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InvisibleBuck513

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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21781506 - 06/09/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You don't case bulk sub with grain.
You can get fruits from grain, but you have to case it with a layer of sub.
I'm not sure how many hours you put into researching this before starting this grow


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21781623 - 06/09/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So putting my coco and vermiculite under there top of grain was bad? I see tons of people talking about not casing on here. I'm in no way trying to be an ass I'm just honestly confused as can be. I thought I did everything right. Never read that grain was to nutritious. It seems to work for everyone else.  Having a hard time not feeling discouraged. Been putting so much time into this. So much reading. Fml at least the my pf tek  cakes are working.




Putting your substrate over the grains when you spawn isn't casing. Casing would be if you had spawned to bulk, and then once it was fully colonized, you put another layer of substrate/casing mix on top.

You don't want to leave grains exposed on top like that, they'll dry out and can be a source of contams. Either mix the spawn and sub, and don't leave any exposed grains on the bottom or top, or layer them, but be sure the bottom and top layer are sub only.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: RPW]
    #21781725 - 06/09/15 04:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You don't need to put a layer of sub on if you just mix it all up to begin with. Layers are finicky. Layers of exposed grains are real issues. Most people don't use a top layer cause most people are just mixing it all up, nothing is layered. You really need to read more.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21781834 - 06/09/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
You don't need to put a layer of sub on if you just mix it all up to begin with. Layers are finicky. Layers of exposed grains are real issues. Most people don't use a top layer cause most people are just mixing it all up, nothing is layered. You really need to read more.




If you just empty your spawn and bulk substrate into your monotub and mix it up, chances are there's going to be some exposed grains on top, especially if you're using a high spawn ratio. How is then putting a thin layer of substrate on top to ensure no exposed grains a bad thing?


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: RPW]
    #21781928 - 06/09/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because it takes a long time to colonize. Its not really bad just annoying sometimes. When mixed up the sub on the sides prevent the exposed grains from drying out. But a layer of Straight grain is gonna have issues.


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InvisibleBuck513

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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21781996 - 06/09/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You sure about that pasty?

Because I've cased trays of rye grain with wbs, and gotten many flushes wall to wall:smilingpuppy:

Casing grain with more grain is the way to go.
You fellas need to wake up and smell the mycelium


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782018 - 06/09/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pasty has been around here for a while and has an extensive history of success. 

I'd trust what he says. Not saying you're wrong or anything.  Just saying that his opinions has been tested.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: bsfurr]
    #21782059 - 06/09/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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bsfurr said:
Pasty has been around here for a while and has an extensive history of success. 

I'd trust what he says. Not saying you're wrong or anything.  Just saying that his opinions has been tested.



LOLOLOL

I've had many conversations with pasty, learned a lot from him. Hes a cool dude.

I was laying the sarcasm in that post pretty thick. If you didn't pick up on that, then well :shrug:

How stupid do you think I am? Casing grain with more grain? :freshwtf:

:lmafo:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782133 - 06/09/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hell after ya spend enough time ya see it all. I saw one guy who swore all you needed to grow cubes was sterilize some cow manure and then mist it regularly, spores not required.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21782170 - 06/09/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
Hell after ya spend enough time ya see it all. I saw one guy who swore all you needed to grow cubes was sterilize some cow manure and then mist it regularly, spores not required.



Dude I laughed so hard reading that my brother woke up.

Funny shit. I love shroomery for the laughs


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782607 - 06/09/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

sorry about that.  I read so much stupid shit on here from people who have no idea what they're doing.  It honestly wouldn't surprise me if someone tried it and then referenced some post from 2001 to justify it.

damn you internet.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: bsfurr]
    #21782623 - 06/09/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's why when you use the search function on here you limit it to posts within like the past 4-5 years


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21782650 - 06/09/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bigreye said:
So putting my coco and vermiculite under there top of grain was bad? I see tons of people talking about not casing on here. I'm in no way trying to be an ass I'm just honestly confused as can be. I thought I did everything right. Never read that grain was to nutritious. It seems to work for everyone else.  Having a hard time not feeling discouraged. Been putting so much time into this. So much reading. Fml at least the my pf tek  cakes are working.



Don't be too hard on yourself man, working with grains is a lot easier than you think and it beats the pf tek anyday IMO. You just gotta start with smaller grows, then when you get good at mixing spawn and substrate, go with a full size monotub. I recommend starting with a 6 qt tub using a 1:3 ratio of spawn to sub. Then after full colonization, just attach the top tub and mist and fan, it's super simple. Here's the tek I used with great success: https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-mist-and-fan-bulk-tek/

This is where I first started when working with grains, and my yield was a lot higher than I would have ever gotten from the pf tek. :smile:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21782678 - 06/09/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

1:3 ratio? holy hell

Pf tek is great, puts out a great BE.
But I'm glad I skipped the pf tek and went straight to grain/monotubs.
I still want to give pf tek a try. Hell might do that soon


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782716 - 06/09/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I appreciate it guys! So as a whole do we think I can salvage this somehow. So much work. I've got two bags of rye I made I'm hoping show shop hope. Might make  wbs before camping trip thistweekendthis weekend. I'm broke but have big tubs. II spent alot ofof time researching. I'm sure iI teks mixed.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Buck513]
    #21782730 - 06/09/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Buck513 said:
1:3 ratio? holy hell




That's what the tek recommends and it worked out well for me on my first two attempts at bulk growing :smile:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21782731 - 06/09/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think pasty already answered that for you.

Give it proper conditions, and hope for the best:shrug:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21782744 - 06/09/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I hone  one 66 quart tub and plenty of supplies I can only PC half pint jars point me in the right direction if you could I would greatly appreciate it guysguys.


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21782754 - 06/09/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Psilosoulful said:
Quote:

Buck513 said:
1:3 ratio? holy hell




That's what the tek recommends and it worked out well for me on my first two attempts at bulk growing :smile:



Well thats a lot of sub.
I always use 1:1.5 but never more than 1:2
Hell when I'm feeling impatient and want a killer one-flush-wonder,  I'll use a 1:1 ratio. I got a large tub with 10qt spawn 10qt sub fruiting right now,  among other things.
Fucker is pinning like crazy:bigyesnod:


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Re: Dry monotub [Re: Bigreye]
    #21782755 - 06/09/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would go smaller but I really don't have the money for more supplies I'm on a fixed income and this is what I have


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