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ken57345
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Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives
#21787812 - 06/10/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I want to grow some San Pedro. Not to consume, but for decorative purposes. After all, it would take me a year to grow enough to consume. Why go through the work just to eat it when I could buy it online to consume if that's what I wanted it for.
Having said that, in growing San Pedro, I can foresee some issues. The first is that I don't want anyone stealing my cacti. The second is that I have a lot of nosy neighbors.
You know how when you buy a plant, cacti, etc., for places like Home Depot, Lowes, etc., they come with those little identification plastic pieces, well what I would like to do is get one of those plastic identification things with some type of cacti that:
1)looks very similar to San Pedro 2)Is common in the U.S. as a decorative type of cacti 3)Is a non psychoactive containing species
After getting those identification label things I plan to put them in my San Pedro clay pots with my San Pedro so that nosy neighbors and/or potential thieves think that they are not something worth steeling or drug related.
I'm not looking for random comments on this, but recommendations from those with great experience on different cacti species
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: ken57345]
#21787957 - 06/10/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Buy a cereus peruvianus. It's not exactly the same but would deter would be thieves.
Why don't you put them in the backyard? I mean you are gonna buy a similar cactus so they can steal that instead just save yourself the trouble and buy your pedro and put it out of sight. Sucks you got hide shit in your own home.
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: ferrel_human]
#21788088 - 06/10/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you ferrel_human! I will look into cereus peruvianus. The issue is that I don't really have much of a backyard. I only have a porch in front and the porch isn't gated off or anything. There are also several other properties that border my place. It's set up similar to the shape of a stop sign. Imagine each of the 8 sides of a stop sign being the front of a house, the back of each house is only about 20 feet from the back of each other house.
Home owners association prohibits fences or anything and the HOA has an outside company cut grass and whatnot, so there are always neighbors and random people working in the backyard. No privacy outside or anywhere to put out of sight.
That is unless I try it inside, but I don't have adequate lighting inside, and I'm not trying to spend more on lamps, electric, etc. Again, I have some room for plants and stuff outside, and I'd love to add some cacti to my peppers and decorative plants, just no privacy whatsoever. Thanks
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: ferrel_human] 2
#21788100 - 06/10/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People who are aware of mescaline containing cacti, know exactly what they are looking for. If a thief comes looking for it, they aren't checking the labels to confirm. I can spot one tricho growing in a sea of cereus,a mile away, as could many others. Hide it. They grow indoor too.
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ken57345
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: Intj]
#21788169 - 06/10/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Intj,
I definitely thought about that before hand. The way I see it, people that know about mescaline containing cacti, that know about it well enough to be able to spot it "a mile away," have quite a bit of experience with it and likely also know two things:
1) It's fd up to steal someone's cacti and 2) They are legal and can be bought over the internet dirt cheap
These people also really can't judge someone for growing a drug, because they likely have knowledge of such a cacti from their own personal experience eating them.
My main concern is people that aren't as up on such things, but will still question what it is and then after finding out it's san pedro and reading about it online will have an issue with it. Again, I realize it is legal, but there are other factors at play when it comes to dealing with certain people
Also, when I was growing up I was into just about every drug one could think of. I knew that some cacti contained mescaline, and if I knew someone had one (years ago when I was 13 or 14), I probably would have taken their cacti. Having said that, I didn't know much about them because they weren't common in my area. If I suspected someone's cacti of containing mescaline, I would research it to see if it was something worth taking. Being a kid at the time, I wouldn't really know what I was doing, and I feel that if I saw a label that said it was something else it would have been enough to have prevented me from taking it. Not that that ever actually happened, but I know how teenagers think.
I may try indoors, but I don't have direct sunlight.
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: Intj]
#21788177 - 06/10/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trichs do not grow indoors "attractively". It makes them look gross. There are a couple Stenocereus that resemble trichs somewhat. Look them up and find one you think would work. Plus you can get them at Lowes or Home Depot too.
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: spaceman101]
#21788262 - 06/10/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you, I'm going to check out Lowes and Home Depot this weekend to see what they have!
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: ken57345]
#21788315 - 06/10/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you spend sometime on this forum and go back through the last five pages or so you'll see multiple threads where people ask "is this a San Pedro?" and it's almost always a Cereus Peruvianus. Many of those people appeared to be thieves as well, so your fears are well founded. Like ferrel said, that's your best bet to stealth label it as.
Growing it indoors won't work unless you buy some powerful lights and are OK with the electric bill. I found out the hard way last winter...
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: spaceman101]
#21788321 - 06/10/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Although your two points are valid for people who respect the plant, unfortunately it doesn't mean everyone is gonna be sympathetic to your babies.. your main concern if I inderstand correct, is to steer away kids that "might" think your cacti are active? and you hope swapping labels is going to deter them from snatching it up? Idk, Not trying to sound ass like, but if these kids are determined to get high off it, and it really isn't a common plant in your area, I just wouldn't keep it inside till I had enough of it to risk losing. because to me, It would only seem like a matter of time if you feel people are gonna be eyeballing your shit. idk, just my 2 cents, not trying to come off negative about it, just sayin
Also, If you have a east facing window, they can grow fine on the sill. But I live in a sunny location though. Worst case is a little etiolation in my experience.
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: Intj]
#21788342 - 06/10/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Edited by spaceman101 (06/10/15 03:05 PM)
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: spaceman101]
#21788373 - 06/10/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Another option is myrtillocactus geometrizans
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: BigHeart]
#21788396 - 06/10/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd say that's a blue candle as well
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: BigHeart]
#21788666 - 06/10/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you, I'm definitely going to check out these species. I think they will all do but I'm just going to have to see what the local stores have in stock. Blue candle (Myrtillocactus geometrizans), stenecereus, and cereus peruvianus all definitely look similar, but as Intj said anyone that really knows their stuff or is willing to do serious identification research is going to be able to tell them apart.
As I had also mentioned, I'm really just going to do this as a minor deterrent, but I know it isn't going to solve my problem 100%.
Intj, also, I don't take what you are saying as you "being an ass" at all. I know what you are saying. I thought of what you said prior to you saying it. I also agree that it would likely be a matter of time, but in any event, plastic labels only cost a couple of cents. I can likely get several dozen for less than a dollar. I think it's worth a try.
Also, all of my windows face north, east, and west (not south), so each window only has sun going through it a few hours a day. Even then I have large trees that block most of the sun. In other words, I really don't have any direct sunlight going through the windows. Outside is my only option.
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: ken57345]
#21788737 - 06/10/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You could also go with Stenocereus griseus. When I first saw it long ago I thought it was peruvian torch. That would also be a deterrent. And it's fatter than a Cereus.
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: ferrel_human]
#21788753 - 06/10/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: ferrel_human]
#21788769 - 06/10/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aint nobody fucking with tht,
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: ferrel_human]
#21788773 - 06/10/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
ferrel_human said:

Yea that's one of the ones I was referring to. There are a few other Stenocereus species that look very similar as well.
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
#21788806 - 06/10/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fantastic Mr. Fox said: Aint nobody fucking with tht,

I wasn't even fucking with one. Just reaching past it, and It got me.
Shit, Ive heard of cacti that throw their spines when you get too close,
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#21789307 - 06/10/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah various Cereus species, Myrtillocactus etc.
My neighbors don't mess with my plants for the most part.. they do however snag sprigs of my rosemary, in the front rock garden... and ask me for cuttings of my epiphyllum, as people can see its blades from the street, or neighbor's apartment building.
If you are are worried about people stealing your active plants when you buy them, yes you could intentinally mislable them. or come up with a # and letter code for your plant tags. ..such as A-4 = Trichocereus pachanoi, B-2 = Trichocereus bridgesii and mix in a myrtillo cactus and a cereus as F-7, and D-2.. people won't know what the freck you are growing. lol
Anyway, good luck.
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Re: Growing San Pedro around nosy neighbors and theives [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
#21789322 - 06/10/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think he's more trying to throw them off by labeling as a similar looking one.
So they go home and look it up and think "Hmmm well that's kinda what that cactus looked like so maybe it's not worth going back and nabbing it"
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