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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786420 - 06/10/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've been playing for 12 years. This isn't a dick measuring contest.

I want you to explain what the fuck you're talking about. Why is that difficult for you?


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21786432 - 06/10/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I like to pick my guitar up when listening to music sometimes to just pop something out on top. A lot of songs really do have enough room to just play some lead over. Just try to listen if the notes work and get a taste for melody.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: MisterPervy]
    #21786435 - 06/10/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I like to pick my guitar up when listening to music sometimes to just pop something out on top. A lot of songs really do have enough room to just play some lead over. Just try to listen if the notes work and get a taste for melody.




Solid advice. I do this often as well. I only ever learn songs by ear this way anymore.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21786442 - 06/10/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've only recently started to be able to pick things up by ear, and even now it can be hard! Been playing mostly the last 5 years, little bit couple years before but not really, yknow?


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #21786504 - 06/10/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:




I've played guitar/bass for 20 years and drums for longer and music theory for longer... if we are going by experience
Here's some old shit we recorded in a basement when we were 17-18, aka little kids.
No mixing, no mastering, 2 mics on a 4 track.. raw as fuck, circa 1999
[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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That was after about 4 years of playing. We never recorded any pro albums because we were poor but we toured like a motherfucker all over the DC / PA / NC area.
Sorry if I'm not on your level, oh master of music


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21786521 - 06/10/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There are tons of factors involved to solo with the guitar. Its always been challenging for me. One of the most important things is practice every day. Learn all chords in every position and every scale that you can play over them in every position. To me the idea is that you want to learn the guitar like the back of your hand. If you want to learn a song, when you feel comfortable enough learn it by ear.
Aside from paying for private lessons. this is one of the best resources ive come across. You can go download the lessons from this guy's website then watch his youtube videos based of the lessons. He has some really good lessons, theyre even dialed down to how much time you should spend on each practice sesssion.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbA-Tt8ELg8v0d7RdieeZyA

http://www.pbguitarstudio.com


Edited by brokentv (06/10/15 12:55 AM)


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: brokentv]
    #21786536 - 06/10/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

XLCaps probably thinks this guy is an idiot noob



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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21787249 - 06/10/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:




dude it is you who does not know what you are talking about.  and i am glad i'm not on your level :rolleyes:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21787269 - 06/10/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:




I've played guitar/bass for 20 years and drums for longer and music theory for longer... if we are going by experience
Here's some old shit we recorded in a basement when we were 17-18, aka little kids.
No mixing, no mastering, 2 mics on a 4 track.. raw as fuck, circa 1999
[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
[/flash][/flash]
[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
[/flash][/flash]
That was after about 4 years of playing. We never recorded any pro albums because we were poor but we toured like a motherfucker all over the DC / PA / NC area.
Sorry if I'm not on your level, oh master of music




cool:derp::amusedapplause: :rockman:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21787417 - 06/10/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

XLCaps has been known to ruthlessly stand by bizarre claims as if being wrong is a life or death scenario


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Sheekle]
    #21787430 - 06/10/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21787631 - 06/10/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The worst thing I did for my lead guitar playing was thinking in terms of scales vs. modes. Scales is the linear way to think of it. Modes on the other hand is just geometry and shapes that are easier to reuse and transpose in any key without actually knowing the notes in the scale.

With standard tuning, the best part about the guitar is the geometry and how everything repeats. Don't think of chords as "chords" but also shapes. Chords are just shapes within other shapes (the modes). So really to be good at lead, you have to know what notes to play over the chords so thinking of the shapes from the chord and the lead as being derived from the same math and logic. It really goes hand in hand.

I am an ear player but I make sure I learn enough theory to keep up with my ability. I've been playing for over 10 years and my biggest regret is thinking that modes were only for advanced players. I have only started to become an advanced player by embracing modes, not the other way around.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21788835 - 06/10/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:




You literally have no idea what you are talking about. I think you just dug yourself too deep of a hole to try getting out of. I agree with propensity: why not explain what you are talking about when you say scales are pointless, instead of coming off like a confused know-it-all and screaming at people that their asses are chapped like an idiot.

OP, don't listen to Mr. "scales mean nothing". As you can tell from the people who actually know what they are talking about here, you should get to learn as much theory as you can. Scales are a great place to start learning that theory, especially for solo-ing.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #21788964 - 06/10/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I kinda get what he is saying though. I don't say scales are worthless though. But I get what you guys are saying too. Without some knowledge we just end up striking random notes and end up with noise and not any real melody. So obviously learning some scales can be a good thing. But going back to my previous post, there really are two ways of looking at it. For me, scales require an ass load of memorization if you think of them literally. Breaking the scales down into modes and thinking of it as geometry has been crucial for my playing and improvisation.

I seriously don't even think in terms of scales anymore. It's all shapes and modes for me. I'm pretty severely dyslexic though so it's hard to say if what works me will work for others. :shrug:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: daytripper05]
    #21788977 - 06/10/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You'll notice in my first post of advice I advised OP to study scales, modes and triads.

No one is saying ONLY LEARN SCALES! We're just wondering why XLCaps erroneously thinks they're for scrubs.

I don't think in terms of scales either but they helped me a hell of a lot to slowly build my understanding of modes and my command of the fretboard.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21791176 - 06/11/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

True everything you learn will help dont limit yourself by only learning certain things. The most helpful thing for me at this point was to learn classical style. It will give you a perspective you will not come across otherwise. Plus the strength you develop, i would argue, is unmatched by any other styles.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: daytripper05]
    #21791232 - 06/11/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I kinda get what he is saying though. I don't say scales are worthless though. But I get what you guys are saying too. Without some knowledge we just end up striking random notes and end up with noise and not any real melody. So obviously learning some scales can be a good thing. But going back to my previous post, there really are two ways of looking at it. For me, scales require an ass load of memorization if you think of them literally. Breaking the scales down into modes and thinking of it as geometry has been crucial for my playing and improvisation.

I seriously don't even think in terms of scales anymore. It's all shapes and modes for me. I'm pretty severely dyslexic though so it's hard to say if what works me will work for others. :shrug:




This is exactly how I learned how to play, or at least greatly improve. I don't really do well learning in written terms with music theory.. I need visualization of patterns. That's the best way I learn. So for me, I found the Fretboard Logic and Fretboard Mastery books to be one of the absolute best resources for comprehensive knowledge on practically applying theory. It explains everything in terms of patterns of fretboard, rather than in notes. Much more comprehensive and understandable for some people, especially if you are a more visual learner.

Scales are just one thing in the grand scheme that is music.. in order to strive for mastery, one must understand all aspects. You must also learn arpeggios, modes, triads, chords, modal arpeggios and so on... which by the way.. ARE ALL DERIVED FROM SCALES. Scales are the foundation from which all these things are originally created.. without scales you do not have chords.. derp. Nearly all music in existence can be traced back to a certain scale or root. Most jazz uses a melodic minor.. metal often uses a pentatonic minor/blues scale or harmonic minor.

Learning classical guitar I would agree is highly recommended, it teaches a different kind of discipline but is very essential IMO.


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