said: No way. Then why do they have a Pennington bag the same size for x amount more next to it with the same ingredients?
Dunno, usually when I see the red & white bags the store doesn't have the more obviously labeled pennington bags. I have seen them both in the same store before and bought both. They are very similar, but the clearly labeled pennington bag seems to have more of those smaller yellow seeds in it. I wanna say the white & red bagged seeds had a slightly darker appearance too after processing. I may have a couple grain qt blanks laying around that show the difference. May have knocked them up already, I'll dig through the inventory tonight to check.
Both the economy mix and the clearly labeled penningtons have a few bits of cracked corn in it. It's not listed in the ingredient list and the count is insignificant, I just pick em out if I see em.
There is also tiny gravel in both bags, I think more in the clearly labeled bags. These were removed from the clearly labeled bags.

Edited by Juiceh (06/11/15 06:55 AM)
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Re: Walmart wbs [Re: Juiceh]
#21792025 - 06/11/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The red economy mix worked ok for me, but for an extra $2-3 per bag the Pennington Classic was a better buy.
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I used economy mix last year. This year I found an open bag at walmart and noticed a lot of corn so went with Pennington's.
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maddchef
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Yeah seems they recently starting adding cracked corn which makes for a fucking sludgy mess.
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ah fuck, you just reminded me!; last time I had to wash my seed with dish soap, fuck/
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maddchef said: I think I'm going to run oats for a while. They just seem cleaner and neater. Plus if I run out of food.....
I'm betting that economy mix is the shit at the bottom of the pile that has been rained on, left out in the sun, rats digging through it, etc so maybe I will fare better with oats.
Especially since they seem to prep on the drier side it can't hurt where bacteria is concerned.
You will probably really like the oats. I think they are kickass.
They are fairly clean compared to most WBS and prep extremely easy.
After using bulk oats I will never go back to WBS. A lot cheaper in my area as well.
50# for $15 @ the farm store.....
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ive used pennington finch seed from walmart for the last 12 years.
I tried that stuff recent. It was so damn sticky no matter how much I rinsed it 
Since we're on the subject I saw some sunflower seed only WBS (no shells) at Walmart, anyone ever try that?
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Re: Walmart wbs [Re: Kizzle]
#21792670 - 06/11/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seems like seeds by themselves would get mushy too easily
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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oily too?
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I've seen the sunflower seed bags at walmart. Sometimes that all they have. Its not hulled, it still has the black outer shell. I've never tried it. But I have used the floater sunflower seeds from WBS in a separate batch and they worked just fine. So, I imagine that the bags of sunflower seeds would work also. They are a bit tricky to soak since they want to float. After a day of soaking you will have cobweb on the surface floaters and even some sprouters. Still works fine after a bringing to a hard boil and straining. If you stir them every once in a while when they are soaking that would cut down the cobweb, but it really doesn't seem to matter.
I did a comparison thread in the edible section with king oysters. The experiment got fucked due to a big temperature fluctuation in my grow. But from the experiment I gathered that sunflower seeds are a viable option if that's all you got.
Edited by Juiceh (06/11/15 01:18 PM)
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Re: Walmart wbs [Re: Juiceh]
#21793200 - 06/11/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I've been recycling my floaters lately too. I know the hulled seeds at least will colonize just fine and jars with lots of sunflower seeds seem to be as productive as those with fewer. I guess my main concern is that the fat content is so much higher than what's commonly used for spawn. Not sure if that could have could some kind of negative effect particularly when the hull has been removed.
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Re: Walmart wbs [Re: Kizzle]
#21793262 - 06/11/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Yeah I've been recycling my floaters lately too. I know the hulled seeds at least will colonize just fine and jars with lots of sunflower seeds seem to be as productive as those with fewer. I guess my main concern is that the fat content is so much higher than what's commonly used for spawn. Not sure if that could have could some kind of negative effect particularly when the hull has been removed.
I have 2 jars full of sunflower seeds I plan to spawn and directly compare to my WBS spawn with the same LC.
Trying to decide if i want to throw them out or keep them.
I only use the WBS from walmart
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Re: Walmart wbs [Re: Kizzle]
#21793804 - 06/11/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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MikeBearPig said: Trying to decide if i want to throw them out or keep them.
Keep em. You paid for em and they work.
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Kizzle said: Yeah I've been recycling my floaters lately too. I know the hulled seeds at least will colonize just fine and jars with lots of sunflower seeds seem to be as productive as those with fewer. I guess my main concern is that the fat content is so much higher than what's commonly used for spawn. Not sure if that could have could some kind of negative effect particularly when the hull has been removed.
I dunno how I missed that you said you found them without the hulls in the previous post. It would be an interesting experiment, you should do it for the shroomery! Every once in a while i spot an unhulled sunflower seed in my wbs. They colonized just fine, but a whole jar of them I dunno.
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Re: Walmart wbs [Re: Juiceh]
#21793857 - 06/11/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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the red and white bird seed bags from walmart is great and cheap. rinse it a few times soak and pc. ive used rye etc but it was so damn convinent just to pick up a few 40lb bags from wally world. and if you PC properly endospores dont matter in the least bit
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Re: Walmart wbs [Re: Kizzle]
#21794327 - 06/11/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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ive used pennington finch seed from walmart for the last 12 years.
I tried that stuff recent. It was so damn sticky no matter how much I rinsed it 
Since we're on the subject I saw some sunflower seed only WBS (no shells) at Walmart, anyone ever try that?
nope. won't either. have you tried adding a dash of lime or gypsum to the soak? also strainers make a big difference. if i use these two with the holes. it causes me moisture issues as the water gets trapped.
 
the mesh strainers make all the difference.

when i hear things like its sticky no matter what i did. it could be the prep. its possible it was over prepped. maybe over steeped or cooked.
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yes if it was sticky, i would think it was over cooked. which has happend to me a few times when i wasnt paying attention.
ive had 0 qualms with the cheap stuff at wal mart
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Yep that's the exact same WBS I was referring to and it didn't work out so well for me. Who knows tho, maybe it was a fluke or something else was at play
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I tried some dish soap to no avail. It was sticky before the simmer, was literally sticking to my hands and everything. Relatively speaking it was that bad. I've used much worse.
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I've used it. It did have cracked corn in it, but it was not an issue and even colonized.
I used Fooman/Violet WBS prep. Basically dumped in boiling water, returned to a boil, then left to sit for an hour and drained. Leave lids on <5qt pots, off on >5qt pots.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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I was about to buy the sunflower seeds but decided to try this instead. They look about same as the sunflower seeds hearts but never head of anyone trying safflower seeds.
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