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Learning to solo w guitar
    #21782840 - 06/09/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I haven't dived into many tutorials on this topic yet on YouTube but what advice do you have for learning to solo?  As of right now, I'm just mindlessly playing around with scales I know with and without a jam track. 


What tips or videos would you recommend to help expediate this part of the guitar learning process?


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21782847 - 06/09/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Start worshipping Tosin Abasi.
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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21782853 - 06/09/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't try to solo like a rock star.  Practice basic melody first.  Start with shit like hot cross buns;  play simple lead melodies first before you even think about playing wild rock solos.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21782854 - 06/09/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: stratocast]
    #21782907 - 06/09/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Friedman didn't even learn scales. If you look at the key of E minor you have a completely different set. Find some jam tracks in E and you will see. Once you improve on the locations of all the chords within the given key you can move with the progression of the song without sounding amelodic. Try the circle of fifths in different locations, as well as create different finger independence exercises. Work your way up in speed. Don't always use scales because that shit WILL put you in a box.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #21782919 - 06/09/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My tip: pentatonic scales.

They help so so much I can't even express it. Just learn the 5 positions of the pentatonic scale along the neck of the guitar, and you will have a great starting ground for solo-ing.

Then, you can move on to major scales, etc. As you keep playing, you will find tricks about the guitar that help you solo.

For example, let's talk about CAGED. What this means is if you play a C chord in the open position, you can produce the same sound (a C) by moving up a full step on the neck and playing an A chord. The same can be said by then moving up a full step and playing a G, moving up a step from that and playing an E, and so forth.

This may seem simple, but this tool will allow you to easily find chords at different locations on the neck, enabling you to play across the entire fretboard rather than revert to open positions.

Practice practice practice!


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: stratocast]
    #21782928 - 06/09/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.



Blues scale > pentatonic


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #21782933 - 06/09/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Unless you are learning new chords or just doing warmup exercises, always play with a beat or metronome. Otherwise you'll practice all day and when it comes time to play with a band or actually make music you will be lost.

Look up John petrucci rock discipline on YouTube.

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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21782938 - 06/09/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.



Blues scale > pentatonic




The blues scale is simply five notes of the minor pentatonic, plus a diminished fifth. Learning the pentatonic first will lead you to understand the blues scale.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: stratocast]
    #21782939 - 06/09/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.




That. Once you learn the positions you can play all through the neck in any key as they're transmutable. As you get to know them better they're pretty easy to turn into other scales.

Also, like someone else said; Tosin Abassi :tongue:.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Cepheus]
    #21782954 - 06/09/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also make it a point to practice ear training every day. It's fine to look up tabs to your favorite song, but you're not doing yourself any favors besides just doing it for fun. Try to learn how to play something just from hearing it. Then look up the tabs to see if you were right.

This will help immensely when a band mate plays a riff and you have to figure out what he's playing on the spot.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21782977 - 06/09/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Play to a metronome, study scales/modes/triads (triads are useful as shit)

Everyones like do da pentaternic! That's just one scale of a multitude thats available to you. But it is essentially a good scale to start with.

Also, this is maybe the most important thing:



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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #21783001 - 06/09/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.



Blues scale > pentatonic




The blues scale is simply five notes of the minor pentatonic, plus a diminished fifth. Learning the pentatonic first will lead you to understand the blues scale.



It's the most atonal of the common scales. Yeah it's not much different but someone trying to get out of that first box couldn benefit from that atonality. Soloing takes confidence and if you're not confident in every note, you're not gonna solo. It's gonna sound like shit because you're second guessing yourself. Pentatonic is too basic, imo. And he probably already knows it.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21783293 - 06/09/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

1. OP knows scales already.

2. Knowing scales alone is not goinf to make tou good at soloing.

I suggested learning basic melody because it teaches you different note combinations which challenge your fingers to move in new ways.

don't make the mistake most people make by trying to be joe satrini right out of the gate.  Classical music melody will build the skils and foundations you need.  Do things like play the vocal melody on guitar, or play the melody to sinple clasical songs with a rythmn backing.  It will teach you fundamentals like good timing and note clarity.

and always remember this;  a slow, simple, well played solo will beat a messy, over fancy fast solo every day of the week.  You do not need to be steve vai to play solo, don't be one of the many guitar wankers, keep the feel of the song, don't try to show off too much.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shins]
    #21784645 - 06/09/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice.  Learning to build melody patterns is my new thing to throw into my practice time while also trying to play the minor pentatonic throughout all 5 positions.  I'm gonna look up this Abasi fella too :thumbup:

I have all the boxes memorized with the chord roots in the key of A but moving from box to box is very difficult atm.

I see how their connected but am having growing pains :crazy:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21784661 - 06/09/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't think of the pentatonic as five different positions. Think about the steps and notes you're using. Like the main position, if you follow only the low E, it's the exact same thing. You're only playing one position. You can learn 5 things or one thing that you're gonna get to later anyway.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21784664 - 06/09/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

memorize a scale throughout an entire fretboard until u can play it second-hand

the rest is kinda up to u

it's sort of like dancing

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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21784673 - 06/09/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Learning to traverse the fretboard freely in any key is something that just takes time. You're an explorer layin down a map of its territory. After awhile you know it like the back of your hand.



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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21785337 - 06/09/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

learn your scales, arpeggios, and chords.  familiarize yourself with the fret board and just get to know different chords, arpeggio, and scale shapes.  learn the different modes of the scales too.

scales are key to soloing.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21785345 - 06/09/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Scales aren't key to anything.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785362 - 06/09/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But they sure do help set the tone


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785371 - 06/09/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Scales aren't key to anything.




are you serious? scales are so important to be able to improvise solos.... plus they help your fingers be able to move along the fret board.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21785419 - 06/09/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Scales are what you learn when you don't know better. You can learn all the scales you want but it doesn't teach you anything. If you learn chords and only chords, you can not only create your own scale patterns, in a sense, but say you have a dim chord, suddenly you're soloing using that set of notes. Scales don't teach you 'this sounds like that' it just teaches you how to wail on strings and have it not sound retarded. Scales are for noobs. Sorry.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785428 - 06/09/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you are wrong.  scales are definitely not for noobs.  scales teach you a lot by the way....


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21785435 - 06/09/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wail away young padawan.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785874 - 06/09/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wail away young padawan.




Sancho is certainly right. You cannot deny that scales are crucial. I would bet that even the most pro guitarists would tell you that scales are very important.

Sure, you can solo by ear and feel of the notes, but the underlying basis to what you are playing lies in scales.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785894 - 06/09/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Scales are what you learn when you don't know better.




So wrong and foolish. All musical knowledge is equally important. Any approach that helps one understand the structure of it is valuable.

Da fuck you even talkin about?


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785913 - 06/09/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can learn 5 things or one thing that you're gonna get to later anyway.




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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786040 - 06/09/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Scales are what you learn when you don't know better. You can learn all the scales you want but it doesn't teach you anything. If you learn chords and only chords, you can not only create your own scale patterns, in a sense, but say you have a dim chord, suddenly you're soloing using that set of notes. Scales don't teach you 'this sounds like that' it just teaches you how to wail on strings and have it not sound retarded. Scales are for noobs. Sorry.




The fuck you talking about? Scales are a fundamental component of music theory and composition. Only a noob would say scales are for noobs and you only need chords. A good musician utilizes every possible function available, you don't limit yourself by shunning one of the most rudimentary and necessary things in music :lol:
Scales are the first thing you should learn and even when you are a master of the instrument you still utilize scales.
And a lead guitarist that doesn't know any scales is :rofl:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21786081 - 06/09/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You don't need to learn scales if you learn the theory. Derp. Without that knowledge to utilize the scales, they're just a beginner's tool that is going to bore and annoy. It's a great way to put you in a box. You don't NEED scales. Sorry your ass is raw. Maybe you've got some baby powder around the house for that.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786202 - 06/09/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:
Scales are an integral part of theory.... you have no idea what you are talking about.
I don't really think I need to take advice from you. I was in a touring progressive metal band for 8-9 years, played with Opeth, Dream Theater, Six Feet Under.. etc.
Real musicians know scales. You don't just take a scale and play it up and down and make a song from it :lol: You find roots and fragments and combine with other modes and arpeggios and whatnot. They form the backbone of many riffs and melodies and solos. If you dismiss scales completely, you are limiting yourself significantly, that's all there is to it really. All aspects of music are valid.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21786214 - 06/09/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ha! You're ass is so chapped. You apparently were in a special shitty band and still don't understand. :lol:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786239 - 06/09/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:rolleyes: You really have no idea what you are talking about.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21786267 - 06/09/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

CHAPPED

I have a very good idea of what I'm talking about and I've explained it as much as I'm going to. I'm satisfied with your bewilderment, Mr. Veteran. :tongue2:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786325 - 06/09/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You do realize that chords are made from scales right? A major contains three notes from the A major scale, for example. Saying that scales are useless is almost as dumb as saying notes are useless. Now, if you're trying to say that practicing scales up and down is useless then that's just your opinion I guess.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786331 - 06/09/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nah you're actually full of shit xl caps.

No one is suggesting you just play the scales from top to bottom over and over.

Lets see your amazing skills!


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: searching]
    #21786389 - 06/10/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It must really suck to have all that time playing guitar wasted. :shrug:

I hope you guys haven't been playing too long. :thumbdown:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786401 - 06/10/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, I still don't even understand what the fuck your original point was.

It was spoken like a true laymen.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21786418 - 06/10/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786420 - 06/10/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've been playing for 12 years. This isn't a dick measuring contest.

I want you to explain what the fuck you're talking about. Why is that difficult for you?


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21786432 - 06/10/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I like to pick my guitar up when listening to music sometimes to just pop something out on top. A lot of songs really do have enough room to just play some lead over. Just try to listen if the notes work and get a taste for melody.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: MisterPervy]
    #21786435 - 06/10/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I like to pick my guitar up when listening to music sometimes to just pop something out on top. A lot of songs really do have enough room to just play some lead over. Just try to listen if the notes work and get a taste for melody.




Solid advice. I do this often as well. I only ever learn songs by ear this way anymore.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21786442 - 06/10/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've only recently started to be able to pick things up by ear, and even now it can be hard! Been playing mostly the last 5 years, little bit couple years before but not really, yknow?


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #21786504 - 06/10/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:




I've played guitar/bass for 20 years and drums for longer and music theory for longer... if we are going by experience
Here's some old shit we recorded in a basement when we were 17-18, aka little kids.
No mixing, no mastering, 2 mics on a 4 track.. raw as fuck, circa 1999
[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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That was after about 4 years of playing. We never recorded any pro albums because we were poor but we toured like a motherfucker all over the DC / PA / NC area.
Sorry if I'm not on your level, oh master of music


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21786521 - 06/10/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There are tons of factors involved to solo with the guitar. Its always been challenging for me. One of the most important things is practice every day. Learn all chords in every position and every scale that you can play over them in every position. To me the idea is that you want to learn the guitar like the back of your hand. If you want to learn a song, when you feel comfortable enough learn it by ear.
Aside from paying for private lessons. this is one of the best resources ive come across. You can go download the lessons from this guy's website then watch his youtube videos based of the lessons. He has some really good lessons, theyre even dialed down to how much time you should spend on each practice sesssion.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbA-Tt8ELg8v0d7RdieeZyA

http://www.pbguitarstudio.com


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: brokentv]
    #21786536 - 06/10/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

XLCaps probably thinks this guy is an idiot noob



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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21787249 - 06/10/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:




dude it is you who does not know what you are talking about.  and i am glad i'm not on your level :rolleyes:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21787269 - 06/10/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Quote:

XLCaps said:
I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:




I've played guitar/bass for 20 years and drums for longer and music theory for longer... if we are going by experience
Here's some old shit we recorded in a basement when we were 17-18, aka little kids.
No mixing, no mastering, 2 mics on a 4 track.. raw as fuck, circa 1999
[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
[/flash][/flash]
[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
[/flash][/flash]
That was after about 4 years of playing. We never recorded any pro albums because we were poor but we toured like a motherfucker all over the DC / PA / NC area.
Sorry if I'm not on your level, oh master of music




cool:derp::amusedapplause: :rockman:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21787417 - 06/10/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

XLCaps has been known to ruthlessly stand by bizarre claims as if being wrong is a life or death scenario


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Sheekle]
    #21787430 - 06/10/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21787631 - 06/10/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The worst thing I did for my lead guitar playing was thinking in terms of scales vs. modes. Scales is the linear way to think of it. Modes on the other hand is just geometry and shapes that are easier to reuse and transpose in any key without actually knowing the notes in the scale.

With standard tuning, the best part about the guitar is the geometry and how everything repeats. Don't think of chords as "chords" but also shapes. Chords are just shapes within other shapes (the modes). So really to be good at lead, you have to know what notes to play over the chords so thinking of the shapes from the chord and the lead as being derived from the same math and logic. It really goes hand in hand.

I am an ear player but I make sure I learn enough theory to keep up with my ability. I've been playing for over 10 years and my biggest regret is thinking that modes were only for advanced players. I have only started to become an advanced player by embracing modes, not the other way around.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21788835 - 06/10/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:




You literally have no idea what you are talking about. I think you just dug yourself too deep of a hole to try getting out of. I agree with propensity: why not explain what you are talking about when you say scales are pointless, instead of coming off like a confused know-it-all and screaming at people that their asses are chapped like an idiot.

OP, don't listen to Mr. "scales mean nothing". As you can tell from the people who actually know what they are talking about here, you should get to learn as much theory as you can. Scales are a great place to start learning that theory, especially for solo-ing.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #21788964 - 06/10/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I kinda get what he is saying though. I don't say scales are worthless though. But I get what you guys are saying too. Without some knowledge we just end up striking random notes and end up with noise and not any real melody. So obviously learning some scales can be a good thing. But going back to my previous post, there really are two ways of looking at it. For me, scales require an ass load of memorization if you think of them literally. Breaking the scales down into modes and thinking of it as geometry has been crucial for my playing and improvisation.

I seriously don't even think in terms of scales anymore. It's all shapes and modes for me. I'm pretty severely dyslexic though so it's hard to say if what works me will work for others. :shrug:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: daytripper05]
    #21788977 - 06/10/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You'll notice in my first post of advice I advised OP to study scales, modes and triads.

No one is saying ONLY LEARN SCALES! We're just wondering why XLCaps erroneously thinks they're for scrubs.

I don't think in terms of scales either but they helped me a hell of a lot to slowly build my understanding of modes and my command of the fretboard.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21791176 - 06/11/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

True everything you learn will help dont limit yourself by only learning certain things. The most helpful thing for me at this point was to learn classical style. It will give you a perspective you will not come across otherwise. Plus the strength you develop, i would argue, is unmatched by any other styles.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: daytripper05]
    #21791232 - 06/11/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I kinda get what he is saying though. I don't say scales are worthless though. But I get what you guys are saying too. Without some knowledge we just end up striking random notes and end up with noise and not any real melody. So obviously learning some scales can be a good thing. But going back to my previous post, there really are two ways of looking at it. For me, scales require an ass load of memorization if you think of them literally. Breaking the scales down into modes and thinking of it as geometry has been crucial for my playing and improvisation.

I seriously don't even think in terms of scales anymore. It's all shapes and modes for me. I'm pretty severely dyslexic though so it's hard to say if what works me will work for others. :shrug:




This is exactly how I learned how to play, or at least greatly improve. I don't really do well learning in written terms with music theory.. I need visualization of patterns. That's the best way I learn. So for me, I found the Fretboard Logic and Fretboard Mastery books to be one of the absolute best resources for comprehensive knowledge on practically applying theory. It explains everything in terms of patterns of fretboard, rather than in notes. Much more comprehensive and understandable for some people, especially if you are a more visual learner.

Scales are just one thing in the grand scheme that is music.. in order to strive for mastery, one must understand all aspects. You must also learn arpeggios, modes, triads, chords, modal arpeggios and so on... which by the way.. ARE ALL DERIVED FROM SCALES. Scales are the foundation from which all these things are originally created.. without scales you do not have chords.. derp. Nearly all music in existence can be traced back to a certain scale or root. Most jazz uses a melodic minor.. metal often uses a pentatonic minor/blues scale or harmonic minor.

Learning classical guitar I would agree is highly recommended, it teaches a different kind of discipline but is very essential IMO.


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