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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785362 - 06/09/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But they sure do help set the tone


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785371 - 06/09/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Scales aren't key to anything.




are you serious? scales are so important to be able to improvise solos.... plus they help your fingers be able to move along the fret board.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21785419 - 06/09/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Scales are what you learn when you don't know better. You can learn all the scales you want but it doesn't teach you anything. If you learn chords and only chords, you can not only create your own scale patterns, in a sense, but say you have a dim chord, suddenly you're soloing using that set of notes. Scales don't teach you 'this sounds like that' it just teaches you how to wail on strings and have it not sound retarded. Scales are for noobs. Sorry.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785428 - 06/09/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you are wrong.  scales are definitely not for noobs.  scales teach you a lot by the way....


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21785435 - 06/09/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wail away young padawan.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785874 - 06/09/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wail away young padawan.




Sancho is certainly right. You cannot deny that scales are crucial. I would bet that even the most pro guitarists would tell you that scales are very important.

Sure, you can solo by ear and feel of the notes, but the underlying basis to what you are playing lies in scales.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785894 - 06/09/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Scales are what you learn when you don't know better.




So wrong and foolish. All musical knowledge is equally important. Any approach that helps one understand the structure of it is valuable.

Da fuck you even talkin about?


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21785913 - 06/09/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can learn 5 things or one thing that you're gonna get to later anyway.




Wail away.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786040 - 06/09/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Scales are what you learn when you don't know better. You can learn all the scales you want but it doesn't teach you anything. If you learn chords and only chords, you can not only create your own scale patterns, in a sense, but say you have a dim chord, suddenly you're soloing using that set of notes. Scales don't teach you 'this sounds like that' it just teaches you how to wail on strings and have it not sound retarded. Scales are for noobs. Sorry.




The fuck you talking about? Scales are a fundamental component of music theory and composition. Only a noob would say scales are for noobs and you only need chords. A good musician utilizes every possible function available, you don't limit yourself by shunning one of the most rudimentary and necessary things in music :lol:
Scales are the first thing you should learn and even when you are a master of the instrument you still utilize scales.
And a lead guitarist that doesn't know any scales is :rofl:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21786081 - 06/09/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You don't need to learn scales if you learn the theory. Derp. Without that knowledge to utilize the scales, they're just a beginner's tool that is going to bore and annoy. It's a great way to put you in a box. You don't NEED scales. Sorry your ass is raw. Maybe you've got some baby powder around the house for that.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786202 - 06/09/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:
Scales are an integral part of theory.... you have no idea what you are talking about.
I don't really think I need to take advice from you. I was in a touring progressive metal band for 8-9 years, played with Opeth, Dream Theater, Six Feet Under.. etc.
Real musicians know scales. You don't just take a scale and play it up and down and make a song from it :lol: You find roots and fragments and combine with other modes and arpeggios and whatnot. They form the backbone of many riffs and melodies and solos. If you dismiss scales completely, you are limiting yourself significantly, that's all there is to it really. All aspects of music are valid.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21786214 - 06/09/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ha! You're ass is so chapped. You apparently were in a special shitty band and still don't understand. :lol:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786239 - 06/09/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:rolleyes: You really have no idea what you are talking about.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shroomism]
    #21786267 - 06/09/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

CHAPPED

I have a very good idea of what I'm talking about and I've explained it as much as I'm going to. I'm satisfied with your bewilderment, Mr. Veteran. :tongue2:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786325 - 06/09/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You do realize that chords are made from scales right? A major contains three notes from the A major scale, for example. Saying that scales are useless is almost as dumb as saying notes are useless. Now, if you're trying to say that practicing scales up and down is useless then that's just your opinion I guess.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786331 - 06/09/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nah you're actually full of shit xl caps.

No one is suggesting you just play the scales from top to bottom over and over.

Lets see your amazing skills!


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: searching]
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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: searching]
    #21786389 - 06/10/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It must really suck to have all that time playing guitar wasted. :shrug:

I hope you guys haven't been playing too long. :thumbdown:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21786401 - 06/10/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, I still don't even understand what the fuck your original point was.

It was spoken like a true laymen.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21786418 - 06/10/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I really don't think you guys know what you're talking about is all. Did you just start playing or..? I've been playing for eight years, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not my fault if you're not on my level. :sorry:


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