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Re: Cheapest, easiest bulk [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21790528 - 06/10/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What is your average yield per 4 cake tub vs 4 stand alone cakes? Just because the mushrooms are bigger in the tub vs the mushrooms on the cakes, doesn't mean the yield increased.


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Re: Cheapest, easiest bulk [Re: insanemike]
    #21790636 - 06/10/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its always about the same... That last tub was about 1.5 dry. Just under. This is one flush. I dont usually keep anything past the first if it does its job and im wanting to clean up.

Im all for cake grows and as you can see , ive had some bad ass cakes in the past but if I can pull four cakes and get good harvests with just plain coir / Vermiculite then I stick with this out of ease. I love coir and sometimes add straw to coir but usually stick with straw for Panaelous.

All I can say is give it a try, if you dont believe that cakes alone aren't good spawn , try it out. Its the only way to find out :wink:


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Re: Cheapest, easiest bulk [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21790921 - 06/10/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Re: Spawning cakes, I'm surprised you could get a yield similar to .75qt of grain with 4 cakes, that's pretty impressive, but still very space inefficient done in a 48qt tub.

I did my first grow from a print as well.
You will definitely want a still air box to create your syringe in.

All you need for a still air box is a 60+ qt tote.  You can cut the holes by drawing an ourline, drilling small holes around that outline, then slicing between them with a thin sharp boning knife with the handle angled outside the cicle. two plastic flaps over the holes is all you need.

If you have lots of shelving space, an greenhouse FC like this would be good, though it's definitely more involved than a monotub:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18093959#18093959

Since you haven't modified your jar lids yet, you can use this easy method to make them:
Trace the the outline of the jar lids onto postal tyvek and cut out the circle.  Rubberside up, puncture the jar lids with a nail.  Put the tyvek between the lid and he ring.  Cover with foil in the PC to prevent water leaking in.  Made this way, these containers will continue to serve you as grain petris for cloning and testing, unlike PF jars which would need to be modified again for such a purpose.

Your cheapest option is then this:
Wild Bird Seed for spawn
60qt tote for still air box + drill
2x Dollartree Aluminum Pans with plastic lids + soldering iron
2x spray bottles, one for misting, one for soaping the still air box
postal tyvek for half-pint lids, use the half with the sticky stip to make sleeves
gloves - nitrile is best
Syringe 12cc+
Vermiculite + Coir for casing and bulk substrate

Syringe Tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/8403/Psilocybers-syringe-tek

Bird Seed Prep:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5265629/fpart/all/vc/1
3/4 cup per half pint will be fine, expansion ratio is about 1.7, so use 5.3 cups, 60min should be plenty to sterilize half-pints of bird seed.

In the air box, give each jar .5 cc squirt down each wall.
When you see two large white stripes on each side have developed, shake vigorously.  Colonization will complete 4-6 days later.

Bulk: Coir is easier, and you would need to buy similar materials simply to case your Poo/Straw, so it won't really be cheaper even though it's free.  Add 2.25qt of water to half a brick of coir, add 1qt verm, nuke it for 10-12mins in a bowl with a plate over it, and let it sit for 2hrs or so.  Then set asside 1.5qt, mix in your spawn with the rest once it's cooled off, fill your two pans, dump the excess 1.5qt over the two pans to cover the exposed grains, and cover the pans with the unmodified lids to colonize.

Foil pan minitubs, line with a piece of trash bag, hold on with clothes pins while putting in the sub.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15982524

Anyway, I think Frank's bulk thread is the best.  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837 ; Since you will attempt to use small jars, I have suggested a few modifications (pans for fruiting, microwave pasturizing coir, and Fooman's WBS prep because I really like it, and it's super hard to mess up.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Cheapest, easiest bulk [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21791553 - 06/11/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

these are actually quarter pints... i found a brick of coir under my sink. should i get bigger jars?


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Re: Cheapest, easiest bulk [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21791588 - 06/11/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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tryptkaloids said:
these are actually quarter pints... i found a brick of coir under my sink. should i get bigger jars?



Yes!  A brick of coir will hydrate to 8 quarts or so.


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Re: Cheapest, easiest bulk [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21793476 - 06/11/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The coir will not be typically used in your jars.  If you want any kind of serious volume, quarter pints will be almost useless.

Get Polypropylene Quart contains, as they can go through the pressure cooker.  You can't usually PC as many at the same time, but they cool off fast and are cheap.  Look at the dollar store for ones that don't feel to flimsy.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Cheapest, easiest bulk [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21793509 - 06/11/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Cakes are a good spawn. You just need a cheese grater. In fact for outdoor stuff you should use cakes over grains. Animals love grains and will ruin your patch.

I would also do a cvg first time around. Mudas bucket tek


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Re: Cheapest, easiest bulk [Re: Mad Season]
    #21794332 - 06/11/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ShroominMe said:
Yes!  A brick of coir will hydrate to 8 quarts or so.




holy spawn! what kind of yield would that have?

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The coir will not be typically used in your jars.  If you want any kind of serious volume, quarter pints will be almost useless.

Get Polypropylene Quart contains, as they can go through the pressure cooker.  You can't usually PC as many at the same time, but they cool off fast and are cheap.  Look at the dollar store for ones that don't feel to flimsy.



I wasn't planning on using these jars for anything once i found out they were quarter pints. i will definately look into those. i decided on an adaptation based mostly on frank's bulk thread. with the tin pan chamber

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Cakes are a good spawn. You just need a cheese grater. In fact for outdoor stuff you should use cakes over grains. Animals love grains and will ruin your patch.

I would also do a cvg first time around. Mudas bucket tek




thanks good to know. will keep that in mind for next year.


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Re: Cheapest, easiest bulk [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21795672 - 06/12/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dollartree has Twist Top Polypropyline (PP5, recylcing #5) twist top plastic containers of solid quality @ 1$ for 2.  You can probably buy them online from dollartree as well.  Ziplock twist n locks are a bit pricier.

The cool thing about twist tops, is that if you have a still air box (SAB,) you don't need to modify the lids add all.  Simply leave the lids about 2/3 twisted on with just enough air space in between the threads so that steam from the pressure cooker can enter and they won't be crushed.  Then just wash your hands before you open the PC and twist the lids shut as you remove them.  You may need to barely twist the lids open during a slower (IE spore solution) colonization phase to allow CO2 to escape.

I suggest you read the V-tek thread which contains info about twist tops, and a bunch of other fascinating information.  I think V-tek actually grows the nicest mushrooms, but isn't quite ideal for starting out and requires some kind of annoying fruiting setups and a bit more finesse.  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19167498#19167498


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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