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Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me!
    #21775187 - 06/07/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've used up like 200mg of my 250mg stash and still haven't broken through. tried the sandwich method, and even made a 'machine' but i guess the top wasn't the right material cause that didn't work either. i think the dmt just keeps burning and being wasted everytime i try it even when i don't directly touch it with the flame. really getting annoying. thinking about waiting until i get more shrooms to make it easier to breakthrough, as well as some MAOI's. it's just getting too wasteful. what do you guys suggest?
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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Travel]
    #21775206 - 06/07/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I might suggest snorting it though it will burn like all he'll but I had the same problem vaping and a friend suggested that to me cause that's how he does it. It did the job but fuck did it burn


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Grim767] * 1
    #21776143 - 06/07/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Order a ceramic filter disc. It's a vaporizer disc that you can put in your bong as a screen for the dmt. Smokes perfectly.

Sandwich is hard to breakthrough because the weed smoke expands in your lungs.

Machine is too small of a chamber.

You need to vaporize with a bong to cool the vapor and to take massive rips.


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21776179 - 06/07/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Here's my Ayahuasca recipe:

"Two tablespoons of powdered Banisteriopsis Caapi mixed in 1 liter of water in a steel pot. Add two tablespoons of vinegar. (The acid) Bring to a boil and then reduce the heat and simmer until it boils down to about 100 ML. The same with Mimosa Hostilis, this is a root bark so it doesn't come in tablespoons, but a similar proportional mass, with the two tablespoons of vinegar should be brought to a boil in 1 liter of water then let simmer until it is reduced to 100 ML of volume.

When both teas have been reduced, (Usually takes about an hour), mix both teas together in a steel pot, add two more tablespoons of vinegar and another 1 liter of water. Bring the mixture to a boil, then reduce the heat and simmer until it is reduced to about 100 ML. (Takes another hour) Repeat the process again, two more tablespoons of vinegar, another 1 liter of water and again bring to a boil, then simmer until reduced to 100 ML. (Another hour)

After this 3 hour process, (Traditional Amazonian practice takes three days to prepare this), fully strain the liquid removing any large clumps of root bark, which can then be discarded. The remaining liquid should then be cooled in a refrigerator for about 20 minutes.

The finished Ayahausca tastes awful. Eating a flower pot full of dirt would taste better, Ayahausca is the most disgusting thing you will ever taste. Prepare 1 cup of water, and a tooth brush with a non-fluoride toothpaste. Quickly ingest the Ayahausca, then wash it down with water. Brush your teeth immediately to get the taste out of your mouth- this reduces the urge to vomit. If you melt two scoops of vanilla ice cream and melt it, and add the finished Ayahuasca it can be drunk like a milkshake. (Still tastes awful, but easier to get down)

Ayahausca may cause vomiting, and you will have an urge to vomit. Try to hold the liquid in your stomach for at least an hour before vomiting. Ayahausca, unlike other psychedelics, is an enema. Expect vomiting, diarrhea, and your entire gastrointestinal track to be cleared over the coming days. (This is usually after the first session only) The gastrointestinal effects are also one of the reasons this would not be taken as a recreational drug, people who want to get high don't usually want to get sick.

The effect takes about an hour to manifest, it will then will last about 5-6 hours. Best to have a comfortable setting with no distractions, example you'd want to take this at home in your bed; this is a spiritual experience, not a party drug. Do not drive or operate equipment. Take it alone or with a trusted partner. Taking it at night in darkness adds to the experience, especially the visuals.

Works for me !


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Travel]
    #21776338 - 06/07/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What seems to work best for me is a very small test tube or some kind of meth pipe.
Some people get up in arms when you say use a meth pipe but look junkies shoot up H with needles but diabetics use them for life saving medicine. If you're just smoking DMT out of it what's the problem? 
If the glass piece has a large surface area the liquified DMT will "run away" from the heat and it won't turn to vapor.
If it has a small surface area it will have no where to go.

I just had a super nice light break through like less than 20 minutes ago lol.
I almost always forget about what really happens. It's so crazy. It's like becoming the universe and seeing true reality for the first time. Doesn't feel like any drug I've ever done. Feels like you're smoking the essence of councisness/meaning of everything or something. As Mckenna said this stuff isn't just illegal it breaks cosmic law.

It almost always taste like shit until you know what happens then you get use to it.
Just keep inhaling no matter how bad it tastes. If you stop as soon as you feel like "holy shit this is too intense" you probably won't make it. YOU MUST KEEP GOING.


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21776357 - 06/07/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Supachopped719 said:
Order a ceramic filter disc. It's a vaporizer disc that you can put in your bong as a screen for the dmt. Smokes perfectly.

Sandwich is hard to breakthrough because the weed smoke expands in your lungs.

Machine is too small of a chamber.

You need to vaporize with a bong to cool the vapor and to take massive rips.




Great advice!

Use a glass bong with ice in the ice catcher and/or in the water.

The "cermaic filter disc" goes by many names. Two common names are Health Stone and Carbon Stone.

Its not made of cermaic so maybe its a different product.

When using the health stone/carbon stone, place the stone in your glass bowl. Sprinkle your DMT on the top of the stone.

Now take a microtorch and lite it about 4-5inches away. Make sure to find your microtorches "sweet spot" distance (not too far, not too close) using the torch and a small piece of paper. Practice with the torch untill u become a pro.

wait at least an hour after your last DMT rip.

Vaporize the DMT with your microtorch while at the same time, inhaling the vapor smoke thru the bong. make sure not to burn the DMT too fast, it takes a careful eye to place the micro flame in the perfect distance away from the DMT bowl.  Then exhale real quick (if you are almost out of lung capacity) and pull the carb to inhale all the cooled down DMT vapor. Hold your hit As long as possible.

After inhaling, load another bowl of DMT at the best of your ability. Repeat the vaporizing process untill u breakthru :thumbup:

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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Grim767]
    #21777294 - 06/08/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I might suggest snorting it though it will burn like all he'll but I had the same problem vaping and a friend suggested that to me cause that's how he does it. It did the job but fuck did it burn



i even love snorting and handled 2c-b snorted, but it's freebase dmt. and don't have the experience/materials to convert it to fumarate. i would probably IM it if it was fumarate


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21777304 - 06/08/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Order a ceramic filter disc. It's a vaporizer disc that you can put in your bong as a screen for the dmt. Smokes perfectly.

Sandwich is hard to breakthrough because the weed smoke expands in your lungs.

Machine is too small of a chamber.

You need to vaporize with a bong to cool the vapor and to take massive rips.




Great advice!

Use a glass bong with ice in the ice catcher and/or in the water.

The "cermaic filter disc" goes by many names. Two common names are Health Stone and Carbon Stone.

Its not made of cermaic so maybe its a different product.

When using the health stone/carbon stone, place the stone in your glass bowl. Sprinkle your DMT on the top of the stone.

Now take a microtorch and lite it about 4-5inches away. Make sure to find your microtorches "sweet spot" distance (not too far, not too close) using the torch and a small piece of paper. Practice with the torch untill u become a pro.

wait at least an hour after your last DMT rip.

Vaporize the DMT with your microtorch while at the same time, inhaling the vapor smoke thru the bong. make sure not to burn the DMT too fast, it takes a careful eye to place the micro flame in the perfect distance away from the DMT bowl.  Then exhale real quick (if you are almost out of lung capacity) and pull the carb to inhale all the cooled down DMT vapor. Hold your hit As long as possible.

After inhaling, load another bowl of DMT at the best of your ability. Repeat the vaporizing process untill u breakthru :thumbup:

Good luck.



interesting, i'll have to look into one. i recently bought a copper scrubber for this same purpose, and if i cut off a good section it looks just like a healthstone. but didn't know microtorch needed 4-5 inches of distance from dmt lol thanks


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Travel]
    #21780226 - 06/08/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, getting the distance right is tricky, as microtorches are very hot.

DMT only needs the very  outer tip of the microtorch  to vaporize. If u go in too close with the microflame, it will burn up ypur DMT.

Practice with a piece of paper and the torch (in an area safe for tiny  fires) and practice and practice.

And dont start a fire! be safe and good luck.


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21780270 - 06/08/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I use a health stone all the time and never used a micro torch, just a regular bic and hit it like a regular bowl of weed. No need to try and get distance right, and have never burnt it.

A micro torch is useful for when you want to use some hash oil on the stone though.


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21781440 - 06/09/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A lot of people have success with the handheld vape machines. I never had the sandwich method work


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21781938 - 06/09/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Supachopped719 said:
I use a health stone all the time and never used a micro torch, just a regular bic and hit it like a regular bowl of weed. No need to try and get distance right, and have never burnt it.

A micro torch is useful for when you want to use some hash oil on the stone though.




Same here. I found that people trying too hard not to burn it actually end up not getting good hits..therefore dont do it right.

All i do is sprinkle the dmt on top of a bowl of weed and lite the dmt like i would anything else. Never has this method failed and never have i burned my product.


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21782036 - 06/09/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I suggest taking 250mg in a single hit.

It sounds irresponsible, but in all actuality you will be in no pharmocological danger, and you will probably breakthrough before you can count to 10 while holding in the hit.

Ill put 200-250 DMT crystals on top of high grade marijuana (if you don't consume cannabis you can use mint leaf, sage, whatever)

Then ill try to consume it all in one hit, hold the lighter on the bowl until you stop inhaling (if the DMT vapor (smoke) cools down before it reaches the end of the pipe, let alone your lungs it wont get any where near your system and is wasted.
β˜…β˜… keep the lighter on the bowl the WHOLE timeβ˜…β˜…

...you should have the most intense experiance of your life. Even with 100-150mgs (which is a standard hit) this technique works, but put 200mgs on the bowl any way, because until you have mastered how to smoke the stuff you are going to likely waste a good deal in the attempt to smoke it.

The problem with people not being able to breakthrough stems from two sources 1) people believe DMT to be super-potent, when in all reality if your smoking under 100-150mgs you wont have a breakthrough. And 2) most people waste the majority of the DMT before it gets to their lungs through improper smoking technique.

My advice is to go to amazon.com, order a good ammount of ACRB (acacia confusa ROOT bark; do NOT purchase trunk bark) then get some sodium hydroxide and naptha and use "thicklights ACRB Tek, or cybs ATB hybrid salt TEK" then for under $90, you will be able to extract your own, leaving you with several grams of DMT to experiment with.


When I smoke an insufficient dose of DMT it produces a head-change and psilocin similar visual hallucination then wares off, though this has only happened to me on two occasions where I intentionally smoked a 50mg dose to see what would happen. Other than that ive NEVER not had a breakthrough.

SUFFICIENT dose (150-250mgs per hit)
and proper smoking technique
are the two most crucial aspects to DMT producing a breakthrough or a failure.
(...though if you keep the dose as high as 250mgs it doesn't matter if you "mess up" your smoking technique, at this dose I generally breakthrough before I can exhale the hit...

(Shulgin greatly under-estimates dose in TIHKAL (60-100mgs), though I think he did this intentionally....the doses I am recommending are considered high, but due to the fact that most people don't properly smoke their DMT you are likley only getting 60-100mgs into your system out of the 200mgs you started with.



(The other possibility is this:
In lab experiments scientists had altered the DNA of lab mice so the mice did not produce serotonin-2C (5HT2c) receptors, and when given DMT, it had no effect on these mice, so perhaps there are humans out there, who because of genetics, don't have many or any 5HT2C receptors, and thus the DMT only produces very mild effects on them....though this quick speculation on my part it actually sounds very reasonable.)







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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum] * 1
    #21782115 - 06/09/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Vaporizing is the best way I have found to use DMT. Everyone that comes over and hits DMT out of my dab rigs blasts off without fail. Sometimes it takes a few consecutive hits, but it always works. I would ever consider smoking DMT crystal unless it was made into enhanced leaf (changa).


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21782297 - 06/09/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
I suggest taking 250mg in a single hit.

It sounds irresponsible, but in all actuality you will be in no pharmocological danger, and you will probably breakthrough before you can count to 10 while holding in the hit.

Ill put 200-250 DMT crystals on top of high grade marijuana (if you don't consume cannabis you can use mint leaf, sage, whatever)

Then ill try to consume it all in one hit, hold the lighter on the bowl until you stop inhaling (if the DMT vapor (smoke) cools down before it reaches the end of the pipe, let alone your lungs it wont get any where near your system and is wasted.
β˜…β˜… keep the lighter on the bowl the WHOLE timeβ˜…β˜…

...you should have the most intense experiance of your life. Even with 100-150mgs (which is a standard hit) this technique works, but put 200mgs on the bowl any way, because until you have mastered how to smoke the stuff you are going to likely waste a good deal in the attempt to smoke it.

The problem with people not being able to breakthrough stems from two sources 1) people believe DMT to be super-potent, when in all reality if your smoking under 100-150mgs you wont have a breakthrough. And 2) most people waste the majority of the DMT before it gets to their lungs through improper smoking technique.

My advice is to go to amazon.com, order a good ammount of ACRB (acacia confusa ROOT bark; do NOT purchase trunk bark) then get some sodium hydroxide and naptha and use "thicklights ACRB Tek, or cybs ATB hybrid salt TEK" then for under $90, you will be able to extract your own, leaving you with several grams of DMT to experiment with.


When I smoke an insufficient dose of DMT it produces a head-change and psilocin similar visual hallucination then wares off, though this has only happened to me on two occasions where I intentionally smoked a 50mg dose to see what would happen. Other than that ive NEVER not had a breakthrough.

SUFFICIENT dose (150-250mgs per hit)
and proper smoking technique
are the two most crucial aspects to DMT producing a breakthrough or a failure.
(...though if you keep the dose as high as 250mgs it doesn't matter if you "mess up" your smoking technique, at this dose I generally breakthrough before I can exhale the hit...

(Shulgin greatly under-estimates dose in TIHKAL (60-100mgs), though I think he did this intentionally....the doses I am recommending are considered high, but due to the fact that most people don't properly smoke their DMT you are likley only getting 60-100mgs into your system out of the 200mgs you started with.



(The other possibility is this:
In lab experiments scientists had altered the DNA of lab mice so the mice did not produce serotonin-2C (5HT2c) receptors, and when given DMT, it had no effect on these mice, so perhaps there are humans out there, who because of genetics, don't have many or any 5HT2C receptors, and thus the DMT only produces very mild effects on them....though this quick speculation on my part it actually sounds very reasonable.)







-E. Borodin




So wasteful. 250mg? With 'proper smoking technique' you can blackout from 50mg. Let alone breakthrough. I don't doubt you get crazy high off that, but you are wasting SOOO much product.

If I was you I would try doing a dab of 50mg and see how potent it really is.


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21784092 - 06/09/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So wasteful. 250mg? With 'proper smoking technique' you can blackout from 50mg. Let alone breakthrough. I don't doubt you get crazy high off that, but you are wasting SOOO much product.

If I was you I would try doing a dab of 50mg and see how potent it really is.






:werd:



Around 50mg off a dab nail sent me right into a black out....No need to use/waste a 1/4g in one go, a lil dab will do .






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Supachopped719 said:
I use a health stone all the time and never used a micro torch, just a regular bic and hit it like a regular bowl of weed. No need to try and get distance right, and have never burnt it.

A micro torch is useful for when you want to use some hash oil on the stone though.




Same here. I found that people trying too hard not to burn it actually end up not getting good hits..therefore dont do it right.

All i do is sprinkle the dmt on top of a bowl of weed and lite the dmt like i would anything else. Never has this method failed and never have i burned my product.







That's something I've done, I think I'm being too gentle with the heat & flame sometimes ....next few times around i'm going to "roast" it a bit more than usual.






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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: openmind]
    #21785872 - 06/09/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

openmind help me breakthrough sometime dude. I gave up but I still have some root bark i could do another extract


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: openmind]
    #21785889 - 06/09/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So wasteful. 250mg? With 'proper smoking technique' you can blackout from 50mg. Let alone breakthrough. I don't doubt you get crazy high off that, but you are wasting SOOO much product.

If I was you I would try doing a dab of 50mg and see how potent it really is.






:werd:



Around 50mg off a dab nail sent me right into a black out....No need to use/waste a 1/4g in one go, a lil dab will do .






Quote:

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Quote:

Supachopped719 said:
I use a health stone all the time and never used a micro torch, just a regular bic and hit it like a regular bowl of weed. No need to try and get distance right, and have never burnt it.

A micro torch is useful for when you want to use some hash oil on the stone though.




Same here. I found that people trying too hard not to burn it actually end up not getting good hits..therefore dont do it right.

All i do is sprinkle the dmt on top of a bowl of weed and lite the dmt like i would anything else. Never has this method failed and never have i burned my product.







That's something I've done, I think I'm being too gentle with the heat & flame sometimes ....next few times around i'm going to "roast" it a bit more than usual.






-OM



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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21787225 - 06/10/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

[Quote] Supachopped719 said " So wasteful. 250mg? With 'proper smoking technique' you can blackout from 50mg. Let alone breakthrough. I don't doubt you get crazy high off that, but you are wasting SOOO much product.

If I was you I would try doing a dab of 50mg and see how potent it really is.




Ive taken DMT in near every way possible, 50mgs is never sufficient for me.

I recommended such high doses because the OP is obviously "hard-headed" when it comes to DMT, I was simply explaining how to break the hardest head.

I don't see it as wasteful, I get a kilo of ACRB for like $75, I'm always left with more DMT than I know what to do with after a single extraction.

I'm sure there are some people who will breakthrough at 50mg, but I'm not one of them, to be honest ilk feel it at 50 but its not any more intense than psilocin at that dose fore me, that's a waste, a 15 minute psilocin high.....in all reality 100-125mgs is probably enough to have me blacked-out curled up in a ball crying, but since I smoke on top of marijuana ill put 200mgs because I'm sure some gets wasted in the process....

Everybody is different, but in my experiance 100mgs is what it takes to get somebody to breakthrough, even when its dabbed the people ive initiated into DMT still required about 100mgs or they would fail to breakthrough.

When you don't breakthrough you can still have an intense experiance, its just not a peak experiance, being re-born, having your 3rd eye opened, a life transforming event. When you smoke DMT to have a life-changing experiance, trust me, take a huge dose, then you will only have to smoke once every few years....hell I'm still processing my first DMT experiance, which to this day the first one was the most signifigant, soul-shattering, life changing thing that has ever happened to me...I didn't smoke DMT again for 3 years after that one..

So who is really wasting it?

Take a 200mg hit, you'll still be processing it 20 Yeats later....

Take a 50mg hit, chances are it will fail...(specially if your hard-headed or haven't mastered your smoking technique)

-E. Borodin


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Re: Can't breakthrough on DMT for the life of me! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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[Quote] Supachopped719 said " So wasteful. 250mg? With 'proper smoking technique' you can blackout from 50mg. Let alone breakthrough. I don't doubt you get crazy high off that, but you are wasting SOOO much product.

If I was you I would try doing a dab of 50mg and see how potent it really is.




I don't see it as wasteful,

but since I smoke on top of marijuana ill put 200mgs because I'm sure some gets wasted in the process....

Everybody is different, but in my experiance 100mgs is what it takes to get somebody to breakthrough, even when its dabbed the people ive initiated into DMT still required about 100mgs or they would fail to breakthrough.

So who is really wasting it?

Take a 50mg hit, chances are it will fail...(specially if your hard-headed or haven't mastered your smoking technique)

-E. Borodin




You have not mastered your smoking technique if you need even close to 100mg to break through.

Doing a dab is more than just hearing the nail till its red hot and dropping the D on it. It has to be a low temp dab like with wax, but even lower or you are destroying a bunch of dmt, the nail will cool eventually if you put enough on there and the last bit will vape properly.

You say you're hard headed but then what about all the people you've 'initiated' every one them hard headed too? Or maybe your technique isn't quite right. Which would be more probable?

Most everybody will be able to break through without needing even 75mg, but your group of friends ALL fall Into this hard headed category. (I don't deny hardheaded was exists when it comes to drugs)

Just the chances of all your friends being hardheaded is a lot lower than the chances of you having bad technique.

Maybe the reason you can't integrate your 250mg dose is because it's simply an overdose.
I can breakthrough on about 35mg with my healthstone in my bong, but only if I'm in the right mindset and setting. Because you can never guarantee a breakthrough, but you can guarantee an overdose black out if you smoke too much.


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