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A few poppy questions
    #21784663 - 06/09/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just made the following post in the pub about gardening, but had some questions...

The few poppy plants I have in the ground (5 or so) are still tiny... So I busted out my old seed collection and tried to germinate them hoping there is still time left in my growing zone to get something from them..
I'm in Southern Wisconsin...

If these germinate, will there still be enough time to get them to maturity?
Also, does anyone know what those acronyms may stand for?

Thanks...
Here is the post I wrote in reply...




Poppies need cool temps to germinate... So I just went and got all my old seeds out from various trades here a few years ago... 
Got paper towel wet and layed it in Tupperware and spread the seeds out and labeled em. 

Hoping the paper towel and cold fridge can make them germinate and then try to transplant the sprouts in to soil and hope the season has enough time left... 

I just did... 
Persian white
Gigantium 
Izmir afghan(white?) 
Some called Black Current Fizz
A mix labeled Turkish and Taz
Mammoth 
Gigantium Hot pink
Wizi psmi 

They're all labeled from whoever I was trading with then.. 

Anybody know what those acronyms stand for?


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21784701 - 06/09/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Another thought.. Here you're supposed to sow seeds in early spring... Is that because of the temps needed to germinate, or because they take a full few seasons to reach maturity...
. We still have approx 4 months of growing time here... I think


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong] * 1
    #21784730 - 06/09/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh dude,you shouldn't have used paper towel method for poppies,that's a no no.

They should have been scattered on the ground,and not messed with.

With you living in Wisconsin,it's not too late to have started them now.

If you have seeds left,I would till up a good area,and sew the seeds all over,and keep them moist until they germinate.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21784867 - 06/09/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have plenty of seeds... But why not the paper towel method?

So I do have time then?


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21784879 - 06/09/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also, any insight to what wizi psmi is and any comments or thoughts about the other strains I posted?
I'm genuinely curious and wanting to learn. :smile:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21784882 - 06/09/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bumping so I can follow thread because what the fuck is a Wismi Psmi.

Hope someone can clarify for ShLonggy and I. I'm not involved just confused, intrigued and curious.

You fucker beating me by 13 seconds. lol.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21784890 - 06/09/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have plenty of seeds... But why not the paper towel method?

So I do have time then?





Well,poppy roots are fragile,and tend to intertwine in the fibers of the paper towel,thus making it hard to get them out and planted without breaking them.

Poppies like to be sowed where they are intended to be grown,and just left alone.

You have time in Wisconsin I would imagine,it doesn't get unbelievably hot there in the summer like it does here in the south:thumbup:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21784896 - 06/09/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh if it's anything like Minnesota you'd be fuckin' suprised my friend, and that's just a hop skip and you don't even need to take the jump, away

It gets to 100 sometimes in MN still in the summertime. Not often, but occasionally. I've yet to experience that high of a heat in Florida, but Florida has a higher summer average, constantly around 90-91 around my town.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21784927 - 06/09/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh if it's anything like Minnesota you'd be fuckin' suprised my friend, and that's just a hop skip and you don't even need to take the jump, away

It gets to 100 sometimes in MN still in the summertime. Not often, but occasionally. I've yet to experience that high of a heat in Florida, but Florida has a higher summer average, constantly around 90-91 around my town.





Well,if that's the case I wouldn't bother planting the seeds then,as it will be a waste.

I've lived in Florida for a total of 10 years,but I'm in Kentucky now,although I'm moving back to Florida in a little over two weeks,and yeah,the humidity,sun and heat are unbearable to those not acclimated,or accustomed to it.

You can grow nice poppies in the cooler months there though,but forget about it in the summer!

Here are some of my plants where I just tossed the seeds on the ground,and forgot about them.

They really are just that easy to grow:thumbup:











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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21784944 - 06/09/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm gonna have to have you over for dinner on my lactarius indigos for some seeds when you move to Florida then! Because I can't trade forum:/ I wanna get on that poppy game!


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21784951 - 06/09/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm gonna have to have you over for dinner on my lactarius indigos for some seeds when you move to Florida then! Because I can't trade forum:/ I wanna get on that poppy game!





Dude,I'm down for that,as lactarius indigos are among my most favorite edible to eat!


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21785736 - 06/09/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Average tempsfrom here til September will be highs of approx 72-90... Mostly approx 80-82 degrees... Dipping to mid 50s to 70 at night...

I tilled a small area and tossed some seeds down and watered em...

I'll do that in a few places and see what happens...


I think of I get the seed out right as it's sprouting, I can get it before it gets in the towel... And then put several sprouts in a small biodegradable pot and let that grow for a week or two, and then cull a few and plant the whole container.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21787268 - 06/10/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Some seeds are best with the direct sew, method. Poppy, is one of them. I say this, because they are notorious for not liking to be disturbed and or transplanted. To me, their care is akin to Lettuces. I do not transplant lettuces either. In years past with lettuce and poppy grows, I have tried to start in paper-towel, and in 2 inch pots for tansplant.. and both varieties of plant did not like transplant. As with what others have said, It may not yet be too late to start for late season flowering.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21787447 - 06/10/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

alright :sad:

I'm still gonna try, though...
I went and filled a paint roller tray with soil and sowed some seeds on that and stuck that in the fridge at work to see if I could get any sprouts...

I can also dig up more land to sow on, but I fear it's too warm for them to germinate now...(that's why I am trying to hard to get enough sprouts that at least a few of them will take).

I also saw some poppies growing along a rural road outside of town the other day...They had pods (that I saw from a distance), but the flowers were orange. They could've been a light red, but my 1st impression was orange.
Do any P.S. flower orange, or is that likely another strain that won't "produce"...

I can probably get pics later if I drive out there


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21787733 - 06/10/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good luck man,you may get flowers by fall.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21787769 - 06/10/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So the problem is that your plants may flower when they're tiny seedlings and your pods will end up being the size of marbles with no morphine.  Once the days get to a certain length, poppies will stop growing and put all their energy into flowering.  The reason you sow early in the year is to get the lettuces as massive as possible before they flower so that the pods are larger.  Next year, sow in March and feed the lettuces a balanced fertilizer every other watering or so until they get about a foot or two wide and the days are getting longer, then just water when the soil gets too dry. 

I could be wrong and yours might grow to a decent size before they shoot to seed, but I'm pretty sure you're hosed for the year.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21787787 - 06/10/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So the problem is that your plants may flower when they're tiny seedlings and your pods will end up being the size of marbles with no morphine.  Once the days get to a certain length, poppies will stop growing and put all their energy into flowering.  The reason you sow early in the year is to get the lettuces as massive as possible before they flower so that the pods are larger.  Next year, sow in March and feed the lettuces a balanced fertilizer every other watering or so until they get about a foot or two wide and the days are getting longer, then just water when the soil gets too dry. 

I could be wrong and yours might grow to a decent size before they shoot to seed, but I'm pretty sure you're hosed for the year.





No,you're exactly right:thumbup:

I've found that when you sow them in the fall,they have all that time to grow huge lettuces,and by the following spring,you have massive multi-podded plants.

But,if you sow them in spring,like I did,you get tiny single podded plants with small pods.

Some of my plants are also only a few inches tall too.

Poppies are a long day plant,and what will most likely happen is that his will grow to a certain small size,flower early,and msot likely only be a few inches tall.

I knew this,but he still will get flowers,regardless,so I didn't mention it.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21787830 - 06/10/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Shit...yeah that makes a lot of sense..fuck..

Oh well...perhaps the few I have growing will turn out to be good.

I went and snapped a pic of the "wild" poppies I found...brb, gonna upload


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21787835 - 06/10/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)




Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? :sad:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21787845 - 06/10/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you get small plants and pods, you'll still end up with more seeds than you started with, right? I've never grown but I would think so.
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Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? :sad:




from what I understand you can't tell if they are or they aren't by looks. I may be wrong, it might have been saying you can't tell the strain just by looking, I stumbled on that when trying to figure out what a wizi was.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21787849 - 06/10/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? :sad:





Papaver rhoeas.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21787855 - 06/10/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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shLong said:



Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? :sad:





Papaver rhoeas.




Weak :mad2:...thanks, though. :smile:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21787863 - 06/10/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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shLong said:



Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? :sad:





Papaver rhoeas.



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shLong said:
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kactus.brand.g said:
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shLong said:



Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? :sad:





Papaver rhoeas.




Weak :mad2:...thanks, though. :smile:





Hey,they are gorgeous,and I'd love to have some seeds from those!


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    #21787885 - 06/10/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Sham87] * 1
    #21787914 - 06/10/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No they are not Roheas either.. the leaves have too many hairs.. they look like Papaver orientale. (perennial poppy)

I have grown both varieties, and I can fairly safely say the red ones in the photo with about 99% certainty, are the Orientale. they are very pretty and make great cut flowers for an afternoon. tend to loose petals fast though, as a cut flower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaver_orientale


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kizatzhaddarak] * 1
    #21787966 - 06/10/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No they are not Roheas either.. the leaves have too many hairs.. they look like Papaver orientale. (perennial poppy)

I have grown both varieties, and I can fairly safely say the red ones in the photo with about 99% certainty, are the Orientale. they are very pretty and make great cut flowers for an afternoon. tend to loose petals fast though, as a cut flower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaver_orientale





Yeah,I thought so at first too,and I've grown them both.

Papaver rhoeas.



Papaver oriental.



Now you can see why I got slightly confused,but regardless they are not somniferum.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21788005 - 06/10/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So...is the pod inside the flower then?
I've never seen a mature poppy plant and those pics were technically in someone's backyard, so I didn't wanna hang around too long and arouse suspicion.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21788014 - 06/10/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also, since we have a new poster here...any idea what "wizi psmi" would mean...

And the black current ones...are they good?


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    #21789409 - 06/10/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah shLong, the (pod) is the center of the flower, and after it looses its petals. The greenish ball with the purple-blackish stuff on top is the seed-pod /capsule.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21790065 - 06/10/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:
That's what I figured, but wanted to make sure.


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    #21792019 - 06/11/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah wait for them to get fully ripe. wait for the capsule/pod to turn from green to brownish, and the pod will have ripe-seed. I have not read a whole lot about Papaver-orientale and how (active) it is, However, I do know that it is listed in various herbal reference books, so I assume it does have some kind of medical use, if even not the best variety for laytex production.

there is another variety that looks superficially similar to the red-orientale, and Papaver rhoeas. It is Papaver bracteatum, which is very active, and much sought after.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaver_bracteatum

hope that helps. :wink:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21792097 - 06/11/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It does...
Thanks for your time and knowledge. :smile:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21792364 - 06/11/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah wait for them to get fully ripe. wait for the capsule/pod to turn from green to brownish, and the pod will have ripe-seed. I have not read a whole lot about Papaver-orientale and how (active) it is, However, I do know that it is listed in various herbal reference books, so I assume it does have some kind of medical use, if even not the best variety for laytex production.

there is another variety that looks superficially similar to the red-orientale, and Papaver rhoeas. It is Papaver bracteatum, which is very active, and much sought after.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaver_bracteatum

hope that helps. :wink:




NO NO NO NO. NOOOOOO..... DO NOT COMSUME P. BRACTEATUM!!!!!!!

You will get very sick, and possibly (likely) DIE. They produce only Thebaine, which is toxic if consumed. Thebaine is the parent compound of meds like oxycodone, etc, but it MUST be processed properly in a lab, and chemically altered into those meds. Read the thread titled "Warning regarding Tasmanian Poppies" if you want to learn more or see what happens if u eat Thebaine.

Do not consume these in any way shLong or anyone. You will risk death, and at the very least become very sick. They have no recreational value at all.

P. Somniferum is the only recreational poppy, period. Even tho P. Brac contains Thebaine it's still not used to produce anything medicinal yet to my knowledge, and again it requires alot of pharmaceutical processing to make it non-toxic.

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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Denman]
    #21792387 - 06/11/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do not advocate ingestion of ANY substance without extensive research. Many of the plants and fungi that are "recreational" contain other compounds that are at best carcinogenic, and at worst lethal. I totally agree with you. Some people grow these plants for novelty purpose, or as part of a botanical collection.

Anyway,. . again.. and I stress this. (I do not advocate the ingestion of any substance without extensive research, and or the advice of trained medical and or spiritual personelle)


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21792424 - 06/11/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Too late... Just made a 25 gram tea and sent it down the hatch 30 minutes ago..
Oh well, lol #YOLO


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21792441 - 06/11/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

About tazzies.. I thought those were some of the best... Weird.

What are the best seeds to sow for opium production then?


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21792606 - 06/11/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would go with the purple tazzies  lanced all the goo out of em and then made tea from spent pods I think that's the best most efficient method for getting the most opium from your pods I would use my whole plant but it seems the stalks and what not get some kind of mildew, I usually would get aphids and ants all over my poppies thats usually during summer, where im at it just started summer and I  harvested about a month ago, I have these shityy little white flies never seem em before tho, I want to plant some more seeds but from what I have encountered is my purple tazzies (Store Bought seed) cant tolerate the heat too much over 85 they start drooping.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: BoomerMan420]
    #21792737 - 06/11/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I would go with the purple tazzies  lanced all the goo out of em and then made tea from spent pods I think that's the best most efficient method for getting the most opium from your pods I would use my whole plant but it seems the stalks and what not get some kind of mildew, I usually would get aphids and ants all over my poppies thats usually during summer, where im at it just started summer and I  harvested about a month ago, I have these shityy little white flies never seem em before tho, I want to plant some more seeds but from what I have encountered is my purple tazzies (Store Bought seed) cant tolerate the heat too much over 85 they start drooping.



:solidnod: 
White with purple throat gigs are good too.  I agree with lancing, you can eat the raw O and it only takes a tiny little dab, or smoke it for a more stimulating feel.  You can save the scored pods and a large portion of the stalk and extract for putty

I personally hate tea, why brew it up every time and deal with the taste, stomach upset and inconsistency with potency?  Just freaking process your whole crop at once and get a few ounces of very user friendly pod putty.  :shrug:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21792777 - 06/11/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I really wish I would've gotten a lot started earlier this year...

I really really wally want some opium... Bought some over a  decade ago and thought it'd be a regular thing.. Never saw it again. :sad:

Now I have 5 plants to hope I get something out of :mad2:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21793123 - 06/11/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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About tazzies.. I thought those were some of the best... Weird.

What are the best seeds to sow for opium production then?




Tazzies are great. The thread was regarding pharm companies in Tazmania and othe locales that have engineered a low morphine High Thebaine poppy, that looks identical to regular Tazzies. The problem was folks hopping the fences and swiping some pods looking for a good time only to seize out and die instead. Sad really...

I brought it up cause it relates directly to Thebaine, and there are some great links in it for more info on poppy alkaloids, etc. Nothing wrong with what we know as Tazzies. :thumbup: Been growing em for a long time, still my favorite. :smile:

KIZA- I wasn't trying to jump on you, just wanted to be sure anyone reading this thread would know the potential danger. They may be sought after for aesthetic purposes, but no red value.
Someone who is not inclined to do further research than reading this thread could take that as an endorsement with potentially disaster out results. So I certainly wasn't trying to bash you, just throwing in a little harm reduction is all.

Take care, and good luck with your grow shLong,
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Denman]
    #21793188 - 06/11/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

good posts here..thanks


So, I assume nobody knows anything about the mystery strains I mentioned? :lol:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21793191 - 06/11/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A Wizmi Psmi .

Is the Wizard Pygmy strain.

Idk I'm just as bummed out as you, that no one knows. WHAT THE FUCK IS IT.

Ask the dude who you got them from, unless he's AWOL.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21793219 - 06/11/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've made so many trades here that I would have no clue who I got em from


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21793232 - 06/11/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Persian white
Gigantium
Izmir afghan(white?)             
Some called Black Current Fizz
A mix labeled Turkish and Taz
Mammoth
Gigantium Hot pink
Wizi psmi




Izmir afghan seeds were white and one bag of the persian whites were a very light brown colored seed...

Does that sound normal?

Giant hot pink...never heard of those before, but had a bag labeled as such...are they for real?

Black Current Fizz...i googled it and thew flowers look cool...Any idea of their active components?

and of course the million dollar question is WTF IS WIZI PSMI?

I assume the PS portion means papaver somniferum


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21794595 - 06/11/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

First off.. thanks Denman and no worries.I may have come off in a wrong way.

I feel people should do some homework before taking, eating smoking, drinking  whatever it may be.. because if you don't key it right, or dose it right, yeah.. bam, dead.

ShLong, Yeah I assume the PS is Papaver Som.  and Wizi is the wizard strain.  but, don't quote me.

My first plant in my poppy planter is about to bloom, but mine are a mix of: giant, hen and chicks,Turkish blue and grape. I'll post up some photos when I get blooms. the largest stalk, looks like it is going to have a couple bloom heads.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21794661 - 06/11/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Then what's the Mi? WizMI?


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong] * 1
    #21795159 - 06/11/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Persian white
Gigantium
Izmir afghan(white?)             
Some called Black Current Fizz
A mix labeled Turkish and Taz
Mammoth
Gigantium Hot pink
Wizi psmi




Izmir afghan seeds were white and one bag of the persian whites were a very light brown colored seed...

Does that sound normal?

Giant hot pink...never heard of those before, but had a bag labeled as such...are they for real?

Black Current Fizz...i googled it and thew flowers look cool...Any idea of their active components?

and of course the million dollar question is WTF IS WIZI PSMI?

I assume the PS portion means papaver somniferum




The hot pinks are real, poppies come in every color of the rainbow now it's seems. Here's one of my hot pinks from last year. This one is fringed but they can be single pedal, doubled or even peony.



As for the seeds color, it sounds like they are mixed up to me. IME Persians are white seeds, and the Afghans are brown, at least that's what I've had each time. Continued generations have produced the same, white seeds from Persians brown from afghan etc, Although seed color could vary on many factors I'm sure. Either way, if you've got white or brown seeds, you've got good stuff. Seems you have both :thumbup:

Gigantium and Mammoth are usually names derived from pod size, so flower color may vary on those. Generally speaking, actual "Gigs" are white with a purple base, (also considered by many to simply be purple Tazzies) and mammoth could be any color as far as I know.
Here's a gig of mine as well:


Taz could be red or white n purple as above, and Turks are yet another p.som variety.

Black current fizz I have no experience with,  and wizi psmi or whatever the abbreviation is for I haven't a clue. There are so many colors of Somni's that many probably have multiple names. As long as they are P.Som you've got the right stuff. It's quite easy to be sure of the species once they get some true leaves.

Hope that helps some, and when u do plant the wizimis' (my new nickname for em now lol) post some pics, were all curious now :smile:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Denman]
    #21795163 - 06/11/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome fucking post, dude.

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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21795280 - 06/11/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Denman knows his shit so take in the wisdom of his posts.


Persian White seed should be White to Bone White coloured. Persian White seeds are always White and are used in cooking to thicken sauces. You can buy these from Indian Grocery stores...>>>:apu:<<<

Izmar seeds that I have are dark coloured seed. Maybe yours are a White variety. Most White flowered poppies have White seed.


Wizi psmi= No farkin' idea. Probably a shortened name of something. Maybe what was suggested above.


Here's a picture of the Red variety Tasmanian poppy and latex colour. These are the good ones:

   


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: karode13]
    #21795338 - 06/11/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



Here's my collection..
Maybe someone can make sense of it..
Notice the brown "persian white" seeds I mentioned, the wizi, and also the close-up bag that I can't read. Looks like it ccould say "wiz" on the bottom perhaps? :confused:


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21795362 - 06/11/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I can run it through my "Super totally real GCMS" machine and make up some bullshit to feed you back if you send some for sampling to me.

shLong pls. I promise I'll never misspell your name again. I'll even put it in my phones dictionary so it doesn't auto correct.

Karode, would you be offended if I fapped to that second picture?

I'm not asking for permission since I already did, just wondering if that's offensive.

Do you guys think a cop walking by could even tell the difference? Are they trained to tell? I don't have a fenced in yard, but you can't see it at all from the road because we have privacy hedges, but 3 or 4 houses down, a sheriff lives.
I wanna get some biodegradable pots, and do it in the fridge so it doesn't have any transplant stress.

You've inspired me shLong, my new goal is to get some Somniferum seeds.
I'm guessing the ones off Amazon are bullshit?
Sorry If I'm jacking your thread, I'll make my own if you'd like.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21795414 - 06/11/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can buy bulk seeds at any grocery store or co-op and use those.


I hear differing opinions about their legality...
Some say legal as long as you don't lance the pods, others say 100% illegal no matter what


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21795419 - 06/11/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Otherwise... Tons of people in the marketplace have PS seeds to trade.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21795902 - 06/12/15 02:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can buy bulk seeds at any grocery store or co-op and use those.


I hear differing opinions about their legality...
Some say legal as long as you don't lance the pods, others say 100% illegal no matter what




Same shit I've heard.

I heard grocery seeds are coated not to grow.

Alas even though we're all such good friends because of how active I am, even being a supporter doesn't give me access to the marketplace. I need 3 months. 6/20 is only two months since I registered on 4/20, I wish an admin could see that I'm a good guy and make an exception since I have like 4 wild cubie prints, and once that grew from injecting STRAIGHT into shit, everyone told me it was a waste and wouldn't grow, I have no pressure cooker but I can pasteurize.

And it grew, if you search Pyschonautica's Poop Project you'll find it.

It only grew on one side though, the left side was prob contaminated, and it was so contaminated I grow a Pan Pap alos with the cubes, the cubes killed the pap and I neveer saw any other sides.

Only yeilded like 3 or 4 grams dry I don't recall exactly but enough for a gnarly trip for a 100 percent free deal. I made the spore syringe myself so it was all free and turned out pretty well.

I know no one wants wild cubes tho, even though I nicknamed the one that syringe straight into poop "the juggernaut" lol.
:frown: once I get to the market place tho ima hop on dat.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21795924 - 06/12/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Store bought seeds will grow.. Definitely..
I believe they're bred for seed production, so they'll be heavy on seeds, but they'll still work.
The few I have growing came from the local food co-op. I forgot about my seed stash this spring.


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21795939 - 06/12/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So what do I look for? Are regular poppy seeds papaver?

Like some bobs red mill, since that seems to be the go to get high brand will grow?

Could your average sherrif tell they're decrotive?
I wouldnt lance for opis because I don't want them out lanced, i'd just pick the pods off and make tea/


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21795944 - 06/12/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A lot of people know what poppies look like.. They don't look for em like they do with weed.. So I can't answer that...

I bought mine at the hippie co-op grocery store by the pound... Got a huge bag so I could throw a lot of seeds down.
McCormick or whatever would work fine. And yes.. All poppy seeds are PS afaik


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21795947 - 06/12/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They know what poppies look like yeah def, the salvation army sells them every year, but do they know its opium poppies and not regular ones?


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21795948 - 06/12/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Idk what strain they use for the seeds, though.

Be curious to find out actually


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    #21795949 - 06/12/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You'd have to ask them :lol: Idk what other people know


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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
    #21795953 - 06/12/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i'll put it in the pub if no one answers here.

Can anyone chime in when it's not 5:30 AM on whether an average LEO can tell the difference between PS and Decorative Poppies?

How many pods per plants, and how many plants would I need? I have a MMJ grow closet from when I lived in a legal state that for plants, so potentially 4 indoor poppies could be culted, more if i could just put them by a window.


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    #21795966 - 06/12/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Prettysure you'd have better luck outdoors. But I don't know much more than what I've already said.

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    #21795972 - 06/12/15 03:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks man. Goodnight yourself too.

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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21796429 - 06/12/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Heya ShLong, and Psychonautica..

About commercial Poppy.. I know some of the seed in commercial poppy for food is in fact (Hungarian blue) or  Hungarian Blue Przemko Breadseed Somniferum Poppy. I have never grown this poppy I have done peony flowered ones..and other decorative Som's, because I didn't want people to go.. oh he's got poppies..lol

Also this might help:
Poppy Seed– Names in different Indian Languages:
Hindi–  Khuskhus , Bengal –  Posto, Gujrati –Khaskhas , Punjabi –  Khuskhus. Tamil - Kasakasa, Urdu – Khukhus

Here is another perhaps usefull link, from the, "spices board of India" website. (Indian government's spice, website):
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21796846 - 06/12/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I got my seeds from world seed supply this year, and other than insect issues ( which no one can blame wss) they are doing great. Their gigs are Definitely gigs lol they're huge. The only disappointment for me was they were advertised as 500 seeds, but what I got was closer to 100, if that. But that's still plenty for a home garden :smile: Good prices too. I also got hens n chics from them this year, I found them to be harder to germinate. Idk why. But they're growing now...

Indoors is tough going man.... It's def worth it to grow outside. Putting them in a window has not worked for anyone that I'm aware of. The biggest prob is they reach for the light, so they grow up and head straight for the window. Then they fall over, and it's simply not enough light for them.
Don't be too overly concerned with germination temps. I'm in zone 7b, I planted in early April as soon as the soil allowed.
That said, I currently have new babies shooting up, just germinating now and it's been in the mid 90's for days... :shrug: although they are popping up in the shadow of the larger plants. This happens to me every year, and I just let em grow. They don't usually survive the intense heat, but some do, and when my others are "done" I do get a few troopers that still grow to flower... Gotta love nature :smile:

As for LE knowing the difference, hard to say. It all depends on Their own knowledge, and wether or not they even care to investigate. As a precaution you could plant some benign poppies out front. A small garden of Shirley's (p. Rhoeas) and the Somni's in the back. The Shirley's practically grow themselves, I barely even tend to mine.  As long as their not lanced on the plant you could play dumb if someone really wants to give a hard time.

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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Denman]
    #21796937 - 06/12/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry missed a few questions....
I see the brownish seeds there shLong. I wonder if it's possible that that's simply "staining" from the O when pods were harvested. Kinda unlikely, but possible if someone lanced too deep and bled it back inside the pod.... Hmmm. I see the Izmir are labeled pure white. I'm not the most experienced with afghans, maybe they are a true "white"? But again I'm kinda used to the reverse. Persian white should be white seed, and the afghans I've grown have been from, and produced brown or very dark colored seed. Could you have mixed the labels?
Either way you'll know for sure when they grow. Here's some of my smaller Persians. I don't have any pics worth posting of an afghan that's actually mine, sorry.



For PSYCHO- number of pods will depend on many factors. Weather usually being a key factor, determining the length of your season. A long "cool" growing season is best for large sized, multi- pod plants. As well as spacing, and proper nutrition as well. The more root space the better, and the overall heartiness of the plant will ultimately determine how many pods it puts out. I have found that removing pods as soon as they are ripe encourages the plant to send up more.
Their whole purpose is to reproduce, so when they lose a seed head, they try to replace it. Sometimes with multiple shoots, etc. IME The most productive plants for shear number of pods are ones with a long growing season. But if u focus on a healthy plant, and good strain, a bunch of single pod plants will still yield high quality O. Which is of course the point :wink:

Except for me I just think they're pretty...:rolleyes:
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