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Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace
    #21789013 - 06/10/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm still afraid to do it, but it's really nice to know that the Silk Road bust didn't stop other dark web sites from operating.  I'm glad this thing is still thriving.  I guess it's not going anywhere? 






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Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace

By Jeff Stone @JeffStone500 j.stone@ibtimes.com on June 10 2015 12:20 PM EDT

Your drug dealer is moving to the dark Web. That part of the Internet, inaccessible to standard Web browsers and made famous (or infamous) by the Silk Road marketplace, has essentially become a shopping district for addicts around the world.

That's according to the 2015 Global Drug Survey, which polled 100,000 people and found a growing number are buying illegal drugs online through clandestine marketplaces that trade in bitcoins. Of those polled, 23 percent said they bought drugs online for the first time in 2014. That's up from 13 percent a year ago.

This increase comes despite the October 2013 shutdown of the Silk Road drug marketplace and the very public arrest of founder Ross Ulbricht, who was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on May 29.

But the Silk Road website was merely the tip of an iceberg. A rotating cast of 25 or so hidden markets now fill that void, connecting buyers and sellers who transact in bitcoins to create a kind of dystopian eBay. They're only accessible through the Tor anonymity software, which gives anyone anywhere in the world access to the deep Web, the vast unindexed section of the Internet that's home to legal and illegal Web listings.

MDMA, LSD and marijuana are the most popular, in that order, according to the survey. Users also report that drugs sold online are often more pure than the substances they purchase from a street dealer. Customers pay less, experience less physical violence and far fewer threats to their personal safety. But their anonymity also makes it difficult for friends or family members to intervene in a case of addiction, and there's a much higher risk of getting ripped off.

The 2015 Global Drug Survey was led by Dr. Adam Wintock, an addiction psychiatrist at King's College London. The graphic below compares the number of users who reported online drug purchases (shown in blue) to users buying from an alternative or traditional source (shown in red).

Sweden, Poland, Norway, Denmark and the United Kingdom, respectively, reported the most drug buyers. The United States came in sixth place, with 11.2 percent of those polled admitting to buying drugs from an online source. Of American dark Web respondents, 8 percent said they purchased drugs online in the past year, and another 3.2 percent said they did so before 2014 began but had not since.

Fewer than 1 percent of the reported 100,000 respondents cited law enforcement as the reason they no longer purchase drugs via the Internet. When the Silk Road prosecution submitted a sentencing request in the Ulbricht case, they asked Judge Katherine Forrest to “send a message” to the dark Web ecosystem by sentencing Ulbricht to more than the mandatory minimum of 20 years. The survey figures were collected months before Ulbricht's trial, but the 1 percent figure shows that the message is not being heard.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #21789057 - 06/10/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Now hopefully THEY GET THE MESSAGE :lol:


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21789178 - 06/10/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm also still afraid, I managed to get everything down to the tee but when it came to making my first purchase I couldn't pull the trigger.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Mescalitoe] * 1
    #21789265 - 06/10/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What part of it has you worried? Are you going to order to your home address?

If you read up enough I am fairly certain you can order stuff and if done right deny it if anything were to even happen. Since they can't prove you ordered it.

Unless they already were tracking you in which case you already are fucked probably.

If you do something like check the tracking a bunch or some shit they can connect it to you but if done right you ca deny everything.

I still haven't taken to time to work everything out but if I had I would probably just order some quasi legal stuff like MXE to test.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21789497 - 06/10/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Shopping district for addicts around the world. :rolleyes:

Yeah, because you need to be an addict to use a substance.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #21789542 - 06/10/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I caught that BS line too.

Obviously they are just buthurt they can't tax that shit and will lose money as people stop using taxed vices as much.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21789758 - 06/10/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm surprised that the US came in at #6 for most reported online drug purchases. Figured it would have ranked much higher. Do you suppose its due to more availability with substances on the street or just a flaw in their data gathering?


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: musiclover420]
    #21790207 - 06/10/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
Now hopefully THEY GET THE MESSAGE :lol:




Well said.





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musiclover420 said:
What part of it has you worried? Are you going to order to your home address?

If you read up enough I am fairly certain you can order stuff and if done right deny it if anything were to even happen. Since they can't prove you ordered it.

Unless they already were tracking you in which case you already are fucked probably.

If you do something like check the tracking a bunch or some shit they can connect it to you but if done right you ca deny everything.




Hmm, what you say sounds legit.  It really would be hard to prove that you ordered it. 

Anyone else think that sounds right?














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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #21790463 - 06/10/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks :smile: and that was just some stuff I read.

Seems pretty unlikely for them to even find out about most orders too, and I have even hard of people just receiving warning letters :shrug:

I am still hesitant myself though, partly just becouse of the efforts involved.

One day though I really want to get on it, just to try some exotic stuff.

Nice 5 too :lol: I have seen bills like that at festivals.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Detached]
    #21790675 - 06/10/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Detached said:
I'm surprised that the US came in at #6 for most reported online drug purchases. Figured it would have ranked much higher. Do you suppose its due to more availability with substances on the street or just a flaw in their data gathering?




Legit US vendors are hard to come by.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21790698 - 06/10/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Darknet market sellers?

Pretty sure plenty of those ship to and from the US :lol:


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: musiclover420]
    #21790747 - 06/10/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Legit ones that aren't likely to have an exit scam are hard to come by IME.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: 36fuckin5] * 2
    #21790761 - 06/10/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The SR didn't scare me one bit. The LE was only really interested in the guys selling the drugs, not the people buying. I would happily buy over and over and over again with no hesitation whatsoever. I used Tor, I used PGP, and I don't look at tracking numbers due to the irony of them. Looking at a tracking number logs your IP for that package. If you are a buyer, especially a 1 time buyer, you aren't even on the radar.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Stargate]
    #21790772 - 06/10/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Drugs were sold through the mail before SR, they'll be sold in the mail after SR.


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If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more.

Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: 36fuckin5] * 1
    #21790863 - 06/10/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Last I checked Agora was still going strong, I am sure there are others as well.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21790908 - 06/10/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There seems to be quite a few, I've noticed. The feds are going to play Whack-a-Mole, taking one site down and having two pop up afterwards. A delicious waste of man-power on the Fed's part, methinks.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21790999 - 06/10/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah it is irony at its best.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21791076 - 06/10/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It warms the cockles of my evil black heart. :evil:


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21791404 - 06/11/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

On one side darknet markets shouldn't be mentioned in public, and especially not written articles about

on the other side it is a good thing...

using gpg, encrypting your adr etc. you can deny everything even if a pallet of cocaine shows up at your door

no wait, officer, someone ordered drugz yo say ?


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21791798 - 06/11/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

musiclover420 said:
Now hopefully THEY GET THE MESSAGE :lol:





They get it, but they don't give a shit. Because if they did, all the donut-consuming abominations out there would be jobless.

They're going to take all of this down until something else they can't understand pops up. Same crap since the dawn of time.


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There seems to be quite a few, I've noticed. The feds are going to play Whack-a-Mole, taking one site down and having two pop up afterwards. A delicious waste of man-power on the Fed's part, methinks.




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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: WingedWatcher]
    #21792187 - 06/11/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Too easy for vendors to lie and rip people off. Personally I say screw the Dark Net. I've had people recommend vendors to me after hearing my rip off story saying, "THIS guy is totally legit. Great ratings, never screwed me."

My response?

"That's the exact guy who screwed me."

Selective scamming is equal to any other kind of scamming, i.e. fuck that guy.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #21792867 - 06/11/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But is it set up to where you can rate a vendor like on EBay so that you can hurt their rating if they rip you off?  It should be like that. 

Just out of curiosity, do they have kilos of cocaine for sale?  If so, how much are they?  If not, what is the largest amount you can buy?  Again, I don't do or deal cocaine, but I'm curious.















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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #21792934 - 06/11/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, you can hurt their ratings, but I bet the ratio of rip off to good deal is something like 200 or 500:1. So lots of people swearing it's legit, and then you see the one guy complaining and everyone thinks he's just some hard to please asshole.

Plus, who knows how easy it is to get fake ratings, probably not really hard.

I never looked into coke :lol: seemed like a bad idea. Really the whole enterprise seems like a bad idea, but something like acid which has no smell and can easily be concealed, I could see ordering that. But I had a buddy who got some hash one time and it came in like a children's toy box, but it smelled straight up like hash, like, not even opened. I feel like he was very lucky he didn't get busted with that.

It was some good ass hash though.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #21794864 - 06/11/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It was some good ass hash though.




Gross


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: today mylove]
    #21795854 - 06/12/15 02:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know several who have gotten legit goods from such places

But also one who got some hash that was like concrete and had plastic pieces in it... lol

Don't be stupid and buy hash online, I would never do that

Fake hash can kill people...

It is interesting that the Silkroad founder got life in prison now, he helped spread LSD cheaply to the world, a 28 year old physics student with a major in physics

The gov focuses on crimes without victims, or tries to justify themselves by creating virtual victims

It seemed like 95%+ of Silkroad users were very satisfied with what they got, and often that the drugs were much more pure than on the street; cocaine was like 60-90% or such don't quite remember, but on the street it may be 8%


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: lessismore]
    #21796274 - 06/12/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

He was hardly harmless. He put a hit out on someone.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #21796517 - 06/12/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Are you sure?

"yes it was all in the text and that is what the judge said!!!" - the gov is my friend
that's why physics students who have gone 20 years to school get life in prison for an innocent marketplace , not even selling lsd

or why people go into jail for life for selling LSD - a harmless chemical that has improved the world several times

(pickard and also one more..)

or why people go into jail for life for weed sometimes - get murdered by the gov for weed (in some countries)


Edited by lessismore (06/12/15 09:24 AM)


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: lessismore]
    #21796537 - 06/12/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

btw you complain that people got ripped of on SR, people get ripped off IRL too and get assaulted for buying drugs

I know one who got ripped off too, but next time he got the best stuff ever

so it seems he got ripped off 1 time out of 20 times or so, and it was his own mistake, releasing funds from escrow


Online drug markets are the drug user's best friend in todays world, no proof, higher quality, no jail time possible if you do what you should, guaranteed your items (you only release escrow after tasting the product)

Better than any other form of drug trading, and also better than ebay - because the market is anonymous

So you can sell anything. Except guns and child porn - things that hurt others directly. There are certain things banned.


It's anarchistic without being too anarchistic, not hurtful to society, but society choses to look at it like it is hurtful. It minds its own business, it doesn't degenerate the economy - because as far as now people only want drugs it seems.

Had they traded services like installing toilets for people, plumbing for people, making food for people for free - that would be much worse, no taxes, tax excemption

Drugs are not tax excemption, I believe one day we will see truly free drugs. One day when society is ready.
http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/Drugs/HAC03.htm

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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: lessismore]
    #21796551 - 06/12/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Are you sure he didn't? If you think someone was opportunistic and money oriented as Stephen Ulbricht wouldn't do something like that, maybe you need to check out your perspective. It's possible that he didn't and it was a set up. Kinda doubt it.

It's not like this dude was family or something, he was a dude who saw an opportunity to make a lot of money. He was motivated by greed. Generally people like that aren't the friendliest.

Agree to disagree about IRL vrs. Dark Net, I've had very few negative experiences buying in person, pretty much everything I;ve ever got off the internet has been dissapointing in some way, just too easy to rip someone off.

And if you think there is zero risk involved you are kidding yourself.

But neither of us will change the other's mind, so yeah.... Peace.


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #21796574 - 06/12/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Motivated by greed?

Have you even read what that guy posted almost daily

About freedom...

He built a market place to make people trade freely, but I suppose any argument from me is meaningless, you will see it opposite to me apparently, for some reason

I just know 3 people are in jail for LSD for life now, pickard, another guy, and this guy
they found many hits of lsd at his place iirc

He often spoke about freedom and how one should be able to put into his body what one wants

He also was very active on facebook speaking about freedom it seems
"the power of now"
"be here now"

and a few other things on his facebook page

law of attraction works in many things, I can just look at a picture of the guy and tell he didn't hire a hitman, that's all I need
or look at the words he wrote online as DPR (dread pirate roberts)

it wasn't words of an evil anarchist, or greedy man


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Re: Dark Net Drug Sales Using Bitcoins Are Booming After Fall Of Silk Road Marketplace [Re: lessismore] * 2
    #21799280 - 06/12/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

SR was a good thing, the feds are evil and they put on a mask and label people criminals to hide it. Why do the feds think they're above us? Why is there a federal government that gets to be above all? If everyone is equal and this land is free than why are there people that feel they have the right to invade our homes and kill our children? I believe the U.S is a country built on greed & lies and they use there systems to control, its obvious that the drug war isn't working but it's working for them because they have control.


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