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Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/major-ecstasy-lab-busted-in-montague-township-rcmp-say-1.3105870
Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say Seized ingredients had potential yield of 4.4 million pills
CBC News Posted: Jun 09, 2015 10:24 AM ET Last Updated: Jun 09, 2015 7:24 PM ET
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RCMP and OPP say they have dismantled a secret drug lab in Montague Township in eastern Ontario over the weekend, seizing over 100 kilograms of Methylenedioxy-Methamphetamine (MDMA), weapons, cash,chemicals and equipment.
The ingredients have a potential yield of 1.8 million MDMA pills and 2.6 million Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) pills, according to the RCMP.




A 37-year-old man from Montague and a 34-year-old man from Gatineau, Que., have been charged with drug-related offences. A search warrant was also carried out at a residence in Gatineau.
"This was a very large seizure of synthetic drugs," said RCMP Superintendent Guy Rook, North East District Commander, adding that the secret lab south of Ottawa posed a "huge risk" of fire, explosion and exposure to toxic chemicals to residents living nearby.
He added the lab was a "sophisticated" operation capable of producing industrial volumes of MDMA, a central nervous system stimulant that is also known as ecstasy.
About 80 kilograms of MDMA was already manufactured and ready to be sold on the streets while the remaining 20 kilograms was in stages of production. Police also seized a loaded 9 mm handgun, a 50 caliber handgun and a 12 gauge shot gun along with $80,000.
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: motaman]
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The gold 50 cal is fucking badass!
A lotta moon rocks to boot
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Ive been telling everyone all the good M is in Canada
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: EastBayRay]
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It says in the article
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: EastBayRay]
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That looks just like the MDMA I have too shits fucking flame. Too bad there's probably only another 1000 labs
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Wow. One hell of an operation. Wonder what all those buckets were filled with.
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: Mental Taco]
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Bummer deal..Seems like most of the labs up there tend to produce speed pills, but ofcourse when one gets rolled it's gotta be a legit MDMA lab
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: mushmagic]
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Seems like a big one, but I bet it won't affect availability of good clean MDMA. Unless that was a smaller batch for them.. Most of the big boys are producing triple that amount...
What I wonder is where the precursors are coming from....
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: Zombi3]
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What I wonder is where the precursors are coming from....
Same here.
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: mushmagic]
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Wow, nice setup. Too bad they got busted. I wonder how they found out.
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: jbaby007]
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Yea they knew what they were doing by looks of things. But my guess is they were new entrepeneurs, this was their first solo synth, and they left a paper trail.
Or a smoke trail.
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: EastBayRay]
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Cognitive_Shift said: The gold 50 cal is fucking badass!
A lotta moon rocks to boot
Not sure that Desert Eagle is .50 but it's badass none the less!
HOLY SHIT A GOLDEN DEAGLE!!!
btw it says it in the story that its a 50
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: Shroom Kitty]
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I hate seeing big labs get slammed especially LSD, shit makes me curl up and cry
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Re: Major ecstasy lab busted in Montague Township, RCMP say [Re: Zombi3]
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Zombi3 said: Seems like a big one, but I bet it won't affect availability of good clean MDMA. Unless that was a smaller batch for them.. Most of the big boys are producing triple that amount...
What I wonder is where the precursors are coming from....
China pumps out all the PMK oil.
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Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: motaman]
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/sassafras-oil-used-to-make-ecstasy-not-candles-at-ottawa-business-rcmp-says-1.3109811
Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP says RCMP busts 'Pebble Candles' finding 1,500 kg of sassafras oil, plus 1,000 kg of Helionix
CBC News Posted: Jun 11, 2015 3:03 PM ET Last Updated: Jun 11, 2015 3:19 PM ET
 These barrels of sassafras oil were seized by the RCMP as they allege the oil was used to make ecstasy, not candles. (Photo supplied by RCMP)
The RCMP has raided an east Ottawa candle-making business they allege bought oils for the production of MDMA, or ecstasy, instead of candles.
On Thursday, an RCMP news release said the Ottawa detachment raided two businesses, two homes, two storage facilities and two vehicles as part of project "ONatural," a joint operation between the RCMP and Ontario Provincial Police.
Police said a "suspicious transaction" of sassafras oil was brought to their attention. The oil is used in the manufacturing of Methylenedioxy-Methamphetamine (MDMA), also known as ecstasy.
The oil had been legally obtained by a business in the east Ottawa suburb of Cumberland called "Pebble Candles," the release said, but was not being used to make candles.
The RCMP seized 1,500 kilograms of sassafras oil and 1,000 kilograms of Helionix, used to make a variation of ecstasy called Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA).
2nd raid in same investigation
The amount of sassafras oil could make 4.2 million tablets of MDMA, while the Helionix could lead to 2.65 million tablets of MDA, police said. The tablets have a street value of $20 each.
The alleged director of Pebble Candles, a 48-year-old Ottawa man, was arrested and charged with drug-related offences. He is scheduled for a bail hearing on Friday at the Ottawa courthouse.
 These barrels of sassafras oil, plus some Helionix to the left, were found in a storage container in Cumberland, an east Ottawa suburb. (Photo supplied by the RCMP)
The alleged director of Pebble Candles, a 48-year-old Ottawa man, was arrested and charged with drug-related offences. He is scheduled for a bail hearing on Friday at the Ottawa courthouse.
A 34-year-old Gatineau man and a 38-year-old man from Montague, Ont., charged after a related raid last weekend in Montague Township, remain in custody pending bail hearings.
That raid found more than 100 kilograms of MDMA, as well as weapons, cash, chemicals and equipment. The ingredients had a potential yield of 1.8 million MDMA pills and 2.6 million MDA pills, according to the RCMP.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: motaman]
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That's a shit ton of precusuor what a waste
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: Zombi3]
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Candle making?? I wonder if Petaluma Al was ivolved...
"Pickard obtained many of the chemicals and most of the glassware for the laboratory from Alfred Savinelli, the owner of a business in Taos, New Mexico called Native Scents. Native Scents produced and sold scented candles as well as other items. Pickard paid Savinelli over $300,000 from 1995 to 1999 for his help in obtaining the chemicals and glassware."
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: EastBayRay]
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At least theres more in thailand.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: EastBayRay]
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EastBayRay said: Candle making, eh? I wonder if Petaluma Al was ivolved...
"Pickard obtained many of the chemicals and most of the glassware for the laboratory from Alfred Savinelli, the owner of a business in Taos, New Mexico called Native Scents. Native Scents produced and sold scented candles as well as other items. Pickard paid Savinelli over $300,000 from 1995 to 1999 for his help in obtaining the chemicals and glassware."
Doubt that's more than a coincidence. Anything scented would be a typical front for an MDMA operation since sassafras oil is most often used for that kind of stuff legally.
For the sake of the rest of the guys asses I'd sure hope Petaluma Al isn't involved.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: D.M.T]
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: jsncrs]
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Same here haha some people have amazing setups
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21815457 - 06/16/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rebelutionsssss said: That's a shit ton of precusuor what a waste
Seriously man, all those candles down the drain. The white devil doesn't understand that starving kids in Africa need light at night too! Electricity doesn't grow on trees and now thousands of kids will lose their night light. Sad.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: ButtFace]
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For the sake of the rest of the guys asses I'd sure hope Petaluma Al isn't involved.
Did he testify during the Pickard/Apperson trial? On a side note, his business is still up and running (http://www.nativescents.com).
Not the same guy. http://cjonline.com/indepth/missilesilos/stories/021903_kan_lsdsilo.shtml
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: fapjack]
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They were trying to trade 800 kilos of heroin for missels http://cjonline.com/indepth/missilesilos/stories/011703_kan_wamego.shtml what the fuhhhhhh
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: fapjack]
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For the sake of the rest of the guys asses I'd sure hope Petaluma Al isn't involved.
Did he testify during the Pickard/Apperson trial? On a side note, his business is still up and running (http://www.nativescents.com).
Not the same guy. http://cjonline.com/indepth/missilesilos/stories/021903_kan_lsdsilo.shtml
So Alfred Savinelli and Petaluma Al aren't the same person?
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: EastBayRay]
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Wow the pickard thing goes so deep. I'd love to know the whole deal with that. Someone should make a movie about him.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: D.M.T]
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No they aren't. One was a confidential informant that was buying LSD from Pickard, the other got glassware chemicals for Pickard and testified against him to not get charged. Why would he have a CI name if he was giving a public testimony? Seems kind of pointless. Also he wasfrom "Petaluma, California" not New Mexico. You could have just used google and 3 minutes of your time to figure this out. Why would they use one of their main LSD customers to source their precursors and glassware from? Seems like a guarantee if he got busted they would too.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: fapjack]
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Petaluma Al was the source of the ET for the Pickard operation.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: afrogus]
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http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/wamegotimes/wmgotimes02_20_03.html
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Skinner IDs 'ET Man'
The Wamego Times,Volume 116 •Number 8 • February 20, 2003
The DEA informant in the LSD conspiracy case last week identified the "ET Man" in the alleged conspiracy as a man named Jim Miller
Under cross-examination by defense attorney Mark Bennett, Gordon Todd Skinner, former owner of the converted Atlas-E missile base near Wamego which was raided by DEA agents in early November of 2000, reluctantly named the source of the ergotamine tartrate, an LSD chemical precursor valued at approximately $ 100,000 per kilogram.
I don't know what I can legally do here," Skinner responded when asked by Bennett to name the ET source. "I tried not to look at this type of information so I wouldn't become contaminated," Skinner then stated the name of Jim Miller and said he had identified the man's photo from among eight or 10 photos show to him by DEA agents.
Skinner testified that he and Pickard and several others had traveled to Chicago in Vay of 2000, to negotiate a deal for 40 kilograms of ET, According to Skinner, Pickard, the alleged ET Man, and another person sat around a table in a lobby of the Ritz Carlton Hotel, while he (Skinner) and three other associates sat about 40 or 50 feet away.
"I never met the ET Man in my life that I know about," Skinner testified. "I believe it (the guy at the table) was the ET man and I have confirmation of it since then."
http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/wamegotimes/wmgotimes03_06_03.html
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FOLLOWING THE October 17-18 interview, Nichols said he corroborated the information obtained from Skinner by comparing it to the names in the LSD database he had developed as a member of the special LSD investigative team. Taped phone conversations between Skinner and Pickard, as well as a subsequent videotaped meeting between the two in a California hotel room provided further corroboration. Finally, Skinner singled out a photo of Alex Reid (Petaluma Al) the member of the organization responsible for drug pickups adn money drops in California. "That was the turning point when I knew Mr. Skinner had significant information about the operation; either that, or he was the luckiest man in the world," Nichols said.
Not to say they never got ET from him, but it says their ET guy was someone else.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: fapjack]
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Skinner IDs 'ET Man'
The Wamego Times,Volume 116 •Number 8 • February 20, 2003
The DEA informant in the LSD conspiracy case last week identified the "ET Man" in the alleged conspiracy as a man named Jim Miller
Under cross-examination by defense attorney Mark Bennett, Gordon Todd Skinner, former owner of the converted Atlas-E missile base near Wamego which was raided by DEA agents in early November of 2000, reluctantly named the source of the ergotamine tartrate, an LSD chemical precursor valued at approximately $ 100,000 per kilogram.
I don't know what I can legally do here," Skinner responded when asked by Bennett to name the ET source. "I tried not to look at this type of information so I wouldn't become contaminated," Skinner then stated the name of Jim Miller and said he had identified the man's photo from among eight or 10 photos show to him by DEA agents.
Skinner testified that he and Pickard and several others had traveled to Chicago in Vay of 2000, to negotiate a deal for 40 kilograms of ET, According to Skinner, Pickard, the alleged ET Man, and another person sat around a table in a lobby of the Ritz Carlton Hotel, while he (Skinner) and three other associates sat about 40 or 50 feet away.
"I never met the ET Man in my life that I know about," Skinner testified. "I believe it (the guy at the table) was the ET man and I have confirmation of it since then."
http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/wamegotimes/wmgotimes03_06_03.html
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FOLLOWING THE October 17-18 interview, Nichols said he corroborated the information obtained from Skinner by comparing it to the names in the LSD database he had developed as a member of the special LSD investigative team. Taped phone conversations between Skinner and Pickard, as well as a subsequent videotaped meeting between the two in a California hotel room provided further corroboration. Finally, Skinner singled out a photo of Alex Reid (Petaluma Al) the member of the organization responsible for drug pickups adn money drops in California. "That was the turning point when I knew Mr. Skinner had significant information about the operation; either that, or he was the luckiest man in the world," Nichols said.
Not to say they never got ET from him, but it says their ET guy was someone else.
That's some good sleuthing! I stand corrected.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: afrogus]
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I'm pretty sure it's Alec Reid and not Alex Reid. James Edward Miller, also known as Edward James Miller, was at least one person that supplied the 'ergotamine' for the the operation.
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Re: [b][larger][larger][larger]Sassafras oil used to make ecstasy, not candles at Ottawa business, RCMP [Re: motaman]
#21930698 - 07/11/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's cool that canadian news cares enough to explain that both mda and mdma were seized.
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