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sbc1
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: sbc1]
#21782617 - 06/09/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Me to daytripper im getting 3g off 100g
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21782654 - 06/09/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you are getting red waxy stuff in your DMT, I bet you are sucking up small particles of your alkaline soup. Try getting a glass pipette from Amazon for $4. It's 10x more accurate when pulling your naptha.
I have several sizes of these and they work great. I like to keep a couple on hand because if suck up the alkaline soup, it starts to stick to the glass. I use a clean dry pipette if the other gets dirty.
http://www.amazon.com/SEOH-Dropping-Pipette-Pipet-250mm/dp/B00KI25US2/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1433867340&sr=1-1&keywords=glass+pipette
Also, try pulling in a more narrow extraction vessel. I use a 1L erlenmeyer flask and during the final pull I use the most narrow part of the neck to ensure I get a nice clean pull. I have a glass turkey baster and I honestly don't know why/how people use those. They are great for sucking up large volumes of liquid, but pretty poor for precision.
One thing I also do before I do a Mini A/B... I pull all my naptha into a glass beaker. I cover with plastic wrap between pulls to keep moisture/air out. Once all my pulls are done, any sediment with sink to the bottom. I them use my baster and pipettes to suck off the naptha from this beaker into another. All the tiny amounts of sediment that get sucked up with be at the bottom of the beaker (or stuck to the sides). At this point, my naptha is just yellow and slightly cloudy, but absolutely no sediment.
Then once you go to the mini A/B, you suck the yellow naptha back off the top and you are left with a really white product.
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sbc1
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21782665 - 06/09/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: The naptha isn't the whole defat step..theres a lot of gunk the naptha cant get, so I use a turkey baster and some other materials to suck up the gunk fatty stuff. after I do that, then I do the naptha step.
I will try to add more lye, but awhile ago I remember having better/cleaner yields when I used less naptha. When I was using 50g lye, half my yield was red waxy stuff. After I lowered it down to 35g, I was getting much less red stuff and more powder.
The lye will have nothing to do with it if you do the mini a/b or a re-ex it will clean your spice up, its probably because your base is to hot or your pulling a bit of your base, also don't powder your bark you end up with fine particles in your naphtha, plus acasia has more fats and oils than mimosa, just follow that what I put and do the mini a/b and you'll be good
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: sbc1]
#21782705 - 06/09/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok thanks guys
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mustangbob3
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21782761 - 06/09/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry for the noobish question bill but is ACRB acacia root bark?
would love to give this a try! 
never tried dmt before.
edit: my 1000th post and my journey has finally has turned a corner and led me to the start of another path...
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sbc1
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: mustangbob3]
#21782777 - 06/09/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: sorry for the noobish question bill but is ACRB acacia root bark?
would love to give this a try! 
Yeah acacia confusa and mhrb is mimosa hostilis root bark
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mustangbob3
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: sbc1]
#21782785 - 06/09/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks!
1 more thing when you said 'roll for 5 mins'
is that to roll the liquid round the glass?
just trying to get my head around the process and a few terms are unfamiliar to me.
thanks for the help!
what yeilds more mimosa or acacia? sorry again for the questions
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Edited by mustangbob3 (06/09/15 11:19 AM)
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daytripper05
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: mustangbob3] 1
#21782901 - 06/09/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Acasia confusa is they way to go right now in the US. Quality mimosa is harder to obtain since there aren't many (if any) quality vendors left distributing from within the US. You can't get it on ebay anymore for example. Even though the legality around mimosa hasn't changed, people aren't using it as much any more since it's harder to obtain quality bark.
The ACRB I am getting is just as bit as good as mimosa yields, if not better. The only difference if you have to spend more time on a clean up step, the mini a/b unless you want to consume the goo. I like both personally, but good clean crystal is just so more cool and has a real "wow" factor when you show it to people.
As to what yields more entirely depends on the bark itself, extraction process, and materials used. I went the extra mile and bought all lab grade glass wear and a hot plate magnetic stirrer so it's easier for me to get higher yields even with the margin of error (spilling drops of naptha from the pulls, etc). But at the end of the day, it all goes back to the bark.
Order 500g or less from a vendor until you find a vendor that gives you yields over 2%. The first couple times you might get poor yields due to process. But eventually you get the process down and it's reliable and you can count on X yield once you know how good you bark is.
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sbc1
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: mustangbob3] 1
#21782909 - 06/09/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: thanks!
1 more thing when you said 'roll for 5 mins'
is that to roll the liquid round the glass?
just trying to get my head around the process and a few terms are unfamiliar to me.
thanks for the help!
what yeilds more mimosa or acacia? sorry again for the questions
Yeah as if you were peddling a bike, your best off with mimosa it has less fats and oils so you don't need a defat or mini a/b but acacia is probably more available
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sbc1
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: sbc1]
#21782915 - 06/09/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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As daytripper said, I'm in the uk so can get either, I prefer mimosa
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daytripper05
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: sbc1]
#21782922 - 06/09/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yup, 100% agree. If I could mimosa ordered to my house without being suspected of you know what... I would get it save the time. The mini A/B basically adds another day to the process. I do the main extraction on day 1, and the mini a/b and then start the freeze precip on day 2. It's a pain, but worth it for clean crystal.
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: daytripper05]
#21782980 - 06/09/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks good bill. I will have to try this in a couple of weeks.
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: Mescalitoe]
#21783004 - 06/09/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dang man. I'm seeing a lot of folks on the shroomery do these DMT extractions now. Makes me want to try...
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sbc1
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: daytripper05] 1
#21783005 - 06/09/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: Yup, 100% agree. If I could mimosa ordered to my house without being suspected of you know what... I would get it save the time. The mini A/B basically adds another day to the process. I do the main extraction on day 1, and the mini a/b and then start the freeze precip on day 2. It's a pain, but worth it for clean crystal.
Yeah me to mate, worth it in the end
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mustangbob3
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: Mescalitoe]
#21783048 - 06/09/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks again guys you rock
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: mustangbob3]
#21783064 - 06/09/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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@Bill I often get different crystal densities too. Must be difficult for people without a scale, cause 50mg really can look like 150 sometimes. I think the density depends on how fast you freeze precipitate the crystals. If you put the warm naphtha straight into the freezer, it will all precipitate quickly as light, fluffy, snow-like powder. Letting it settle to room temp, then fridge, then freezer over a period of time allows the crystals to precipitate on themselves, creating less but denser crystals when scraped up.
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: sbc1]
#21783190 - 06/09/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeahh , gj bill 
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Icon said: @Bill I often get different crystal densities too. Must be difficult for people without a scale, cause 50mg really can look like 150 sometimes. I think the density depends on how fast you freeze precipitate the crystals. If you put the warm naphtha straight into the freezer, it will all precipitate quickly as light, fluffy, snow-like powder. Letting it settle to room temp, then fridge, then freezer over a period of time allows the crystals to precipitate on themselves, creating less but denser crystals when scraped up.
makes sense judging from my past extraction . I think freezing time also does play a role in this , I get less but denser crystals when I let it sit in the freezer for a longer period of time .
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sbc1 said: Me to daytripper im getting 3g off 100g
Dude that's insane
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: Icon]
#21783255 - 06/09/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icon said: @Bill I often get different crystal densities too. Must be difficult for people without a scale, cause 50mg really can look like 150 sometimes. I think the density depends on how fast you freeze precipitate the crystals. If you put the warm naphtha straight into the freezer, it will all precipitate quickly as light, fluffy, snow-like powder. Letting it settle to room temp, then fridge, then freezer over a period of time allows the crystals to precipitate on themselves, creating less but denser crystals when scraped up.
yeah mine are really fluffy snow-like powder type crystals.
does this mean I will need to smoke what looks like 150mg to breakthrough?? because that's next to impossible.
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21783341 - 06/09/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
yeah mine are really fluffy snow-like powder type crystals.
does this mean I will need to smoke what looks like 150mg to breakthrough?? because that's next to impossible.
Not sure haha, I guess so. Could liquify it onto some leaves or something more manageable to smoke.
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sbc1
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Re: Bill Oreilly is getting good at extracting... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21783470 - 06/09/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Icon said: @Bill I often get different crystal densities too. Must be difficult for people without a scale, cause 50mg really can look like 150 sometimes. I think the density depends on how fast you freeze precipitate the crystals. If you put the warm naphtha straight into the freezer, it will all precipitate quickly as light, fluffy, snow-like powder. Letting it settle to room temp, then fridge, then freezer over a period of time allows the crystals to precipitate on themselves, creating less but denser crystals when scraped up.
yeah mine are really fluffy snow-like powder type crystals.
does this mean I will need to smoke what looks like 150mg to breakthrough?? because that's next to impossible.
No definitely don't smoke 150mg you'll still only need between 20 and 50mg, 50mg is still 50mg at the end of the day
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Edited by sbc1 (06/09/15 02:21 PM)
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