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kactus.brand.g
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
#21787849 - 06/10/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? 
Papaver rhoeas.
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shLong



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Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? 
Papaver rhoeas.
Weak ...thanks, though.
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
#21787863 - 06/10/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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shLong said:

Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? 
Papaver rhoeas.
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shLong said:
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kactus.brand.g said:
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shLong said:

Here they are... I'm guessing they're not Somniferum? 
Papaver rhoeas.
Weak ...thanks, though. 
Hey,they are gorgeous,and I'd love to have some seeds from those!
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
#21787885 - 06/10/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Sham87] 1
#21787914 - 06/10/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No they are not Roheas either.. the leaves have too many hairs.. they look like Papaver orientale. (perennial poppy)
I have grown both varieties, and I can fairly safely say the red ones in the photo with about 99% certainty, are the Orientale. they are very pretty and make great cut flowers for an afternoon. tend to loose petals fast though, as a cut flower.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaver_orientale
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kactus.brand.g
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kizatzhaddarak said: No they are not Roheas either.. the leaves have too many hairs.. they look like Papaver orientale. (perennial poppy)
I have grown both varieties, and I can fairly safely say the red ones in the photo with about 99% certainty, are the Orientale. they are very pretty and make great cut flowers for an afternoon. tend to loose petals fast though, as a cut flower.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaver_orientale
Yeah,I thought so at first too,and I've grown them both.
Papaver rhoeas.

Papaver oriental.

Now you can see why I got slightly confused,but regardless they are not somniferum.
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So...is the pod inside the flower then? I've never seen a mature poppy plant and those pics were technically in someone's backyard, so I didn't wanna hang around too long and arouse suspicion.
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
#21788014 - 06/10/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, since we have a new poster here...any idea what "wizi psmi" would mean...
And the black current ones...are they good?
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
#21789409 - 06/10/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah shLong, the (pod) is the center of the flower, and after it looses its petals. The greenish ball with the purple-blackish stuff on top is the seed-pod /capsule.
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shLong



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 That's what I figured, but wanted to make sure.
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
#21792019 - 06/11/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah wait for them to get fully ripe. wait for the capsule/pod to turn from green to brownish, and the pod will have ripe-seed. I have not read a whole lot about Papaver-orientale and how (active) it is, However, I do know that it is listed in various herbal reference books, so I assume it does have some kind of medical use, if even not the best variety for laytex production.
there is another variety that looks superficially similar to the red-orientale, and Papaver rhoeas. It is Papaver bracteatum, which is very active, and much sought after. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaver_bracteatum
hope that helps.
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It does... Thanks for your time and knowledge.
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kizatzhaddarak said: Yeah wait for them to get fully ripe. wait for the capsule/pod to turn from green to brownish, and the pod will have ripe-seed. I have not read a whole lot about Papaver-orientale and how (active) it is, However, I do know that it is listed in various herbal reference books, so I assume it does have some kind of medical use, if even not the best variety for laytex production.
there is another variety that looks superficially similar to the red-orientale, and Papaver rhoeas. It is Papaver bracteatum, which is very active, and much sought after. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaver_bracteatum
hope that helps. 
NO NO NO NO. NOOOOOO..... DO NOT COMSUME P. BRACTEATUM!!!!!!!
You will get very sick, and possibly (likely) DIE. They produce only Thebaine, which is toxic if consumed. Thebaine is the parent compound of meds like oxycodone, etc, but it MUST be processed properly in a lab, and chemically altered into those meds. Read the thread titled "Warning regarding Tasmanian Poppies" if you want to learn more or see what happens if u eat Thebaine.
Do not consume these in any way shLong or anyone. You will risk death, and at the very least become very sick. They have no recreational value at all.
P. Somniferum is the only recreational poppy, period. Even tho P. Brac contains Thebaine it's still not used to produce anything medicinal yet to my knowledge, and again it requires alot of pharmaceutical processing to make it non-toxic.
Hope that helps, Den
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: Denman]
#21792387 - 06/11/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do not advocate ingestion of ANY substance without extensive research. Many of the plants and fungi that are "recreational" contain other compounds that are at best carcinogenic, and at worst lethal. I totally agree with you. Some people grow these plants for novelty purpose, or as part of a botanical collection.
Anyway,. . again.. and I stress this. (I do not advocate the ingestion of any substance without extensive research, and or the advice of trained medical and or spiritual personelle)
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shLong



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Too late... Just made a 25 gram tea and sent it down the hatch 30 minutes ago.. Oh well, lol #YOLO
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
#21792441 - 06/11/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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About tazzies.. I thought those were some of the best... Weird.
What are the best seeds to sow for opium production then?
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
#21792606 - 06/11/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would go with the purple tazzies lanced all the goo out of em and then made tea from spent pods I think that's the best most efficient method for getting the most opium from your pods I would use my whole plant but it seems the stalks and what not get some kind of mildew, I usually would get aphids and ants all over my poppies thats usually during summer, where im at it just started summer and I harvested about a month ago, I have these shityy little white flies never seem em before tho, I want to plant some more seeds but from what I have encountered is my purple tazzies (Store Bought seed) cant tolerate the heat too much over 85 they start drooping.
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BoomerMan420 said: I would go with the purple tazzies lanced all the goo out of em and then made tea from spent pods I think that's the best most efficient method for getting the most opium from your pods I would use my whole plant but it seems the stalks and what not get some kind of mildew, I usually would get aphids and ants all over my poppies thats usually during summer, where im at it just started summer and I harvested about a month ago, I have these shityy little white flies never seem em before tho, I want to plant some more seeds but from what I have encountered is my purple tazzies (Store Bought seed) cant tolerate the heat too much over 85 they start drooping.
White with purple throat gigs are good too. I agree with lancing, you can eat the raw O and it only takes a tiny little dab, or smoke it for a more stimulating feel. You can save the scored pods and a large portion of the stalk and extract for putty.
I personally hate tea, why brew it up every time and deal with the taste, stomach upset and inconsistency with potency? Just freaking process your whole crop at once and get a few ounces of very user friendly pod putty.
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shLong



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I really wish I would've gotten a lot started earlier this year...
I really really wally want some opium... Bought some over a decade ago and thought it'd be a regular thing.. Never saw it again. 
Now I have 5 plants to hope I get something out of
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Re: A few poppy questions [Re: shLong]
#21793123 - 06/11/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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shLong said: About tazzies.. I thought those were some of the best... Weird.
What are the best seeds to sow for opium production then?
Tazzies are great. The thread was regarding pharm companies in Tazmania and othe locales that have engineered a low morphine High Thebaine poppy, that looks identical to regular Tazzies. The problem was folks hopping the fences and swiping some pods looking for a good time only to seize out and die instead. Sad really...
I brought it up cause it relates directly to Thebaine, and there are some great links in it for more info on poppy alkaloids, etc. Nothing wrong with what we know as Tazzies. Been growing em for a long time, still my favorite.
KIZA- I wasn't trying to jump on you, just wanted to be sure anyone reading this thread would know the potential danger. They may be sought after for aesthetic purposes, but no red value. Someone who is not inclined to do further research than reading this thread could take that as an endorsement with potentially disaster out results. So I certainly wasn't trying to bash you, just throwing in a little harm reduction is all.
Take care, and good luck with your grow shLong, Den
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