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OfflineBigreye
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Dry monotub *DELETED*
    #21778324 - 06/08/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21778374 - 06/08/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When the surface is 100% colonized, it'll take up to a week to see the first pins, then they'll grow a lot faster from that point. I would have just misted the tub heavily if the surface looked dry. Dunking the tub wasn't necessary, you usually do that after the first or second flush.

Anyway, there is still a good chance that it'll fruit. I would just keep an eye out for contaminates and tighten the polyfill in the bottom holes and keep the top holes looser. Also, fanning the tub occasionally will increase fresh air exchange, which is a good pinning trigger. Good luck!


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21778376 - 06/08/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Could you possibly upload a pic for us so we can better understand what's going on?

It sounds like you're ok though if you're not contam-ridden. I would mist a lot more often to try and hydrate it. Only mist when the sub isn't glistening with moisture, and fan briefly after each mist to help disperse the water in the air.

If it's been in fruiting for 15 days and no pins, I don't think the soak did you any harm, rather the opposite. My vote is: be patient. It sounds like you've got things under control.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Myconin]
    #21778918 - 06/08/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm trying to figure out how p them from my phone. No Luck Yet.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21780174 - 06/08/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Myconin]
    #21780203 - 06/08/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I figured it out lol


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21780211 - 06/08/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Is it my eyes or is that straight grain? I could be wrong but I don't see any coir or verm?


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: BkillsU]
    #21780303 - 06/08/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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BkillsU said:
Quote:

Bigreye said:




Is it my eyes or is that straight grain? I could be wrong but I don't see any coir or verm?



Yeah you used a lot more grain than necessary, what was your ratio of sub to spawn?


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21780316 - 06/08/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:facepalm:You used more than 4qts of verm for one brick of coir? :facepalm:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21780510 - 06/08/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why is the grain on top not mixed in? That is going to be a real problem.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21780531 - 06/08/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Grain on top is a prob plus those holes are way too high to provide the passive fae you will need.

I had to leave my monobuckets for a 5 days during a heat wave.  High 80s and the casing was bone dry.  Sprayed the hell out of them for a few days and viola.  Great flushes were produced.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21780535 - 06/08/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sub to spawn rate I'm not sure. I used 2 bags from Midwest grow kits. I clearly must have added to much vermiculite. I just hope it's salvageable. My first attempt at bulk. I just find myself so damn confused with all the teks. I have like 15 pounds of organic rye and a 10 lbs bag of wbs. Hoping to find something other than cakes I can get to work. I have a background in a greener field. Lol so I'm extremely green behind the ears.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: RyeJar]
    #21780539 - 06/08/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The holes are fine. An inch above the sub is fine. The grain is not.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21780550 - 06/08/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The grain was all mixed and covered until the dunking and stuff today . and by covered I mean all white. The holes are about an inch away. Idk what I should do to revive it.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21780576 - 06/08/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well from the sounds of it ya way overshot your spawn ratio. Drying it out probably really hurt it. Really wish I could have seen what it looked like before you dunked. It might push out a flush, it might contam. I would say its a coin flip. Sorry.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21780606 - 06/08/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

before


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21780838 - 06/08/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay that Is way too much grain on the top. Looks like you made a layer of it. Will probably push out a flush and contam. Just leave it alone and pray for a flush is all I can really suggest.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21780880 - 06/08/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I kindkind ofothought that was supposed  to do. Gotta Be A Newb sometime.  Try some wbs spread thin.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21780903 - 06/08/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No man. If you are going to layer grain it must be covered with a layer of sub. Other wise it dries out. Cubes also do not really like to pin from grain.  Its a poor surface texture, poor microclimate, too much nutrition.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21781470 - 06/09/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So putting my coco and vermiculite under there top of grain was bad? I see tons of people talking about not casing on here. I'm in no way trying to be an ass I'm just honestly confused as can be. I thought I did everything right. Never read that grain was to nutritious. It seems to work for everyone else.  Having a hard time not feeling discouraged. Been putting so much time into this. So much reading. Fml at least the my pf tek  cakes are working.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21781506 - 06/09/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You don't case bulk sub with grain.
You can get fruits from grain, but you have to case it with a layer of sub.
I'm not sure how many hours you put into researching this before starting this grow


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21781623 - 06/09/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So putting my coco and vermiculite under there top of grain was bad? I see tons of people talking about not casing on here. I'm in no way trying to be an ass I'm just honestly confused as can be. I thought I did everything right. Never read that grain was to nutritious. It seems to work for everyone else.  Having a hard time not feeling discouraged. Been putting so much time into this. So much reading. Fml at least the my pf tek  cakes are working.




Putting your substrate over the grains when you spawn isn't casing. Casing would be if you had spawned to bulk, and then once it was fully colonized, you put another layer of substrate/casing mix on top.

You don't want to leave grains exposed on top like that, they'll dry out and can be a source of contams. Either mix the spawn and sub, and don't leave any exposed grains on the bottom or top, or layer them, but be sure the bottom and top layer are sub only.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: RPW]
    #21781725 - 06/09/15 04:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You don't need to put a layer of sub on if you just mix it all up to begin with. Layers are finicky. Layers of exposed grains are real issues. Most people don't use a top layer cause most people are just mixing it all up, nothing is layered. You really need to read more.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21781834 - 06/09/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You don't need to put a layer of sub on if you just mix it all up to begin with. Layers are finicky. Layers of exposed grains are real issues. Most people don't use a top layer cause most people are just mixing it all up, nothing is layered. You really need to read more.




If you just empty your spawn and bulk substrate into your monotub and mix it up, chances are there's going to be some exposed grains on top, especially if you're using a high spawn ratio. How is then putting a thin layer of substrate on top to ensure no exposed grains a bad thing?


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: RPW]
    #21781928 - 06/09/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because it takes a long time to colonize. Its not really bad just annoying sometimes. When mixed up the sub on the sides prevent the exposed grains from drying out. But a layer of Straight grain is gonna have issues.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21781996 - 06/09/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You sure about that pasty?

Because I've cased trays of rye grain with wbs, and gotten many flushes wall to wall:smilingpuppy:

Casing grain with more grain is the way to go.
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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782018 - 06/09/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pasty has been around here for a while and has an extensive history of success. 

I'd trust what he says. Not saying you're wrong or anything.  Just saying that his opinions has been tested.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: bsfurr]
    #21782059 - 06/09/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Pasty has been around here for a while and has an extensive history of success. 

I'd trust what he says. Not saying you're wrong or anything.  Just saying that his opinions has been tested.



LOLOLOL

I've had many conversations with pasty, learned a lot from him. Hes a cool dude.

I was laying the sarcasm in that post pretty thick. If you didn't pick up on that, then well :shrug:

How stupid do you think I am? Casing grain with more grain? :freshwtf:

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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782133 - 06/09/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hell after ya spend enough time ya see it all. I saw one guy who swore all you needed to grow cubes was sterilize some cow manure and then mist it regularly, spores not required.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21782170 - 06/09/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Hell after ya spend enough time ya see it all. I saw one guy who swore all you needed to grow cubes was sterilize some cow manure and then mist it regularly, spores not required.



Dude I laughed so hard reading that my brother woke up.

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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782607 - 06/09/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

sorry about that.  I read so much stupid shit on here from people who have no idea what they're doing.  It honestly wouldn't surprise me if someone tried it and then referenced some post from 2001 to justify it.

damn you internet.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: bsfurr]
    #21782623 - 06/09/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's why when you use the search function on here you limit it to posts within like the past 4-5 years


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21782650 - 06/09/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So putting my coco and vermiculite under there top of grain was bad? I see tons of people talking about not casing on here. I'm in no way trying to be an ass I'm just honestly confused as can be. I thought I did everything right. Never read that grain was to nutritious. It seems to work for everyone else.  Having a hard time not feeling discouraged. Been putting so much time into this. So much reading. Fml at least the my pf tek  cakes are working.



Don't be too hard on yourself man, working with grains is a lot easier than you think and it beats the pf tek anyday IMO. You just gotta start with smaller grows, then when you get good at mixing spawn and substrate, go with a full size monotub. I recommend starting with a 6 qt tub using a 1:3 ratio of spawn to sub. Then after full colonization, just attach the top tub and mist and fan, it's super simple. Here's the tek I used with great success: https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-mist-and-fan-bulk-tek/

This is where I first started when working with grains, and my yield was a lot higher than I would have ever gotten from the pf tek. :smile:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21782678 - 06/09/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

1:3 ratio? holy hell

Pf tek is great, puts out a great BE.
But I'm glad I skipped the pf tek and went straight to grain/monotubs.
I still want to give pf tek a try. Hell might do that soon


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782716 - 06/09/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I appreciate it guys! So as a whole do we think I can salvage this somehow. So much work. I've got two bags of rye I made I'm hoping show shop hope. Might make  wbs before camping trip thistweekendthis weekend. I'm broke but have big tubs. II spent alot ofof time researching. I'm sure iI teks mixed.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782730 - 06/09/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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1:3 ratio? holy hell




That's what the tek recommends and it worked out well for me on my first two attempts at bulk growing :smile:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21782731 - 06/09/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think pasty already answered that for you.

Give it proper conditions, and hope for the best:shrug:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21782744 - 06/09/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I hone  one 66 quart tub and plenty of supplies I can only PC half pint jars point me in the right direction if you could I would greatly appreciate it guysguys.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21782754 - 06/09/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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1:3 ratio? holy hell




That's what the tek recommends and it worked out well for me on my first two attempts at bulk growing :smile:



Well thats a lot of sub.
I always use 1:1.5 but never more than 1:2
Hell when I'm feeling impatient and want a killer one-flush-wonder,  I'll use a 1:1 ratio. I got a large tub with 10qt spawn 10qt sub fruiting right now,  among other things.
Fucker is pinning like crazy:bigyesnod:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21782755 - 06/09/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would go smaller but I really don't have the money for more supplies I'm on a fixed income and this is what I have


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782851 - 06/09/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Buck513 said:
Quote:

Psilosoulful said:
Quote:

Buck513 said:
1:3 ratio? holy hell




That's what the tek recommends and it worked out well for me on my first two attempts at bulk growing :smile:



Well thats a lot of sub.
I always use 1:1.5 but never more than 1:2
Hell when I'm feeling impatient and want a killer one-flush-wonder,  I'll use a 1:1 ratio. I got a large tub with 10qt spawn 10qt sub fruiting right now,  among other things.
Fucker is pinning like crazy:bigyesnod:



Yea ill have to try that on my next grow, I'm getting tired of waiting up to two weeks for full colonization. Thanks for the advice!


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21782862 - 06/09/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's exactly why I said "holy hell" when you said 1:3 ratio:lol:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21806702 - 06/14/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

so as an experiment I broke up all the grain and mixed it in. through the tape back over the holes on the monmonotub. after coming back from my little camping vacation things look things everything smells ok and its spreading


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21807461 - 06/14/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That thing is toast. I see mold mycelium in there. Throw that trash in the trash. Or at least put it outside.


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