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    #21779470 - 06/08/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Has anyone here ever tried harmine harmaline freebase Syrian rue full spectrum extract as a Maoi? I am considering getting some instead of Syrian rue in a few weeks but I don't know how well it works


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21779482 - 06/08/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Works perfectly, but you get a lot more for your money if you extract your own: http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Harmalas_Extraction_and_Separation_Guide

Also, there's no reason to buy a full spectrum extract when isolated harmine is available. Read this post: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21718559#21718559


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: s240779]
    #21779514 - 06/08/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know I should extract but it is readily available on a common online marketplace and is pretty cheap. Also does 300-500mg sound right to use with some carb tea


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21779605 - 06/08/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: s240779]
    #21779620 - 06/08/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Any reason you would recommend a single isolated alkaloid over the two in their natural ratio?

Full spectrums are also cheaper in my experience as they don't require an extra isolation step in the extraction.

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Also does 300-500mg sound right to use with some carb tea




Carb tea? Are you asking if you should eat 300-500mg? I have felt like I overdosed off of 350~ mg before, complete with intense nausea and sweating.

I was seeing pretty vivid hallucinations though from just smoking a bit of cannabis and all the harmalas. Was not pleasant though it was a learning experience.


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: musiclover420]
    #21779630 - 06/08/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lol I meant acrb tea my new phone is correcting me


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21779641 - 06/08/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah man even 300 could be quite a bit, at that range you would be feeling the harmalas psychoactive effects at least mildly to pretty intensely.

I recommend 150-250 for a first timer. Everyone is different so you could need 300 but I doubt it, much more likely to start feeling nausea at that level.


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: musiclover420]
    #21780196 - 06/08/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay my understanding though was that for every gram of Syrian rue there would be like 100mg of alkaloids and I typically use like 6 grams of rue before my tea so I was thinking I would need at least 300-500mg.


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21780229 - 06/08/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Here is a snippet from erowid:

"According to Jonathan Ott, surveys done on the plant material have shown the B-carboline alkaloids range from 2-7% of the dry weight of the mature seeds"

So no one can really say in regards to seed weight, perhaps you were using weaker seeds or perhaps you just have a body that requires more.

But like I said 300~mg of pure harmalas can start causing nausea on their own so I would recommend starting with 250mg to play it safe.

Depending on how much you buy it would be smart to try a solid dose before hand to see how it effects you to compare to the whole seed.

Of course if you buy it you might rather just jump in and if you have been using up to 6grams of rue maybe 300~+mg will be fine for you :shrug:


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: musiclover420]
    #21780341 - 06/08/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you very much for the responses I'll definitely keep it in mind hopefully it will go well if not I guess I'll go back to rue or check into the isolated alkaloids but I'm not really sure where to look


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21780412 - 06/08/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I found a place selling decently priced caapi extracts awhile back, basically the same as the rue extract but with THH as well.

Still saving mine though since I got it on a sale or something and don't want to have to try and find more.

I highly recommend using the pure harmalas,e specially if you can find good deals or learn how to make it yourself.

I just wanted to warn you about dosage. 300~mg has given me pretty intense and not entirely pleasant visuals before and I know 150-250 is enough for pretty solid maoi effects in most people. How long does your brews usually last for you? I would say 200~mg of harmals is around 5-6 hours on nice maoi effects for more, 150 is generally short like 3-5 and 250+ ends up being more like 7-8~

Of course it can vary so much person to person, that is the only reason I was warning you to start low. 6 grams of rue does seem like a high dose though.

Let us know how it goes!


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: musiclover420]
    #21780615 - 06/08/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I will I'm most likely going to order in a week or two along with some bridgesii and I can't really say how long as all of my brews with mom loss were consistent 7 hour intense rides but all of my acrb teas have even very weird sometimes they will be strong for the first 45 mins then weak sometimes they will be a 5-6 hour lvl 3


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21780748 - 06/08/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:raisemyglass:

I got my first bridge recently, I planted/ traded and gave them all away though.

I wonder if the acacia inconstancy is from its alkaloid variation or the rues potency variation.

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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: musiclover420]
    #21781249 - 06/08/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Any reason you would recommend a single isolated alkaloid over the two in their natural ratio?




Can't you read? :smile:


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: s240779]
    #21781298 - 06/08/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting, I would have to try them all individually to really form an opinion on it but I have had no problems with the full spectrum.

I have some pure harmine and caapi isolate with THH but the full spectrum rue is cheapest and works for my needs so I have not branched out much :shrug:


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: musiclover420]
    #21781308 - 06/08/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can isolate harmine from rue itself and isolated harmine is closer to B. caapi, as harmaline is only found in small amounts in B. caapi (but it's found in large amounts in rue). One person I quoted in that post says you simply want to avoid harmaline.


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: s240779]
    #21781341 - 06/08/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There are so many kinds of caapi though, I would bet some have higher/ lower ratios of them all. Not to mention the other alkaloids found in caapi.

Plus some people might get different results from harmaline then others :shrug:

Seems pretty hard to say anything is for certain until more research is done man.


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Re: buying freebase harmala [Re: musiclover420]
    #21784301 - 06/09/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's something to do with acacia overall rue seems pretty consistent to me. And I love bridge I hope I will get around to making some tar soon


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