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lutherarkwright93
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I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS]
#21781291 - 06/08/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I was surveying the sorry state of my monotub this evening a day after finding a massive sporesplosion due to a day of neglect and letting a flush over-mature.
I'm looking close at the sub to evaluate moisture and such, and I can see that where the black liner had separated from the sub, there was a lot of activity along the sides. I started really looking and there's enough room now to be able to feel along the sides. I feel this big protrusion where the liner is still sealed to the sub, so I peel it back and see this fat stem twisting around. I'm curious what I've got, so I grab it gently and start wriggling it slowly to see if I can pull her out intact. It was pretty surprising, like pulling a big fish out of the water on my pole. Here's a pic:

At this point I can tell there's a lot going on under the liner, and it clearly isn't stopping side-pinning. I figure I can dunk her and while she's floating I'll remove the liner. She seems like she could use a dunk anyway maybe it'll wash some of the spore drop off along the way....
Once I got the liner off, I found this:
    
I decided that I've gotten a decent haul from the tub thus far. I wouldn't be terribly upset if she didn't put out another fruit. Maybe it's a terrible idea, but what if I were to take out the poly and carefully flip the sub over and put her back in upside-down as an experiment.
Keep in perspective this is what the top looks like right now:

I think regardless the sides are going to give me a nice flush.
I just want to get opinions on this.
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: lutherarkwright93]
#21781309 - 06/08/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've done a lot of tubs and I've never seen the sides perform better than the top. Even in second flushes where I've stood the substrate on it's side. ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21062947 )
You've got hella aborts all over the sub. This indicates that conditions are NOT right at substrate level.
I usually hold back from judging conditions like this but it's clear that you have zero humidity at the surface. You're getting aborts because the substrate is drying out and the only place conditions are right are around the sides.
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Edited by elasticaltiger (06/08/15 11:37 PM)
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lutherarkwright93
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: elasticaltiger]
#21781418 - 06/09/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: I've done a lot of tubs and I've never seen the sides perform better than the top. Even in second flushes where I've stood the substrate on it's side. ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21062947 )
You've got hella aborts all over the sub. This indicates that conditions are NOT right at substrate level.
I usually hold back from judging conditions like this but it's clear that you have zero humidity at the surface. You're getting aborts because the substrate is drying out and the only place conditions are right are around the sides.
I think you're right about that. A lot of what appear to be aborts are actually pins that got dusted with spores so they're darker than normal. Also that's a pic of the sub after the dunk so it's not so representative of how it's normally looked. The tub had just been harvested so that's a factor, but the surface has been getting dry. I started misting daily about 5 days ago. I think that yes the side pinning proves it's too dry in the tub.
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: elasticaltiger]
#21781421 - 06/09/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks to me like the humidity between the substrate and the liner is closer to optimal than above at the top of the substrate. I'd probably flip it over and harvest from there... Just my opinion.
Edited for grammar.
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Edited by Bruiser05 (06/09/15 12:32 AM)
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elasticaltiger
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: Bruiser05]
#21784824 - 06/09/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, on that note. Flipping the substrate is awesome.
I didn't realize you were already a few flushes in.
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Edited by elasticaltiger (06/09/15 07:01 PM)
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: elasticaltiger]
#21785086 - 06/09/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Try a thick mil, cl ear plastic dropcloth from hardware store to use as your liner next time. A 3 dollar roll lines a lot of tubs and it reduces side and bottom pins signifigantly.. I hardly get them anymore

Heres an old tub that I flipped over, the sub cracked in half but it still did pretty well. This is 2nd flush
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Edited by mushpunx (06/09/15 07:40 PM)
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: mushpunx]
#21785761 - 06/09/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He did use a liner. This is a later flush. (3rd I'm guessing?)
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: elasticaltiger]
#21785966 - 06/09/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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all you will get is skinny fruit with little caps hence my sig edit if you break it horribly
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Edited by bugman (06/09/15 10:41 PM)
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lutherarkwright93
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: bugman]
#21786821 - 06/10/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I used a black garbage bag as a liner but while it was as thick as I could find at 2am, it's still thinner than painter's liner. Also I like the idea of clear liner as you can monitor what's going on under there.
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bugman said: all you will get is skinny fruit with little caps hence my sig edit if you break it horribly
Are you saying that the fruits will be stringy if the sub is flipped or if the sub breaks? I can see they might come out stringy after flipping as right now all the pins are long with tiny caps. Only time will tell.
I flipped her after a dunk and have been misting since. We'll see how she recovers.
I'm just bummed I'm not the first to try this! Here I thought I'd be blazing a trail.
Thanks for all the replies and help.
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: elasticaltiger]
#21786826 - 06/10/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: He did use a liner. This is a later flush. (3rd I'm guessing?)
Yeah about the third. While there have been a couple good days where I harvest a large number, It's been more a continual process of going in to remove a few every day.
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: lutherarkwright93]
#21786924 - 06/10/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea I dont think all liners are equal. When I used to use trash bags I still got lots of side/bottom fruits, water tension kinda holds it to the walls of the tub instead of the substrate and theres your problem
Not all garbage bags are equal either tho some work fine
The clear liner is nice for that reason too, you can see your whole sub
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: lutherarkwright93]
#21795206 - 06/11/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lutherarkwright93 said: I used a black garbage bag as a liner but while it was as thick as I could find at 2am, it's still thinner than painter's liner. Also I like the idea of clear liner as you can monitor what's going on under there.
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bugman said: all you will get is skinny fruit with little caps hence my sig edit if you break it horribly
Are you saying that the fruits will be stringy if the sub is flipped or if the sub breaks? I can see they might come out stringy after flipping as right now all the pins are long with tiny caps. Only time will tell.
I flipped her after a dunk and have been misting since. We'll see how she recovers.
I'm just bummed I'm not the first to try this! Here I thought I'd be blazing a trail.
Thanks for all the replies and help.
just dont break it
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: bugman]
#21796049 - 06/12/15 04:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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She's holding up great. The middle is still colonizing, but also pinning. The action is all on the outer edges and sides.
I'm misting 3-5 times a day and it consumes it like a sponge, at least in part due to the dry climate and high temps around here.
I've harvested a few nice mushrooms and tomorrow looks like I'll get a decent flush! I'll try to remember to take pictures.
One thing I'll mention: I was hoping that all the areas shown in the original pics would grow into a nice flush, but instead only a few have grown. This flush will end up being around 20+ mushrooms, instead of the 100's of pins I found. Most have done absolutely nothing and may just slip back into mycelium or become aborts.
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: lutherarkwright93]
#21796075 - 06/12/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lutherarkwright93 said: She's holding up great. The middle is still colonizing, but also pinning. The action is all on the outer edges and sides.
I'm misting 3-5 times a day and it consumes it like a sponge, at least in part due to the dry climate and high temps around here.
I've harvested a few nice mushrooms and tomorrow looks like I'll get a decent flush! I'll try to remember to take pictures.
One thing I'll mention: I was hoping that all the areas shown in the original pics would grow into a nice flush, but instead only a few have grown. This flush will end up being around 20+ mushrooms, instead of the 100's of pins I found. Most have done absolutely nothing and may just slip back into mycelium or become aborts.
Sounds like you really need to increase the humidity level!
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: ShroominMe]
#21805021 - 06/14/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This flush turned out really well. My best so far. Waiting for dry weight to come in, but it should be well over an oz.
Looks like I might break an qp all said and done with this tub.
cheers to everyone
Also my initial estimates of 20+ fruits turned into about 60 or so
Edited by lutherarkwright93 (06/14/15 05:54 AM)
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Re: I might flip my tub over. Found a field of side-pins better than she's ever produced on top. [PICS] [Re: lutherarkwright93]
#21831291 - 06/20/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thought I'd update this:
I've gotten two flushes off the flipped side of this tub so far. The first was prolific. Probably an oz. dry from the first. I've been winging it since; I pulled a lot of the aborts in layers, which I now regret. It did serious damage to the myc layer whereas I could've let it just revert. The areas I left be with aborted stems etc have lots of pins, but the chunks I removed have little new growth. I'm continually pulling fruits as they mature and there appears to be a nice new flush incoming. All said and done: I have 3 oz. dry from the entire tub and I figure I'll get at least one more oz. before it gives out, most likely in the next couple weeks.
I'm learning a lot.
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