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bennylava
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Advice on asocial shroomery?
#21776546 - 06/07/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is anything known about the way shrooms affect introverted people? I'm an introvert. I generally avoid contact with other people, preferring to be by meself. With exceptions, of course. My wife, close friends, etc are the exception to that, but I tend to avoid meeting new people. I also avoid family because they get on my nerves or irritate me or just make me not like them even further. So I avoid them too most of the time.
But today I avoided a 12 year old kid who liked my dog. I have a huge concrete drainage ditch next to my house instead of a neighbor (one of the things that attracted me to the house) and there are often kids playing in it. I let my black lab dog out, to run around in there, and he found the kid and the kid was playing with him.
I let him play with him for maybe a couple minutes, but I quickly got away and put the dog up. And went inside, so that I didn't have to interact with the kid. I just don't want to interact with people generally. I know this is some kind of weird psychological condition, but I was just hoping someone here might know how shrooms would affect people who are introverts, like me. If there are any commonalities.
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Re: Advice on asocial shroomery? [Re: bennylava]
#21776727 - 06/07/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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make sure the read the psychedelic experience by Leary. As long as you follow the tenants laid out, you should be fine. I doubt there's anything that will turn you from an introvert to an extrovert though. That's just who you are.
Of course, you gotta be OK with losing who you are and dissolving into nothing and everything, although your brain will be unable to understand what's going on. Don't buy the ticket if you don't want to take the ride!
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Myopic.Skam
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Re: Advice on asocial shroomery? [Re: bennylava]
#21776729 - 06/07/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I work professionally as a behavioral analyst so that's the background I'm writing from.
I'd say to take it easy on yourself and to not think about your behavior as a "weird psychological condition. People are reinforced by different stimulus at different times, and just because you enjoy being alone doesn't have to mean you don't like (or can't learn to like) socializing.
One thing that struck my about your post, however, is that you don't sound happy with how the dog incident played out.
We avoid or escape events that have a history of being aversive. If you've contacted negative social experiences in the past, it's very possible a strong negative association exists that dictates your behavior (simple idea being that humans attempt to avoid/escape events that are punishing). The trick is how to find reinforcers to make the event neutral, or even preferred.
In this sense, shrooms can offer a novel perspective from which to view how you operate. This might be critically, lovingly, analytically. It's hard to even write about, there are so many angles to talk about what the mushroom headspace offers. I'd say find a safe space, with some safe people, and get to it!
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Re: Advice on asocial shroomery? [Re: bennylava]
#21776787 - 06/08/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm definitely an introvert, though not quite to the extent that you describe. I don't really like meeting new people, but I don't go too far out of my way to avoid it. I've got a solid group of people I'm close with and don't feel the need to expand beyond that.
In my experience, which is by no means extensive, I haven't found that shrooms change that aspect of me. I've never transformed into a social butterfly. I've tripped with friends, alone with a group of friends present, and completely by myself. my preference to trip alone is greater with larger doses, as my experiences are mostly internal and to be around others distracts from that. I'm very comfortable inside my own head and have never had a bad trip, nor have I ever been worried about having one. Not sure if I've answered your question, but there you go.
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Re: Advice on asocial shroomery? [Re: bennylava]
#21776817 - 06/08/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hear you, Im the same way. There's a chance it will pull you back into your head and let you walk around freely experiencing wonderful things in your head. There's also a chance it could trigger that anxiety you have in there and get rather punishing. Its a roll of the dice. Focus on setting..
Let me ask you this, how did you meet your wife and become willing to open up to her avoiding social situations etc.?
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bennylava
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Re: Advice on asocial shroomery? [Re: Amanita86]
#21777132 - 06/08/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Myopic.Skam said: I work professionally as a behavioral analyst so that's the background I'm writing from.
I'd say to take it easy on yourself and to not think about your behavior as a "weird psychological condition. People are reinforced by different stimulus at different times, and just because you enjoy being alone doesn't have to mean you don't like (or can't learn to like) socializing.
One thing that struck my about your post, however, is that you don't sound happy with how the dog incident played out.
We avoid or escape events that have a history of being aversive. If you've contacted negative social experiences in the past, it's very possible a strong negative association exists that dictates your behavior (simple idea being that humans attempt to avoid/escape events that are punishing). The trick is how to find reinforcers to make the event neutral, or even preferred.
In this sense, shrooms can offer a novel perspective from which to view how you operate. This might be critically, lovingly, analytically. It's hard to even write about, there are so many angles to talk about what the mushroom headspace offers. I'd say find a safe space, with some safe people, and get to it!
Well, I guess that I can't say I'm actually hoping to become and extrovert. I'm just trying to see if I can at least fall in that indifferent, neutral area that lies between the two. I seem to actually have some... I don't wanna say fear, but apprehension about new people and new social situations. I will avoid going to gatherings where I don't know anyone like the plague. I HATE it. I just do. Come to think of it you're probably right about the negative associations. I've never been good with people. Never really knew how to read them right until I get to know them. Maybe that's everyone, maybe not. But its resulted in some pretty bad experiences for me, growing up. So what you say about negative associations makes sense. I can't tell if the people are going to be nice to me, and I really can't take it when they're not. I'm certainly not a mean person and I like to think that I show everyone the respect and consideration they deserve, but you know how some people can be.
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Amanita86 said: I hear you, Im the same way. There's a chance it will pull you back into your head and let you walk around freely experiencing wonderful things in your head. There's also a chance it could trigger that anxiety you have in there and get rather punishing. Its a roll of the dice. Focus on setting..
Let me ask you this, how did you meet your wife and become willing to open up to her avoiding social situations etc.?
I met her in the comfortable friend zone. I was around my beloved good friends, and one of them had met someone else that they brought forth into the group. His sister would come out with him sometimes, and that's my wife. So it was with much greater ease. I'm not good with people. I find that generally, I don't like most people. I know that probably makes me sound like one of "those" types, but its just that I find most of them disagreeable. Most people I find to be somewhat inconsiderate. They'll often say things that I wouldn't say to them, out of being respectful. Yet they don't have any problem saying them to me.
I don't know if this is something that's normal, or what. There are of course the exceptions, and I like being around them. You know the type, those people who you just like to be around cause they're so nice. They even make you nicer when you're with them, and you have a great time together. But these people, as you all know, are far fewer than the people that you'd rather just avoid.
Combine that with the fact that you can't ever really tell if they're judging you or not, or what it is that they really think of you. New people, I mean. With the old friends its far more personal, so if they're judging me I want to know about it and see if its something that I really do need to improve on, or if I have wronged them in some way.
Edited by bennylava (06/08/15 02:46 AM)
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Re: Advice on asocial shroomery? [Re: bennylava]
#21777180 - 06/08/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also don't like meeting people either, been like that my whole life. Shrooms and acid made me accept the way I am much better, and by no means I didnt transform to anything more social. I love my head and what's in it. I often walk around and observe others without interacting, and learn much just from that.
there's to much shit and stupidity in societies, for me to wanna get involved in.
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Re: Advice on asocial shroomery? [Re: Grimley]
#21777579 - 06/08/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What he said. I love tripping. I was an introvert before, but now I enjoy my thoughts even more so I can see how psychedelics may make one even more inclined to be introverted. I trip a lot but I have close friends and family I make sure to keep close. EVEN when I just want to be alone. Sometimes you have to force relationships because deep down you know its important. Like family. Waste a day with parents and be bored, but know you love them and they love you back and that's why we're all together right now. Even when we want to hangout and do our own fun hobbies.
Being social is a sacrifice. A distraction. But in those distractions, you find love. If you have love in your life, don't let the introvert in you fade away from it.
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Re: Advice on asocial shroomery? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21777586 - 06/08/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But yeah with random strangers and kids like your example, I understand how you may feel guilty and almost selfish. But hey, you let them play for a couple minutes... and you didn't have a panic attack.
Dealing with strangers or kids like that can be annoying especially if your in the middle of something and they aren't even someone you know or love. Therefore we have way less patience for them. But seeing a kid enjoy himself like that with your dog, I can see why you would feel guilty. But dont. You be over thinking it bro. That was surely a nice gesture to even let him play with your dog at all. Seriously
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Myopic.Skam
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Re: Advice on asocial shroomery? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21778563 - 06/08/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Although your question was concerning shrooms, you might consider MDMA if your goal is to meditate on some of the themes you mentioned above. For a long time (and still to this day although in underground communities) psychotherapists used MDMA with patients as an adjunct to therapy. Something about the way it allows the user to approch thinking about difficult subjects with a sort of unconditional acceptance. Really creates fertile ground for emotional healing to take place.
Over at MAPS they are doing studies with PTSD patients, and the preliminary results are overwhelmingly positive. There is also lot of anecdotal reporting of individuals on the autism spectrum finding it helps clear up anxiety as it relates to socialising.
I dont have personal experience with the combo but people speak highly of combining shrooms and Mdma, getting a taste of both worlds.
Anyways, best of luck!
Edited by Myopic.Skam (06/08/15 12:25 PM)
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