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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21787799 - 06/10/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thinking is the opposite of meditation..




It's what I do. When I had my car I wouldn't even listen to music whenever I need to think. I'd take really long drives up the coast in Alaska. Thinking is my meditation.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #21787832 - 06/10/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It is. Try a guided meditation session first.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: s240779]
    #21787840 - 06/10/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And what about 2C-B meditation?


"Some compounds may be more suitable for enhancing meditation practice than are others. I personally have had substantial experience with the phenethylamines, outstanding examples of which are 2C-T-2, 2C-T-7, and 2C-B; the synthetic procedures and physical characteristics of all these are published by Alexander Shulgin. These compounds have the characteristic of having some of the centering qualities of MDMA, yet being more LSD-like than is MDMA without the powerful push of LSD. This lowers the likelihood of the user being trapped in deep pools of repressed material.

Not being as pushy as LSD, these compounds require developing volition to achieve similar levels of experience. This is the same kind of volition that develops the attributes for good meditation practice. Consequently, it is easier to focus attention under their influence; as one develops proficiency in entering the desired state, it is found that the advantage of one compound over another diminishes. The appropriate dose (found by experiement—generally equivalent to 25–50 micrograms of LSD) of most any long-acting psychedelic is helpful."

Do We Still Need Psychedelics? Myron Stolaroff. Zig Zag Zen: Buddhism and Psychedelics. 2002/2015. Alan Hunt-Badiner and Alex Grey (eds.), p. 205. http://www.synergeticpress.com/new-title-zigzagzen/


"For myself, I found training in Tibetan Buddhist meditation a potent adjunct to psychedelic exploration. In learning to hold my mind empty, I became aware that other levels of reality would more readily manifest. It was only in absolute stillness, accompanied by a special, highly developed quality of listening, that many subtle but extremely valuable nuances of reality appeared. While I achieved this to some extent in ordinary practice, I found this effect to be greatly amplified while under the influence of a psychedelic substance. This in turn intensified my daily meditation practice."

Using Psychedelics Wisely: A veteran researcher explains how psychedelics can be used to give beneficial results. Myron Stolaroff. Gnosis, No. 26, Winter, 1993. https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/writings/stolaroff_using.shtml


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: s240779] * 1
    #21787912 - 06/10/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Da2ra I just about killed myself with RC's not 3 weeks ago. The last thing I want to do is RC induced meditation :lol:

Plus 2C-B is hella hard to find outside of darknet.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21788052 - 06/10/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Da2ra I just about killed myself with RC's not 3 weeks ago. The last thing I want to do is RC induced meditation :lol:

Plus 2C-B is hella hard to find outside of darknet.




no one wants to try psilocybin? I find that is the most centering of all psychedelics. Especially large dose of some golden teachers, or I would even say PE but those are a little rough.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21788230 - 06/10/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Zombi3,

I know that it is difficult to know where to go, but start something and start small like 2-3 minutes every day and build a good habit.

Incidentally a couple of years ago I stumbled upon a very simple meditation by Thich Nhat Hahn, it is called aimlessness. Here's how it goes:

Just sit down in a comfortable position and breath deeply and relaxed and let the breath settle. Then just sit there and be in aimlessness, do not plan to go anywhere, do not think of anything, do literally nothing with your body or mind. Just be still. As soon as a thought or a question "wtf am I doin?" comes up, again return to aimlessness.

For me it was a great relief in a time when I wondered what to do - it gave me some relaxation from not knowing where to go.

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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: johnnytheswede]
    #21788277 - 06/10/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So meditation is thinking. I think constantly but there are things that I do when I need to think and be at peace. Meditation is at peace correct. I don't stop thinking so your telling me you can actually shut it off. No you must be. I don't believe that's possible.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #21788314 - 06/10/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So meditation is thinking. I think constantly but there are things that I do when I need to think and be at peace. Meditation is at peace correct. I don't stop thinking so your telling me you can actually shut it off. No you must be. I don't believe that's possible.




To argue what meditation is, is like a mosquito trying to bite an iron bull.

Look, and it can't be seen.
Listen, and it can't be heard.
Reach, and it can't be grasped.

Above, it isn't bright.
Below, it isn't dark.
Seamless, unnamable,
it returns to the realm of nothing.
Form that includes all forms,
image without an image,
subtle, beyond all conception.

Approach it and there is no beginning;
follow it and there is no end.
You can't know it, but you can be it,
at ease in your own life.
Just realize where you come from:
this is the essence of wisdom.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Psy Baba]
    #21788484 - 06/10/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I meditate every day for 20 minutes. Get a timer :thumbup:


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #21788497 - 06/10/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't like meditation timers, I like to meditate until I'm done meditating, if I have a schedule too. Whenever you have a timer set, time is always in your mind, even if you ignore it. Subconsciously you know you're on a time limit, at least that's how I feel.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Psy Baba]
    #21788518 - 06/10/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So meditation is thinking. I think constantly but there are things that I do when I need to think and be at peace. Meditation is at peace correct. I don't stop thinking so your telling me you can actually shut it off. No you must be. I don't believe that's possible.




To argue what meditation is, is like a mosquito trying to bite an iron bull.

Look, and it can't be seen.
Listen, and it can't be heard.
Reach, and it can't be grasped.

Above, it isn't bright.
Below, it isn't dark.
Seamless, unnamable,
it returns to the realm of nothing.
Form that includes all forms,
image without an image,
subtle, beyond all conception.

Approach it and there is no beginning;
follow it and there is no end.
You can't know it, but you can be it,
at ease in your own life.
Just realize where you come from:
this is the essence of wisdom.




But my definition is semi correct right? It's the things I do when I just need some peace and think. When I had a car I'd just leave my music off and drive as far as I could go. Another thing I do is just shoot some hoops by myself. Blow off some steam. Give myself some time to think. My mind doesn't shut off I know breathing techniques I had a middle school teacher that that's how we started our day lights off and everything. But my mind never stops racing.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21788519 - 06/10/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't like meditation timers, I like to meditate until I'm done meditating, if I have a schedule too. Whenever you have a timer set, time is always in your mind, even if you ignore it. Subconsciously you know you're on a time limit, at least that's how I feel.




I think it depends on who you are.  I am with you in that I sit until there is no reason to get up :awesome:.  Some people find a timer allows them to surrender their time without worry because something else is keeping track for them.

There are 1000 paths that lead up the same mountain.  If a timer helps you throw a foot out, than great.  But when the "time" comes, you must also let that go too.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Psy Baba]
    #21788767 - 06/10/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I feel the exact opposite. I delegate all my thoughts about time to the timer and just meditate. Its not like I am sitting under some magical tree all day.

Also I find it very difficult to meditate. The timer helps me to just get on with it and not give up. It often feels like a useless exercise and just when I have had enough of it I have some sort of breakthrough and renewed motivation.

When I meditate in another place (during travel) I can actually feel a deep relaxation come over me within a couple minutes. I do not feel that at home.


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #21788772 - 06/10/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Meditation, the struggle is real :grin:


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Re: Who here meditates daily? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #21791646 - 06/11/15 03:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe that there are as many definitions to meditation as there are people. In my opinion, if you are interested in meditation itself the best thing is to get a qualified teacher of some non-sectarian form of meditation. Why non-sectarian, well if you just want meditation, you might not wanna get an entire apparatus of worship - that is another maze to get lost in, but hey, if you feel at home with worshipping that is fine too - indeed Bhakti (meaning devotion to something, maybe a God or similar) where you just immerse yourself in worship is a form of meditation too. Not my taste, but my full respect to those who feel at home there. (The clip I posted before contains meditation taught by an atheist, i.e. pretty non-sectarian, and straight to the point. I'm not an atheist (nor a theist) but I appreciate the straight-to-the-pointness, and that was where this thread was going: what is meditation?.)

OK, many definitions, however, I believe there is a common trait though, and that is that there needs to some element of practice (usually keeping some focus or focusing on remaining detached) and that one should strive to always, during the practice, be aware of that one is practicing and keeping the focus (maybe the breath, maybe God, maybe sensations in the body, maybe observing the thoughts, etc.). But also not judge oneself if one forgets about it. Dr. David Fontana once wrote a very good book called "The Meditator's Handbook" in which he stressed one thing though and in any form of meditation, there would never occur to the meditator to switch focus or form of meditation during one sitting. A sitting (or whatever position one assumes) is a pretty formal event and the formality gives support to maintaining the focus of the practice.

To just equate meditation to thinking I think is a little too simple. I would say that meditation is a distinct practice, that has some formality (not "just thinking") to it, that (among other things) structures thinking so that our mind becomes more of our tool rather than a burden. I am not there yet, hell my mind bugs me a lot sometimes, but this is my goal (to get a better mind/thinking) and maybe therefore my definition of meditation gets colored by this wishful thinking of mine. (I need to get it!) :-)

Currently I do the form of Zazen where one just sits and observes whatever happens inside, and I regularly find myself getting lost in thought and then I realize, "hey, I'm meditating", and then I return to the focus of remaining a detached observer of what is happening. But then there are moments, I'd say glimmers, where I enjoy a tremendous stillness and there is a peace there that is unspeakable, so I'll pass on trying to pour words out about it. It must be experienced. I thoroughly enjoyed many of the more poetic descriptions in this thread of what meditation is and those descriptions better hint at this.

Thank you guys for this discussion, I'm off to my meditation cushion right now, inspired by this thread.

Kind regards
Johnny



Edited by johnnytheswede (06/11/15 04:39 PM)


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