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Learning to solo w guitar
    #21782840 - 06/09/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I haven't dived into many tutorials on this topic yet on YouTube but what advice do you have for learning to solo?  As of right now, I'm just mindlessly playing around with scales I know with and without a jam track. 


What tips or videos would you recommend to help expediate this part of the guitar learning process?


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21782847 - 06/09/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Start worshipping Tosin Abasi.
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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21782853 - 06/09/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't try to solo like a rock star.  Practice basic melody first.  Start with shit like hot cross buns;  play simple lead melodies first before you even think about playing wild rock solos.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21782854 - 06/09/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: stratocast]
    #21782907 - 06/09/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Friedman didn't even learn scales. If you look at the key of E minor you have a completely different set. Find some jam tracks in E and you will see. Once you improve on the locations of all the chords within the given key you can move with the progression of the song without sounding amelodic. Try the circle of fifths in different locations, as well as create different finger independence exercises. Work your way up in speed. Don't always use scales because that shit WILL put you in a box.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #21782919 - 06/09/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My tip: pentatonic scales.

They help so so much I can't even express it. Just learn the 5 positions of the pentatonic scale along the neck of the guitar, and you will have a great starting ground for solo-ing.

Then, you can move on to major scales, etc. As you keep playing, you will find tricks about the guitar that help you solo.

For example, let's talk about CAGED. What this means is if you play a C chord in the open position, you can produce the same sound (a C) by moving up a full step on the neck and playing an A chord. The same can be said by then moving up a full step and playing a G, moving up a step from that and playing an E, and so forth.

This may seem simple, but this tool will allow you to easily find chords at different locations on the neck, enabling you to play across the entire fretboard rather than revert to open positions.

Practice practice practice!


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: stratocast]
    #21782928 - 06/09/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.



Blues scale > pentatonic


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #21782933 - 06/09/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Unless you are learning new chords or just doing warmup exercises, always play with a beat or metronome. Otherwise you'll practice all day and when it comes time to play with a band or actually make music you will be lost.

Look up John petrucci rock discipline on YouTube.

Also look up lessons from Joe satriani. He is the true grand master.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21782938 - 06/09/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.



Blues scale > pentatonic




The blues scale is simply five notes of the minor pentatonic, plus a diminished fifth. Learning the pentatonic first will lead you to understand the blues scale.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: stratocast]
    #21782939 - 06/09/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.




That. Once you learn the positions you can play all through the neck in any key as they're transmutable. As you get to know them better they're pretty easy to turn into other scales.

Also, like someone else said; Tosin Abassi :tongue:.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Cepheus]
    #21782954 - 06/09/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also make it a point to practice ear training every day. It's fine to look up tabs to your favorite song, but you're not doing yourself any favors besides just doing it for fun. Try to learn how to play something just from hearing it. Then look up the tabs to see if you were right.

This will help immensely when a band mate plays a riff and you have to figure out what he's playing on the spot.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21782977 - 06/09/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Play to a metronome, study scales/modes/triads (triads are useful as shit)

Everyones like do da pentaternic! That's just one scale of a multitude thats available to you. But it is essentially a good scale to start with.

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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #21783001 - 06/09/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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stratocast said:
Learn the minor pentatonic scale in all five positions. Practice moving between those different positions.



Blues scale > pentatonic




The blues scale is simply five notes of the minor pentatonic, plus a diminished fifth. Learning the pentatonic first will lead you to understand the blues scale.



It's the most atonal of the common scales. Yeah it's not much different but someone trying to get out of that first box couldn benefit from that atonality. Soloing takes confidence and if you're not confident in every note, you're not gonna solo. It's gonna sound like shit because you're second guessing yourself. Pentatonic is too basic, imo. And he probably already knows it.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21783293 - 06/09/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

1. OP knows scales already.

2. Knowing scales alone is not goinf to make tou good at soloing.

I suggested learning basic melody because it teaches you different note combinations which challenge your fingers to move in new ways.

don't make the mistake most people make by trying to be joe satrini right out of the gate.  Classical music melody will build the skils and foundations you need.  Do things like play the vocal melody on guitar, or play the melody to sinple clasical songs with a rythmn backing.  It will teach you fundamentals like good timing and note clarity.

and always remember this;  a slow, simple, well played solo will beat a messy, over fancy fast solo every day of the week.  You do not need to be steve vai to play solo, don't be one of the many guitar wankers, keep the feel of the song, don't try to show off too much.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: Shins]
    #21784645 - 06/09/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice.  Learning to build melody patterns is my new thing to throw into my practice time while also trying to play the minor pentatonic throughout all 5 positions.  I'm gonna look up this Abasi fella too :thumbup:

I have all the boxes memorized with the chord roots in the key of A but moving from box to box is very difficult atm.

I see how their connected but am having growing pains :crazy:


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21784661 - 06/09/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't think of the pentatonic as five different positions. Think about the steps and notes you're using. Like the main position, if you follow only the low E, it's the exact same thing. You're only playing one position. You can learn 5 things or one thing that you're gonna get to later anyway.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: cez]
    #21784664 - 06/09/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

memorize a scale throughout an entire fretboard until u can play it second-hand

the rest is kinda up to u

it's sort of like dancing

u figure it out urself


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21784673 - 06/09/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Learning to traverse the fretboard freely in any key is something that just takes time. You're an explorer layin down a map of its territory. After awhile you know it like the back of your hand.



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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: propensity]
    #21785337 - 06/09/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

learn your scales, arpeggios, and chords.  familiarize yourself with the fret board and just get to know different chords, arpeggio, and scale shapes.  learn the different modes of the scales too.

scales are key to soloing.


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Re: Learning to solo w guitar [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21785345 - 06/09/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Scales aren't key to anything.


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