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Legal Drugs and Phycodelics * 1
    #21783542 - 06/09/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I'm new and I wanted some opinions on my list of legal drugs.  and if anyone knows of anymore that they could add please do.

List:
DXM (Dextromethorphan):It is a dose dependent partial-psychoactive dissociative.  Commonly known as cough medicine its effects are similar to that of PCP and Opiates.
Availability: Everywhere (US)

Benadryl (Diphenhydramine): A deliriant (don't quite know how to spell it) that is similar to very low doses of LSD, I don't recommend it due to it making you feel like a mountain (very heavy).
Availability: Everywhere (US)

Nutmeg (Safrol, Myristicin, and Elemicin):  It is a common spice and it has psychoactive ingredients. Myristicin and Safrol are both similar in chemical structure to that of MMDA and MDMA, and provide a similar feel (not quite as potent though).  Elemicin is what I believe the actual phycoactive part comes from, the chemicals structure is extremely similar to that of Mescaline.  Nutmeg on its own may cause side effects, and due to this it has begun to have a bad reputation.  Most of these side effects can be avoided by getting the "essential oil"  that still contains all of the chemicals.  Elemi (Elemicin) oil is available, but I would recommend taking it with nutmeg oil to activate it (something in nutmeg makes it work correctly)
Availability: Anywhere (US), The oil may have to be internet ordered.

Morning Glory Seeds/ Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds (LSA):  These contain the chemical LSA which is about 1-100 (so I've read) the potency of LSD.  Being seeds they may cause side effects such as nausea, but I honestly believe that a little Dramamine should succumb this.  Their are also extracting methods available.
Available: I think Anywhere (US), Go to Lowes, or flower places

YOPO (DMT, 5-HO-DMT, 5-Meo-DMT):  Yopo is a snuff used by South American Indian tribes in their rituals,  it is fortunately available to sell, distribute, and possess in the US.  Though, it is probably not legal to do, or extract.  It comes from the tree Anadenanthera peregrine. Their is also a less potent sister to the tree called Cebil, that contains mostly 5-HO-DMT (Bufotein).
Availability: Legal in the US, Have to buy from a dealer (website).
Note on Yopo: Due to it containing a schedule 1 drug it might be wise to buy it from a source within the US so you don't have shipping errors.  Also, I've read that it is possible to smoke, but I don't personally know how different it is, some say it doesn't work, some say it does.

Sudafed (Meth or something):Never looked at this one,  its used to make Methamphetamine and is available at pharmacies. Buying it may put you on a watch list though.

And that's all for now.  As far as the stuff goes we have the following alternatives (for like the real stuff):
MDMA/MMDA: Nutmeg
Mescaline: Nutmeg
Opiates: DXM (Chemical structure is like one molecule off of Morphine)
PCP: DXM
DMT: YOPO (actually contains DMT)
Meth/Speed: Sudafed, DXM(Very mild stimulant effects at lower doses)


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: JohnIce]
    #21783552 - 06/09/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the 1000th compilation of legal shitty drugs. This list is everywhere online.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: Zombi3]
    #21783562 - 06/09/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I only see three that are even allowed to be discussed in this forum :peyotezen:


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21783695 - 06/09/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Please at least edit your post as to not suggest to noobs to buy morning glory seeds from a regular store. They are treated and can pose a serious risk.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: bluegill]
    #21784297 - 06/09/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't suppose you have a source for that "treated/serious risk" claim.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: bluegill]
    #21784305 - 06/09/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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bluegill said:
Please at least edit your post as to not suggest to noobs to buy morning glory seeds from a regular store. They are treated and can pose a serious risk.



Morning glory seeds are not treated so get your facts straight, store bought or not :facepalm: you will get sick on morning glories 9 times out of 10 due to how the LAA acts on your body


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: newageshaman]
    #21784629 - 06/09/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Holy shit! I feel like I'm back in Jr. High school.

Can't wait for September!!


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21787738 - 06/10/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The only reason I posted is because not everyone has access to DMT and other "High Quality" Phycodelics.  I know their shitty.  That's why their legal. And side note, Ive done morning glory seeds from Lowes and had no problem...
But none the less they do have I guess "value" in their own way, and if someones dealer like mine has bairly heard of DMT and can provide street acid (could be laced with meth or opiates) I think it would be good to have a alternative shitty or not.  Would rather do shitty drugs or be addicted to something you didn't know was in the ones you bought from your guy?


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: JohnIce]
    #21787804 - 06/10/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey man, from what i have read so far, you should seriously consider some research. I researched psychedelics and legal alternatives for about 2 years before i ever tried them, and as a result, my friends view me as the psychedelic wikipedia haha. I can supply the answer to almost any question on the topic, and if i can't, i tell them.

But mainly, the most important thing to remember is psychedelics are like no other drugs. They hold the power to take your mind to new and exciting creative heights, but there is a dark side.

Psychedelic abuse can lead to many problems "acid casualties" if you will. if you don't respect these chemicals, they will put you right on your ass, or more likely, a mental institution.

As for your post, i would advise you to stay away from dxm due to my own experiences with it. I became psychologically addicted to it, lost my job, car, license, home, friends and family as a result. Not to mention the fact that it is believed to cause olneys lesions, or holes in the brain.

Nutmeg i have tried twice and both times just felt tired as hell and sick as shit. its basically poison, and unless i was in prison, bored as hell, i wouldn't try it again.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: thehoff117]
    #21787903 - 06/10/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Im inclined to think you are not the wikipedia of legal highs after hearing you say any of those could put you in a mental institution and also hearing you say that DXM is believed to cause olneys lesions.

Its pretty well established that DXM does not cause olneys lesions, have you ever been on erowid? Theres 3 articles on the front page of the DXM vault that debunked that myth :lol: You obviously didnt read very far cuz those articles have been up for years..

Sources to back up all your claims please, mr wikipedia, especially the one about any of these sending anyone to the looney bin.

The only thing you got right is DXM can be addictive, weve seen many members here go through DXM addiction.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: thehoff117]
    #21787937 - 06/10/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OP,
I'm not trying to be a dick here but:

1. You are researching psychedelics but you aren't even spelling it right.

2. No one laces acid with meth or opiates.....ever.

3. Trust me. When you make it to high school you will most likely meet some better contacts and "dealers".

Until then just stick to "blazing dank nugs" and drinking apple pucker schnapps. Your day will come young grasshopper. Your time will come.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: thehoff117]
    #21787954 - 06/10/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

thehoff117 said:
Hey man, from what i have read so far, you should seriously consider some research. I researched psychedelics and legal alternatives for about 2 years before i ever tried them, and as a result, my friends view me as the psychedelic wikipedia haha. I can supply the answer to almost any question on the topic, and if i can't, i tell them.

But mainly, the most important thing to remember is psychedelics are like no other drugs. They hold the power to take your mind to new and exciting creative heights, but there is a dark side.

Psychedelic abuse can lead to many problems "acid casualties" if you will. if you don't respect these chemicals, they will put you right on your ass, or more likely, a mental institution.

As for your post, i would advise you to stay away from dxm due to my own experiences with it. I became psychologically addicted to it, lost my job, car, license, home, friends and family as a result. Not to mention the fact that it is believed to cause olneys lesions, or holes in the brain.

Nutmeg i have tried twice and both times just felt tired as hell and sick as shit. its basically poison, and unless i was in prison, bored as hell, i wouldn't try it again.



DXM is perfectly safe.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: rabidz7]
    #21787956 - 06/10/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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rabidz7 said:

DXM is perfectly safe.



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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: Zombi3]
    #21789968 - 06/10/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry for spelling  psychedelics wrong... haha lol ive only said it, never really had to type it.  and as far as the acid thing goes...  they used to lace acid with stricknine (idk how to spell it) back in the day (prolly still do).  they also lace MDMA with shit, ive seen acid laced with PCP.  Its all in quality of the dealer honestly.  I agree that DXM is safe (when used responsibly and without fuckin tylonal).  And even if they don't lace acid with meth or opiates specifically, it, like most other drugs, can be laced with something and has been in the past.  If your in a situation like me, and are on probation and need straight stuff that you know what it contains (to ensure the time you have to have to detox before tests) I would turn to the legal things because, and I am exaggerating, Wallmart is not going to sell you DXM, Benadryl, or even morning glory seeds that are laced with anything that might show up and fuck your shit, even after the main ingredient you knew about is out of your system.

I only posted this at all (and I am sorry for any confusion on where in the forum to place this topic) to provide a more detailed list of hehe "shity drugs"  and what they do and contain.  and by making it seem a bit noobish (I guess)the intent was so that anyone could read and understand it.  I am in no way trying to demine anyones knowledge of all the drugs they have knowledge about.  I remember when I was first visiting this place, I had no fuckin idea what everyone was talking about (until cross reference with Erwid).

anyways...lol can we stop fighting and just have a cool discussion?
as far as I know:
DXM is safe (like said earlier, use responsibly)
LSA is safe (may have side effects in some people, everyone is different)
Nutmeg..... well yeah its made me sick a couple times to, but after it went away it was really fun.
Benadryl... would... not... recommend... (almost killed me, seizers and shit, trippin in the hospital, almost died.)
and Yopo: no one has responded about it honestly? any info?

Drugs can be fun, and I agree with the  psychedelic Wikipedia guy in that they do need to be respected as people are (good and bad side).
almost all of them have side effects, in one way or another.  the same shrooms may give one guy a mind blowing awesome experience, while the other guy could die from them (not likely, but doctors arnt ganna tell u your allergic to shrooms).

Sorry for the long ass post haha, tryin to establish some stuff..


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: JohnIce]
    #21790023 - 06/10/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Phycodelics




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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: Mental Taco]
    #21790269 - 06/10/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You missed kratom, it acts as a opiate, and i got hooked on it for about 5 months, up to 10 gram doses of bali and maeng da.


Theres alot that are legal, but then again illegal, its a matter if you can get them through the mail or not.

Also i read that your on probation, ill tell you one thing.

Im on probation, i was on parole. For 9 months i had drug tests, first 4 months it was weekly, then went to monthly.

In the 5 months that i was monthly, i smoked 3 ounces of dank weed. I could smoke as much as i want, and quit for 5-7 days then pee clean with asprin, and a pot of coffee. You piss so much, you take a full piss, get up three flights of stairs, and have to take a full piss again.

I wouldn't worry about getting laced man, if you get a heads up a day before your test, your good/


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: LSDollar] * 1
    #21790566 - 06/10/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If I could go back in time I would tell myself to stay away from DXM and all RCs when I was a fucking teenager. Stick to the ganja, dude.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: JohnIce]
    #21790589 - 06/10/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody ever laced acid with strychnine. That is a myth. Also, you would be hard pressed to fit enough pcp on a tab of acid to get any effects. RCs are sometimes passed off as LSD though. I have heard good things about yopo, but I have not tried it. If you are worried about drug tests because of probation, you needn't worry about LSD, mushrooms or DMT. They are unlikely to test you for these specific drugs.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: Zombi3]
    #21791104 - 06/11/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Zombi3 said:
Im inclined to think you are not the wikipedia of legal highs after hearing you say any of those could put you in a mental institution and also hearing you say that DXM is believed to cause olneys lesions.

Its pretty well established that DXM does not cause olneys lesions, have you ever been on erowid? Theres 3 articles on the front page of the DXM vault that debunked that myth :lol: You obviously didnt read very far cuz those articles have been up for years..

Sources to back up all your claims please, mr wikipedia, especially the one about any of these sending anyone to the looney bin.

The only thing you got right is DXM can be addictive, weve seen many members here go through DXM addiction.




I don't need proof for this, because I went to the looney bin as a result of dxm, i spent 3 days in a mental institution, the whole time, regretting the fact that i couldn't do any dxm. In fact, it was the first thing i did after i got out.

As far as erowid goes, you should know that a lot of the info on there is out dated. Check the dates on the articles next time, I dare you.

I said that my friends call me that because i have done extensive research on these topics, but i am wise enough to know that no matter how much you think you know, you never know it all.

"i wish there was a way to stop that stomach feeling on acid"
"dramamine"
"yo lets trip again tomorrow"
"gotta wait at leats 5 days or almost double your dose"
"how do you make dmt"
"its a simple acid base extraction" (i could walk you through it but it takes some time)
"i heard shrooms are way more visual than acid"
"it depends from person to person but the general consensus is that acid is more visual"

These are the questions i am referring to, I am by no means an expert on the topic, but after 2 years of research, i know a hell of a lot more than most.

But you bring me to another point, if people would stop trying to criticize each other, maybe we could actually learn something for a change. I'm not trying to say i know more than you. I'm not trying to say i know more than anyone. But what i do know is that i am highly intelligent. Intelligent enough to know that i am not the smartest person on this planet and that no matter how "stupid" someone is, there is always something they know that you don't.

Now i know intelligence intimidates a vast majority of the population. People naturally fear the idea that someone could know more than them, but i personally welcome the idea.

After all, if i knew everything then i would lose my greatest passion, the pursuit of knowledge.

As for dxm and olneys lesions, it may not be true, all i know is that it took me a year after my binge to return to baseline. And even after that, i never went back to normal. This doesn't necessarily mean that i have holes in my brain, but i have never gotten an MRI to prove i do not. It's a cough suppressant, not a recreational drug, and suppressing coughs is all i use it for now.

The shroomery isnt a place for trolls, looking to illicit a reaction from other by casting careless insults. the simple fact is, you don't know me and i don't know you, and we will probably never meet, so who are you to tell me what i know or don't know, and who am i to tell you that you are wrong?

God i wish i could dose the whole world with LSD


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: JohnIce]
    #21791154 - 06/11/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Sorry for spelling  psychedelics wrong... haha lol ive only said it, never really had to type it.  and as far as the acid thing goes...  they used to lace acid with stricknine (idk how to spell it) back in the day (prolly still do).  they also lace MDMA with shit, ive seen acid laced with PCP.  Its all in quality of the dealer honestly.  I agree that DXM is safe (when used responsibly and without fuckin tylonal).  And even if they don't lace acid with meth or opiates specifically, it, like most other drugs, can be laced with something and has been in the past.  If your in a situation like me, and are on probation and need straight stuff that you know what it contains (to ensure the time you have to have to detox before tests) I would turn to the legal things because, and I am exaggerating, Wallmart is not going to sell you DXM, Benadryl, or even morning glory seeds that are laced with anything that might show up and fuck your shit, even after the main ingredient you knew about is out of your system.

I only posted this at all (and I am sorry for any confusion on where in the forum to place this topic) to provide a more detailed list of hehe "shity drugs"  and what they do and contain.  and by making it seem a bit noobish (I guess)the intent was so that anyone could read and understand it.  I am in no way trying to demine anyones knowledge of all the drugs they have knowledge about.  I remember when I was first visiting this place, I had no fuckin idea what everyone was talking about (until cross reference with Erwid).

anyways...lol can we stop fighting and just have a cool discussion?
as far as I know:
DXM is safe (like said earlier, use responsibly)
LSA is safe (may have side effects in some people, everyone is different)
Nutmeg..... well yeah its made me sick a couple times to, but after it went away it was really fun.
Benadryl... would... not... recommend... (almost killed me, seizers and shit, trippin in the hospital, almost died.)
and Yopo: no one has responded about it honestly? any info?

Drugs can be fun, and I agree with the  psychedelic Wikipedia guy in that they do need to be respected as people are (good and bad side).
almost all of them have side effects, in one way or another.  the same shrooms may give one guy a mind blowing awesome experience, while the other guy could die from them (not likely, but doctors arnt ganna tell u your allergic to shrooms).

Sorry for the long ass post haha, tryin to establish some stuff..




We have all got to start somewhere man, and you picked a great place to start, i started on another website that was full of people who didnt care about you or what you thought unless you were a well established member of that community.

Now i am not sure if you CAN be allergic to shrooms, i have never read any case of this at least. I am led to believe though, that if a chemical exists, there is a person that is allergic to it.

I do believe it is very rare though, if it exists at all.

You would know if your LSD is laced because you would taste it. I have never done PCP but i imagine it has a taste. If you ever drop blotter and it tastes like something, spit it out. there is no telling what is on it and it could kill you.

I have tried diphenhydramine before and it is something that i will not do again. it was a very "painful" experience. Like my mind was so beyond drained. Did not feel healthy.

This is honestly the first time i have ever heard of yopo, so i cant really help you with that, but the info is out there. Just make sure you check multiple sources and cross examine the data so you can weed out the propaganda and bull shit.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: thehoff117]
    #21792473 - 06/11/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with thehoff117 in that people fight on internet forums, haha and it should prolly stop. Thank you mirraco for the info on kratom. lol and the guy whos never heard of Yopo,  Its essentialy (ive done a lot of research into it) a seed that contains DMT, Bufotein, and 5-Meo-Dmt... some of the trip reports ive read have been really good and one guy got to go back in time and relive key moments in his life.  I actually have a ounce of Yopo coming here In about a couple weeks (so ill let u know how that goes).

So I want a opinion on what my drug box contains (yes I have a box lol):
I have some weed, (prolly bout 2-3 grams) and a friend of mine who has smoked since the 60s says from 1-100 its prolly 80.

I have catnip (which is a joke, its for my cat hahaha)

I have like 12 fresh nutmegs (the nuts not that preground shit)

I have some cyclobenzaprine and tizanidine

got a hand full of campral (its used for treating alcohol dependency and supposedly cant be abused,  I take like 13 and in pretty stoned)

I had some LSA (im getting more here soon), I did it haha pretty good experience.

I have one 200 mg seroquil, not ganna take that shit again...

But yeah that about sums it up.

Ive had some DXM pills without tylonal in the box.  My dollar store sells straight 15mg pills with just DXM so that's cool.  I did like 450mg once and was talkin to the carpet (pretty stupid stuff haha)

and the guy who said that Benadryl mad him feel -not-healthy-  I agree.  Kinda feels like serouquil does, just not as bad and less demons.


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Re: Legal Drugs and Phycodelics [Re: JohnIce]
    #21792513 - 06/11/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your drug box needs more LSD and mushrooms in it.

DXM isnt worth doing. But it does have hella strong fucking visuals if you mix it with diphenhydramine. Its other worldly shit.


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I was ganna be getting some acid here at some point.  Im thinkin bout extracting LSA and DMT to


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    #21798552 - 06/12/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, idk if anyone still checks this thread or not... but I just got done grinding up (by hand) a bunch of nutmeg and morning glory seeds.  I didn't take any but somehow im trippin a bit.. anyway that lsa could be absorbed through my skin from dry seeds that I ground and touched for like 3 hours? (220 seeds btw)


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    #21798586 - 06/12/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In my opinion there is no way at all you absorbed enough LAA through your skin to trip even a little bit. Placebo my friend.


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