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Hippies
    #21779585 - 06/08/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This might sound trollish, but I am actually dead serious. Some of you will know exactly what I'm talking about.

When I go to the pages of the people in the Ayahuasca/shroom etc groups I belong to, they all range from at least a little bit hippie or alternative in some way, to full blown hippie freak. And I mean all. Almost all of them have psychedelic artwork on their pages. Most have some kind of hippie jewelry or hair or look to them. Photos of sustainable gardening etc. etc.. Just a lot of Trustafarian stuff.

My question is: what came first? The chicken or the egg? I know that doing psychedelics is supposed to change you, and it's supposed to be generally for the better. But do they change you into a hippie if you do them enough? Do you start becoming attracted to those things, or are most people a hippie first and then do the psychedelics.

I've done shrooms but not Aya yet. I like the way I dress and my house decor. I like my friends and lifestyle. I don't want to turn hippyish.


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Re: Hippies [Re: daniwtf] * 1
    #21779604 - 06/08/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's too late ya dirty hippie.:peace:


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Re: Hippies [Re: daniwtf]
    #21779609 - 06/08/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Join us on the tie dye side of life :mushroom2:

The mentality was always there, psychedelics helped it progress maybe..

The hippie lifestyle appealed to me before I did any psyhedelics..


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Re: Hippies [Re: Zombi3] * 1
    #21779756 - 06/08/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ive said it time and time again, lsd, mushrooms, psychedelics make you who you are, they show you who you are, cement it into time space amd the fabric of existence th at you are you, youve been there the wholetime.


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Re: Hippies [Re: whitelights]
    #21779989 - 06/08/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So you're saying we're all hippies deep down?


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Re: Hippies [Re: daniwtf]
    #21780134 - 06/08/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well, many people call me a hippy, some of them call me by hippy and not even my name.
i have long hair and a beard. i spend amazing amounts of time in the woods for various reasons. im into botany,horticulture,mycology,geology, farm organic food, smoke weed and eat psychedelic drugs, i love rock and roll and jam bands, camping, hiking,fishing, hunting whatever. i have a lot of interesting philosophical views, and views on life death and the universe in general. people also love to tell me im fried because of the amount of lsd i eat. but the way i see it im just a regular ass dude, a bit hick possibly. and ive been this way since i remember anything, im the same person i was before the acid, its just super engraved in who i am after the acid. love yourself.


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Re: Hippies [Re: whitelights]
    #21780237 - 06/08/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its not the psychedelics. Its just another group of conformist


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Re: Hippies [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21780333 - 06/08/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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twelvelookslikeu said:
Its not the psychedelics. Its just another group of conformist




This.

What I always find fascinating about this question the OP raises is that in Terence McKenna lestures/videos he would make a statement about how ordinary the group is. That you couldn't tell the people that would attend a TM workshop apart from an "ordinary" group of people.

I'm always amazed when I go to events which attract hippies, dirty hippies, and wooks because of the astounding level of conformity that they manage to achieve.

Another facet of this discussion becomes where do material aesthetics come into play. I consider myself a psychedelic person based on my personal philosophies, my thinking, and my rhetoric. I don't pay particular attention to fashion. So the fact that their is a persistent style that hippies stil follow blows my mind.

And I want to rant just a little bit about male dirty hippie wook fashion for a moment... I get hippie chick fashion for the most part. But the whole cargo/patchquilt pants, high top shoes/boots, flatbrim hat... what the fuck is that, its too wigger for me or something. I also really do not understand why white people wear dreads. I've read plenty about why some cultures wear dreads and I dig it but, but white people... I guess I'm just racist.


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Re: Hippies [Re: wolf fish]
    #21780518 - 06/08/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i mean technucally alott of the hippies are dead, if not they are really old. all these kids wearing all this patchwork clothing with ahts filled with pins and all the clothes they bought at the vending booth at there first festival, idk what those people are called, if they have dreads then wooks. i call em lot kids, theyre the people trying to be hippies, when some of there paremts are too young to be hippies.


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Re: Hippies [Re: whitelights]
    #21781051 - 06/08/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I call myself a hippie sometimes just cuz I listen to 60s psychedelic rock, do psychedelics, like the psychedelic arts, and just like the culture overall.

But I prefer to be a psychonaut cuz I'm not really a hippie. I don't dress like a hippie, I don't wear daisy crowns, I don't believe rocks have any magic in them, I don't go around spreading love, I don't care for energy saving methods and choose to run the entire world on hemp resources, etc etc

I'm just free-spirited and like the culture


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Re: Hippies [Re: wolf fish]
    #21781098 - 06/08/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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wolf fish said:
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twelvelookslikeu said:
Its not the psychedelics. Its just another group of conformist




This.

What I always find fascinating about this question the OP raises is that in Terence McKenna lestures/videos he would make a statement about how ordinary the group is. That you couldn't tell the people that would attend a TM workshop apart from an "ordinary" group of people.

I'm always amazed when I go to events which attract hippies, dirty hippies, and wooks because of the astounding level of conformity that they manage to achieve.

Another facet of this discussion becomes where do material aesthetics come into play. I consider myself a psychedelic person based on my personal philosophies, my thinking, and my rhetoric. I don't pay particular attention to fashion. So the fact that their is a persistent style that hippies stil follow blows my mind.

And I want to rant just a little bit about male dirty hippie wook fashion for a moment... I get hippie chick fashion for the most part. But the whole cargo/patchquilt pants, high top shoes/boots, flatbrim hat... what the fuck is that, its too wigger for me or something. I also really do not understand why white people wear dreads. I've read plenty about why some cultures wear dreads and I dig it but, but white people... I guess I'm just racist.






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Re: Hippies [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21781144 - 06/08/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

cargo sweatpants are dope as fuck. They're essentially the only type of pants I wear. I carry too many things to be wearing some dumb ass nut compressing pair of jeans


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Re: Hippies [Re: blackhawk]
    #21781357 - 06/08/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Eat a 5 strip of acid and you will be a hippy it happened to me. I ate shrooms and smoked a lot of weed but never considered myself a hippy my first acid trip I ate 5 hits and halfway through realized my true nature and life style was with the deadheads or hippys that made the stuff. Acid change me bro but I wouldn't change a thing about who I am now I love being a hippy its the shit.:willfredjoint:


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    #21781926 - 06/09/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

LSD "converted" me. I'm not an all-out-there hippie, but I have the same view  point, sense and style...When I first tripped I understood everything about their culture, and how the drug guided them to be that way. Why they all want peace, why they are respectful and loving towards everyone. It made me what to live that way.


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Re: Hippies [Re: Vibez] * 1
    #21781948 - 06/09/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am very normal looking and into the psych culture. You wouldnt be able to tell im a tripper unless i told you. I like it that way. I was never fond of extra attention and outlandish looks. I just be me.


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Re: Hippies [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21782348 - 06/09/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I keep my hair short and my facial hair neatly trimmed.  I wear clothes that don't stand out.  I do have some tattoos that are telling if you look at them closely.

I've also eaten more than a five strip of LSD and taken Ayahuasca so not taking enough or the right drugs isn't the issue.

I do try to be a pacifist but I don't preach.  Just my personal means of being happy with my life.

You know who else ate a lot of psychedelics but never wore tie dye?  These guys.



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Re: Hippies [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21786747 - 06/10/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think there was such as thing as a "hippie" after around 1972.

Hippies were very much defined by the times. A hippie, in 1967, was someone who ingested LSD and gained insights that made them leave their former habits in order to center their lives around Psychedelics.

There was an "innocence" and an optimism, and a belief in the "justice system".

People believed that Psychedelics were the way to true progress, both spiritually and physically, morally and scientifically.

Males may have grown long hair and beards. Females stopped wearing makeup, stopped wearing bras, and stopped shaving their under arms. But this was at a time when no one was doing that. People who did it were considered "freaks". But that wasn't what made a person a "hippie".

It was a time when venturing outside the city with long hair was risking your safety.

Those times are long gone.

Gone also is the "innocence" and the belief in the "justice" system. The enthusiasm and optimism pretty much completely died as sincerely believing people were incarcerated for communing with a Substance that they considered a sacrament.

Belief in the "system" disappeared -- and along with it the people called the "hippies".


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Re: Hippies [Re: endogenous]
    #21787858 - 06/10/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't think there was such as thing as a "hippie" after around 1972.

Hippies were very much defined by the times. A hippie, in 1967, was someone who ingested LSD and gained insights that made them leave their former habits in order to center their lives around Psychedelics.

There was an "innocence" and an optimism, and a belief in the "justice system".

People believed that Psychedelics were the way to true progress, both spiritually and physically, morally and scientifically.

Males may have grown long hair and beards. Females stopped wearing makeup, stopped wearing bras, and stopped shaving their under arms. But this was at a time when no one was doing that. People who did it were considered "freaks". But that wasn't what made a person a "hippie".

It was a time when venturing outside the city with long hair was risking your safety.

Those times are long gone.

Gone also is the "innocence" and the belief in the "justice" system. The enthusiasm and optimism pretty much completely died as sincerely believing people were incarcerated for communing with a Substance that they considered a sacrament.

Belief in the "system" disappeared -- and along with it the people called the "hippies".



This true but what do you call someone that uses psychedelics for enlightenment now. Its just I have been thinking im a hippie because I love things that hippies did (the grateful dead, massive amounts of LSD, free love, non judgmental people) I use acid for a lot of things like tripping and learning but mostly to think outside the box. Maybe im a modern day hippie?


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Re: Hippies [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21787898 - 06/10/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Like he and i posted, hippies were alive in the sixties, they were there, they were t he ones who actually did it, started it, like said above when no one was doing it.

  You can call yourself whatever you'd like, human, persin, i mean id say your just you. Maybe you believe inthe beleifs of the hippies, but they are about all gone.


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Re: Hippies [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21788071 - 06/10/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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thewanderer25 said:
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endogenous said:
I don't think there was such as thing as a "hippie" after around 1972.

Hippies were very much defined by the times. A hippie, in 1967, was someone who ingested LSD and gained insights that made them leave their former habits in order to center their lives around Psychedelics.

There was an "innocence" and an optimism, and a belief in the "justice system".

People believed that Psychedelics were the way to true progress, both spiritually and physically, morally and scientifically.

Males may have grown long hair and beards. Females stopped wearing makeup, stopped wearing bras, and stopped shaving their under arms. But this was at a time when no one was doing that. People who did it were considered "freaks". But that wasn't what made a person a "hippie".

It was a time when venturing outside the city with long hair was risking your safety.

Those times are long gone.

Gone also is the "innocence" and the belief in the "justice" system. The enthusiasm and optimism pretty much completely died as sincerely believing people were incarcerated for communing with a Substance that they considered a sacrament.

Belief in the "system" disappeared -- and along with it the people called the "hippies".



This true but what do you call someone that uses psychedelics for enlightenment now. Its just I have been thinking im a hippie because I love things that hippies did (the grateful dead, massive amounts of LSD, free love, non judgmental people) I use acid for a lot of things like tripping and learning but mostly to think outside the box. Maybe im a modern day hippie?




^ this exactly.

Because the people of the 60s were being exposed to massive amounts of discourse from all walks of life, (civil rights, vietnam, etc.) they dropped L and realized that they didn't want to be a part of the polarization of society.  Instead they would choose to drop out of the societal hierarchy and show their beliefs because they knew with conviction they could stand behind them.

Nowadays, nothing has changed.  The U.S. is still involved in the longest war it has ever been a part of, with no end in sight.  People feel safe at their homes living vicariously through their televisions and shit is getting fucked up everywhere in the world but there.

Despite having the internet and various other resources at our disposal to fact-check and research the real truth, people are still confused on things their government tells them is fact (statistics, drug law and effect, various freedoms and rights yada yada).

Back to my main point...
Which is why I think that the claim that the hippies are no more is just wrong. 

Being a hippie isn't just based on time and place or current events of the times.  It is about the schema a group of people uses to navigate through the challenges of a time.  Being a hippie is a choice about how.  Hippies understand the what, know that they cannot understand the why, so they focus on what they can change which is the 'how'.

L is only an 80ish year old drug.  It is very young.  It is a catalyst for the imagination; a catalyst for change. In 500 years or so I am curious as to whether the term hippie will even exist let alone be relevant.  My guess is not. 

My point is I think hippies still exist today and that it is more of just an identification of a collective. 

"We think alike and have similar mannerisms, therefore we are ________"

fill in the blank, throughout history and forever forwards

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Re: Hippies [Re: whitelights]
    #21788382 - 06/10/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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well, many people call me a hippy, some of them call me by hippy and not even my name.
i have long hair and a beard. i spend amazing amounts of time in the woods for various reasons. im into botany,horticulture,mycology,geology, farm organic food, smoke weed and eat psychedelic drugs, i love rock and roll and jam bands, camping, hiking,fishing, hunting whatever. i have a lot of interesting philosophical views, and views on life death and the universe in general. people also love to tell me im fried because of the amount of lsd i eat. but the way i see it im just a regular ass dude, a bit hick possibly. and ive been this way since i remember anything, im the same person i was before the acid, its just super engraved in who i am after the acid. love yourself.




sounds like a great way of life to me.


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    #21788997 - 06/10/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

its the only way i can live it man. i still say hippies were in the sixties. and before them were the beatknicks, which i beleive evolved into the hippie, which evolved into idk, but i do know we are all evolving, and faster than ever at that. its only going to happen faster as well. i also beleive they started something that will only grow, and cannot be stopped. all cultures throughout time have had there psychedelics, when we were wild people they came from the wild, now we are technologized beings, and so arent our psychedelics. regardless of where it once came they have been teachers and healers for people and i beleive the earth as well, theyre playing there part always will and always have, i mena look its fucking 2015 and theres more lsd flying around than there ever has since abbie helped us find it.

   
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L is only an 80ish year old drug.  It is very young.  It is a catalyst for the imagination; a catalyst for change. In 500 years or so I am curious as to whether the term hippie will even exist let alone be relevant.  My guess is not. 

-N




ive always said lsd was the greatest catalyst,(if not singularity, or both) you can apply it to anything, just about anything we have today other than our planet and old buildings and antiques wouldnt be the way it was if not for lsd. its a catalyst of the mind, its a catalyst of life, its also a catalyst of time. its also the catalyst thats going to change the way we live, eat and use our resources on this planet. watch, 500 years form now people will still be eating lsd, thats the only thing im sure of will be happening in 500 years, the rest i couldnt tell yah.


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Re: Hippies [Re: daniwtf]
    #21789021 - 06/10/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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My question is: what came first? The chicken or the egg? I know that doing psychedelics is supposed to change you, and it's supposed to be generally for the better. But do they change you into a hippie if you do them enough? Do you start becoming attracted to those things, or are most people a hippie first and then do the psychedelics.





Well the egg definitively came first sooooo these chickens (hippies) probably came after eggs (psychs)

But I guess it could of always been part of them and just brought out by psych use :shrug:


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Re: Hippies [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21789099 - 06/10/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Depends on what you mean by a hippie, true hippies as mentioned are the ones that started it and are mostly gone, but the culture is still alive I would say it has evolved into what we are seeing today, clean cut wouldn't know unless they told you hippies. But I myself still dress in flannels, tye dye shirts, peace necklaces, just your own personal deal.


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Re: Hippies [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #21791261 - 06/11/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Personally, i agree with the guy that said psychedelics make you who you already were.

I never saw myself as a hippie, but i was always very in tune with nature, never really seemed to fit in with the "normals" always got picked on and shit.

Then i met lucy and realized that i have been bathed in the love of this chemical and it has made me realize that we are all people, and no matter how "evil" someone is, everyone has the capacity for good.

For this reason, i can no longer judge people. I see someone doing something i dont like and before i say "wow, screw you dude" i try to come up with reasons that might make them act in this way. Once i come up with a list of reasons, i can no longer hold this persons actions against them because i can now empathize with them.

This is why i dont click with most people i believe. I show a level of empathy that most people in today's society will never understand. I can put myself in anyone's shoes and say "man you are an ass hole, but i understand why" for the most part.

I have come to realize that i could always do this, but never realized that i was doing it until psychedelics became a part of me.

Sometimes i think i am too nice and it is obvious that people take advantage of me for it, but i really dont care because i am who i am, and to let anyone change me would just be wrong.

We all need to be who we are, because if everyone was the same then there would be no point to this world.


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Re: Hippies [Re: thehoff117]
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...psychedelics make you who you already were.




This^ I only just started using psychedelics, and they have pushed me further in the direction that I knew was right all along. I am currently transitioning into become a vegetarian, possibly even a vegan, I care even less about the clothes I wear or my outward appearance to others, I am more loving, more forgiving and more understanding of everyone around me, I am putting more time and effort into trying to be a better person and help the lives of those around me.

I already knew many of my shortcoming and how I could improve as a person, psychedelics are just helping hands that make sure I keep pushing in the right direction.


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