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CXII
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100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing?
#21778042 - 06/08/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey there guys, it's been a while since I've posted. Life tends to kick people in ass every now and then, gotta love how it takes time...
So, myself and my girl have been doing this for a while now (not experts by any stretch). Our own version of PF Tek, works fantastic, in a monotub system =)
So my question, to those of you that use PF Tek or similar style methods:
- Do you guys let you jars colonized 100% before birthing? As in a literal 100%? We've done it before at 80%-90%+ and they have fruited fine.
- I've read in several threads on several boards about the pros and cons of doing so and letting them go as long as you can.
What do you all do?
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YaMoonSun
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: CXII]
#21778085 - 06/08/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I try to let it go as far as it can, but some times they substrate will dry out or whatever and I'll just wipe the left-over substrate off the top and soak the mycelium after rinsing it well.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21778124 - 06/08/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've only done the PF Tek once, but I had good success with waiting an extra 3-4 days after the outside of the jar is fully colonized. The consolidation period ensures that the inside of the cake colonizes completely and the resulting first flush will tend to be larger.
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CXII
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21778161 - 06/08/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the information guys, we really appreciate it.
The patches of colonized substrate in question are the size of a quarter or smaller, most the size of dime and isolated or very spread out. They've been in incubation for about two and half weeks.
Before we place them in our monotub setup, we also dunk and roll them in verm.
I've also noticed that a lot of people don't wait until 100% colonization per se. A lot of others mention uncolonized "center" substrate, which I completely understand. Others talk about cakes colonizing while fruiting (which I'm pretty sure I've seen).
Methods and styles obviously will vary with people and teks used. Myself and my girl are not quite sure what to do, she is voting wait and I'm thinking birth...
I've also noticed some teks mention a pre-fruiting time in indirect sunlight while in the jars before birthing. Others say to not do so. In the past we've just gone from incubation to birth with no troubles.
Edited by CXII (06/08/15 10:44 AM)
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Psilosoulful

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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: CXII]
#21778196 - 06/08/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
CXII said: Thanks for the information guys, we really appreciate it.
The patches of colonized substrate in question are the size of a quarter or smaller, most the size of dime and isolated or very spread out. They've been in incubation for about two and half weeks.
Before we place them in our monotub setup, we also dunk and roll them in verm.
It seems like your cakes may be stalling. It should have shown a lot more growth at this stage. It could be that the brf mixture was packed too tightly in the jars? Or maybe there is not enough gas exchange holes on the jar lids?
Do you have any pics of the cakes?
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CXII
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21778201 - 06/08/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thought about pics, but at the moment our camera is low on battery (luck right?).
Yeah, we have a vent hole on the top of the lid, with a dual-tyvek air filter over it.
I was curious about being a bit too tight. We're also not using a BRF method. We came up with our own WBS cake tek if it helps.
Edited by CXII (06/08/15 10:48 AM)
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Psilosoulful

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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: CXII]
#21778231 - 06/08/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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CXII said: Thought about pics, but at the moment our camera is low on battery (luck right?).
Yeah, we have a vent hole on the top of the lid, with a dual-tyvek air filter over it.
I was curious about being a bit too tight. We're also not using a BRF method. We came up with our own WBS cake tek if it helps.
That sounds cool, I've never used WBS as a cake, but when it is 100% colonized, I highly recommend spawning to bulk as it would be a lot easier and your yields would increase tremendously. I don't know how efficiently a WBS cake would fruit, but let me know how it goes.
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21778253 - 06/08/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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WBS will fruit fine as cakes ime. The only problem I've ever found with WBS-based cakes is that they don't hold together very well, as grains are generally used for shaking. I expect you'll get fruits, but I don't expect your cakes to last too long. I recommend spawning to bulk.
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CXII
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21778264 - 06/08/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Got em! From our past attempts if you are curious. We're limited by space at the moment.
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: CXII]
#21778307 - 06/08/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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CXII said: Got em! From our past attempts if you are curious. We're limited by space at the moment.

Good job!! What is the last pic about, you rolled a fruiting cake in peat moss/coco coir? lol
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CXII
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21778414 - 06/08/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That last cake was one we thought was contaminated, but as an experiment we placed it under some soil outside.
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CXII
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: CXII]
#21778847 - 06/08/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the advice guys! We really appreciate it!
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: CXII]
#21778997 - 06/08/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Colonize 100% then let consolidate for a week before birthing.
Sometimes the cakes will have a couple pins.... which is fine.
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CXII
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#21782364 - 06/09/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice buddy. I was referring more to what exactly defines 100%, not what to do. Thanks though.
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Re: 100% as in 100% Colonized Before Birthing? [Re: CXII]
#21782734 - 06/09/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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100% colonization in the literal sense is the bare minimum before you can birth. Most people wait at least another week "consolidation" period because, its going to take a week before it even thinks about pinning anyway, better in the jar then out.
Thats what he was telling you
Birthing at anything but 100% colonization is extremly risky, it opens your cake to wgatever contaminants , very vulnerable
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