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Psychedelics and offspring?
    #21786205 - 06/09/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've recently begun taking LSD, shrooms, and DMT regularly and wanted to know if these drugs will cause any issues with having children? Like does it cause any sort of infertility, will it cause issues in fetus development, etc.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: ennokk]
    #21786252 - 06/09/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know, but probably worth pointing out if you're male or female


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Ikarus]
    #21786263 - 06/09/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am a male.

I'm most concerned with how it will affect children. I do plan to settle down some day and have a child or several, but I need to know if these drugs will make my kids have developmental problems and such.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: ennokk]
    #21786274 - 06/09/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If there was it'd be out by now..
Think about how many hippies from the 60s who dropped acid on the regular,  abd we are their children lol


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: ennokk]
    #21786286 - 06/09/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea I hear you. I'm interested in the answer as well. Was just thinking that if you were female and pregnant it probably wouldn't hurt to lay off for a while.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Ikarus]
    #21786319 - 06/09/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea definitely hehe.

Also yea I get what you mean about the hippies and their children, but any damage to chromosomes and DNA won't necessarily show up within just a generation or two. I don't want my kids to have damaged DNA, assuming the drugs do cause damage which is what I am asking.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: ennokk]
    #21786589 - 06/10/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mushrooms are safer than marijuana so take from that what you wish. I'm pretty positive all the natural psychedelics will have no role in your fertility, as for the DNA and stuff well yes psychs actually can awaken and alter DNA to evolve which is a good thing, mushrooms been around and used for thousands of years my parents were heavy trippers in the 60s and 70s, I'd say you're good :mushroom2:


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #21787044 - 06/10/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So you're saying they will actually make my children BETTER? What is this about awakening and altering DNA?


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: ennokk]
    #21787089 - 06/10/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What is the difference between someone who is of a single ethnicity vs multiple? The latter has DNA from multiple gene pools and perhaps an even more varied selection. Although this is completely heresay and an absolute generalisation, I've noticed people of a single ethnicity to be incredibly dull/un-adventerous and intolerant in a variety of aspects. Perhaps this has just been my experience and or my ego speaking (loudly and out of place).

I do not think that genes are the determinant factor, but I do think that they play a role in how open our personalities are to ideas outside of ourselves. Just an observation and not a diagnosis.

Similar to this gene pool idea, I have read that some people believe psychedelics actually have the potential of altering are DNA. Not in the sense of transformation, but sloughing off layers... sort of like an onion. And if this is indeed the case, then you would be passing off that new and improved DNA to your children.

I'm incredibly excited for the next century. Since the rise of global transportation and communication, we are fast becoming a world of ethnic muts. It's going to be difficult to be racist when you're from twenty different backgrounds.


Edited by Soul-Shine (06/10/15 06:50 AM)


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Soul-Shine]
    #21787306 - 06/10/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

PSychedelics do not alter your DNA, whatsoever so. The way psychedelics may have increased the evolutionary development of humans was through consciousness, not pure DNA changes.

If psychedelics had the possibility to permanently change your DNA, there would be a much larger change to the person and to their offspring, when in fact there is no physical difference between the user of psychedelics and someone who hasn't used them ever.

They won't effect your offspring, what is truly going to play a much more major role in the development of who they are is your parenting style. It's how you lay the foundations of life to your children.

But psychedelics will change who you are. They can permanently change your personality, and improve connectedness in your brain.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Achillita]
    #21787401 - 06/10/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm far more kind now then I was before I started taking psychedelics.  MDMA was a huge empathy trigger for me.  LSD has helped me a lot to understand myself.  DMT has helped me to accept myself.

All of this helps me be a better parent.  We have two kids and my wife and I get complimented all the time on what a great job we're doing.  How sweet our boys are.  How well behaved.

As far as DNA changes go, that's a drug myth.  There's a lot of them when it comes to psychedelics and especially LSD.  People have a habit of letting their imaginations run away from them when taking powerful mind altering chemicals.

Here's a quote from this wikipedia page.

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A 2008 medical review concluded, "The available data suggest that pure LSD does not cause chromosomal abnormalities, spontaneous abortions, or congenital malformations."




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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: ennokk]
    #21788056 - 06/10/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's more a form of neurogenesis, stimulating growth of new brain cells and connecting neurons in your brain, widening perspectives. Its all speculation since there's not enough research so no one really can say for sure, but it could be possible that you are "awakening" dormant dna/brain cells in the process, dna is constantly evolving


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #21788592 - 06/10/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Achillita seems to have the right idea. Listen to him.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Achillita]
    #21789009 - 06/10/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Achillita said:
PSychedelics do not alter your DNA, whatsoever so. The way psychedelics may have increased the evolutionary development of humans was through consciousness, not pure DNA changes.

If psychedelics had the possibility to permanently change your DNA, there would be a much larger change to the person and to their offspring, when in fact there is no physical difference between the user of psychedelics and someone who hasn't used them ever.

They won't effect your offspring, what is truly going to play a much more major role in the development of who they are is your parenting style. It's how you lay the foundations of life to your children.

But psychedelics will change who you are. They can permanently change your personality, and improve connectedness in your brain.




:whathesaid:

There may be the possibility of psychedelics causing epigenetic changes, which are heritable, but that is a relatively new field and there's already so little funding for studies involving psychedelics.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: healing]
    #21789016 - 06/10/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It will give them gills and/or wings and they will be the next step in human evolution. Shouldn't worry about it!


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: lurkmode]
    #21789110 - 06/10/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This was a huge deal a few years ago, people saying LSD can change DNA and all sorts of shit, pretty sure those claims went nowhere.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #21789140 - 06/10/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Eat mushrooms for evolutionary consciousness ehnancement.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #21789702 - 06/10/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As a teenager I tripped constantly and did just about anything else I could get my hands on. I planned on getting a vasectomy so I could do drugs and screw all the time and not worry about deformed children, parenthood and all that other serious stuff. Well, I never got that vasectomy and I ended up with two healthy boys.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Universe]
    #21789809 - 06/10/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The "codons" I think they are called? of the strands of DNA are activated by "state of being" ultimately that's why psychedelics can further evolution but I could see how certain people from different places based on lifestyles could have different activity points with more activity without taking psychedelics to help alter them.

Gregg Braden outlined an example of this with the effects of Love Vs Fear the two main emotions and how they effect our physical reality. Literally.



Check it out this guy actually has a clue.

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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21789837 - 06/10/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



Sorry this was the correct video for the post I just made but that other one is related also :laugh:


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21790837 - 06/10/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics doesn't activate DNA or mutate it or anything like that. Psychedelics are the things that pushed early humans abtract though process. Able to create inventions, new techniques, in depth language and government. Psychedelics helped evolve humans culturally.

If you have people taking psychedelics, their DNA stays the same the whole time. Nothing is activated or changed. It just helps cultivate creativity and abstract thought. From there is when we get cultures that further the advancement of human kind.

Psychedelics helped us evolve socially, culturally, and creatively. Not physically.


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Re: Psychedelics and offspring? [Re: Achillita]
    #21792837 - 06/11/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I to an extent agree with you, I'm just stating that the activation of different codes of DNA can be directly related to our state of being(emotions/mental programming) and not just genetics.

Anything is possible. Especially when it comes to a subject as undeveloped as the functioning of our DNA with our physical reality.

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