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Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes?
    #21775089 - 06/07/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have 12 williamsii seeds and am ready, just not prepared, to germinate them. All I have available for soil is Miracle Gro cactus, palm, and citrus soil, Miracle Gro potting mix, and a few quarts of perlite. Will a blend of these work for germinating peyote? And what about seedlings and mature plants? Also, I'd be really appreciative if somebody experienced could give a detailed guide to raising peyote from seed, preferably indoors.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21775122 - 06/07/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have 12 williamsii seeds and am ready, just not prepared, to germinate them. All I have available for soil is Miracle Gro cactus, palm, and citrus soil, Miracle Gro potting mix, and a few quarts of perlite. Will a blend of these work for germinating peyote? And what about seedlings and mature plants? Also, I'd be really appreciative if somebody experienced could give a detailed guide to raising peyote from seed, preferably indoors.



I would never ever use it. It's got fertilizer in it. I'd go with coco coir and perlite. I put sand in mine but it's not needed. And if you grow indoors, under fluros is good just keep them away from direct light.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21775135 - 06/07/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't miracle grow owned my Monsanto?
That alone would deter me from using it.

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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21775143 - 06/07/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Isn't miracle grow owned my Monsanto?
That alone would deter me from using it.

But also miracle grow sucks.





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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21775173 - 06/07/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Isn't miracle grow owned my Monsanto?
That alone would deter me from using it.

But also miracle grow sucks.




Now now. Lets help him out instead of dissing what he's got. I hate monsanto as much as the next guy but he is asking for advice on what to use.

But you're right. It does suck. I've just barely started cutting ties. Last I bought was the MG insecticidal soap. But I couldn't find the safe brand soap. So I settled.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: Zombi3] * 1
    #21775179 - 06/07/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Isn't miracle grow owned my Monsanto?
That alone would deter me from using it.

But also miracle grow sucks.





Miracle grow even sounds the same as Monsanto


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: JayZ Morgan]
    #21775189 - 06/07/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mature plants can be grown in 100% mineral mix like mine are. It helps immensely as the water flows freely.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21775654 - 06/07/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Isn't miracle grow owned my Monsanto?
That alone would deter me from using it.

But also miracle grow sucks.





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I disagree 100%. I use miracle grow organic garden soil, and cut it 40% with perlite. It is amazing with the trichs. Monsanto owning MG is a bonus.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21775690 - 06/07/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Organic and chemical are 2 different things. At least they are trying to get their shit together.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21775703 - 06/07/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Organic is straight up the only way I grow at home.
Ive had to use exclusively synthetic at all the greenhouses ive worked at though.

But seriously organic is 1000x more fun to grow with!


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21776138 - 06/07/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Organic is straight up the only way I grow at home.
Ive had to use exclusively synthetic at all the greenhouses ive worked at though.

But seriously organic is 1000x more fun to grow with!




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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21776521 - 06/07/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

MG contains a good bit of peat and too many chunks of wood and other debris. Which can cause the plant to rot. On top of that, it tends to be overly hydrophobic, which is problematic when trying to water. The water tends to go down the side of the pot instead of the soil soaking it up and hydrating all of the roots. You can overcome that if you water from the bottom.
If that's all you have at the moment, it can work in a pinch when you mix it with other things like perlite and coarse sand and small rocks. Your goal is to create a soil that drains well and does not become too compact. Let us know what you end up doing.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: prismism]
    #21776730 - 06/07/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know if you guys have tried it before but I've been using a mixture of 1 part coir, 1 part Sta-Green potting soil and 2 parts cleaned/rinsed miracle grow perlite for my lophs.


Sta-Green potting soil seems to have ALOT less wood chunks than any other soil I've found yet. Not the moisture control in the blue bag the potting soil in the green bag is what I've been using.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: spaceman101]
    #21778323 - 06/08/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Doesn't coir hold water?


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21779090 - 06/08/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Doesn't coir hold water?




Yup. But not as much as peat. Coir is 100 times better than peat for most applications.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: prismism]
    #21779586 - 06/08/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's easy enough to sift out the chunks of wood. If I did that, would either the cactus soil or potting soil be suitable for lophophora?


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21779677 - 06/08/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

One site suggests germinating them in course sand, which would be the easiest thing for me to get. The same site also suggests using a fish tank as a propagation chamber. I was planning on just putting saran wrap over the containers and using a heating pad if necessary. I don't know about the air exchange requirements of peyote seedlings, so, again, I'd be really grateful if somebody could post a tried-and-true method for germinating and growing peyote, preferably indoors and without spending too much money. If necessary I could order some soil supplies online, but I'm already worrying about the viability of these seeds and would like to get them in the ground ASAP.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21779712 - 06/08/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's easy enough to sift out the chunks of wood. If I did that, would either the cactus soil or potting soil be suitable for lophophora?




That's what most people do when it's the only thing available. I mean it's cactus soil for Petes sake. So it works. Not the best but it works.


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One site suggests germinating them in course sand, which would be the easiest thing for me to get. The same site also suggests using a fish tank as a propagation chamber. I was planning on just putting saran wrap over the containers and using a heating pad if necessary. I don't know about the air exchange requirements of peyote seedlings, so, again, I'd be really grateful if somebody could post a tried-and-true method for germinating and growing peyote, preferably indoors and without spending too much money. If necessary I could order some soil supplies online, but I'm already worrying about the viability of these seeds and would like to get them in the ground ASAP.






About as easy as it gets. That's Ariocarpus fissuratus .  But it can work for the majority of cacti.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21780486 - 06/08/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry, I've never grown from seed before and just want to be sure everything goes right, like a first-time parent. Thanks for the advice.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21780554 - 06/08/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you want everything to be right then you really need to go make your own soil, sans miracle grow. You can grow with it, but you're not exactly setting yourself up for success. Considering it's one of the worst products you can grow with.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: prismism]
    #21780742 - 06/08/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Considering it's one of the worst products you can grow with.




Sorry to say but I do not agree with you. Some of the prettiest flowers I've grown have been grown in this product. The company sucks, yes, but if it were a different company people would rave about it. It's not a multi billion dollar company for nothing ypu know.

I have stopped using it but thw product itself is pretty good. They stand for everything thats wrong with the world. I think thats what makes people hate on it. Chemicals :blah:

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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21780985 - 06/08/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well said. I should have been more specific though. Miracle grow is one of the worst soil brands to use for Lophs, in my opinion. I've also used it for some of my other plants with success. It doesn't suck too bad if you have experience and now how to work with it. I wouldn't use it for cacti unless it was supplemented with other materials to promote good drainage.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: prismism] * 1
    #21780999 - 06/08/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Well said. I should have been more specific though. Miracle grow is one of the worst soil brands to use for Lophs, in my opinion. I've also used it for some of my other plants with success. It doesn't suck too bad if you have experience and now how to work with it. I wouldn't use it for cacti unless it was supplemented with other materials to promote good drainage.




I made a thread on how you could cut it 50 percent with coco coir and use it for trichs. It's for quantity and not quality
Works fine for trichs but you're right, I would never even think about using it on small species cacti. It's a death sentence.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21785523 - 06/09/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well I removed most of the chunks of wood, cut it with quite a bit of sand, added perlite and mixed in some of my bonsai soil, which contains a lot of pumice. Need I add anything else? Also, should I bother trying to adjust the Ph?


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21785783 - 06/09/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No Lophophora grower worth his salt will recommend you grow them using Miracle Gro soil mixes.

You use mineral mixes that you make yourself. Lots of recipes out there. You choose one, go with it and amend it as you become more experienced with growing and soil composition.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: karode13]
    #21785884 - 06/09/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Would you suggest starting with coir and clean perlite and amending from there?


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: spaceman101]
    #21785945 - 06/09/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Should my soil have more perlite or sand?


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21786006 - 06/09/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Most people say no sand but if you have large grained sand "only" Maybe quartz sand use a lil but more perlite.


I just realized your germinating seeds so Coir and perlite with maybe a lil dab of large grained sand will do you good.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: spaceman101]
    #21786060 - 06/09/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a little worried because I didn't bother sifting the sand. Can I just add some coarse sand to it?


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21786191 - 06/09/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If it's coarse sand you'll be good but you don't need much at all if any really.


Coir and perlite is the best soil ever for germinating loph seeds. A lil coarse sand won't hurt though just don't add much.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21786799 - 06/10/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Should my soil have more perlite or sand?




More perlite

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I'm a little worried because I didn't bother sifting the sand. Can I just add some coarse sand to it?




Not needed but since you are a first time grower experiment. Eventually you will get to a recipe that suits your needs.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21787468 - 06/10/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice everyone. I think I'll plant a couple of the seeds later today. I have 3x3 pots with sandwich baggies over them on a heating pad. I wasn't measuring, but I estimate the soil is about 25% Miracle Gro, 10% pumice, 45% perlite and 20% coarse sand and pebbles. Do I need to worry about soil Ph yet?


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: karode13]
    #21788587 - 06/10/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No Lophophora grower worth his salt will recommend you grow them using Miracle Gro soil mixes.

You use mineral mixes that you make yourself. Lots of recipes out there. You choose one, go with it and amend it as you become more experienced with growing and soil composition.





As Salt isn't valued the way it once was, that phrase might be outdated. Also, that is a very broad statement to make, as there are people who grow VERY well using exclusively miracle grow.

I use exclusively MG organic garden soil amended with perlite, and sometimes coarse sand.

Ive got an experimental stone eater grow going too. The mix there is calcite, limestone, granite, and quartzite with a little perlite.

The only negative thing I can say about miracle grow organic garden soil is it does have a lot of wood chunks. none of my plants mind the mix, and it is very well draining. I do about 60/40 soil/perlite.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21788634 - 06/10/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't even know if I should respond to this. So i will anyways.

Karode is right. It's absolutely useless for lophophora or any other globular mexican species foe that matter. The simplest soil one can use is coco coir and perlite. Then just feed with a liquid fertilizer higher in the phosphorus range.

And I'm not going with the flow here or sucking up to the mod, although we are good friends, it's all my years of trials and tribulations. Many years of losing lophophora to miracle gro led me to never use it again. Any mix that holds too much water is no good for globs.

And seeing as how this man is new to lophophora, I just think it's best to help his babies get the best start. And that begins with a rocky, light and airy mixture. Lava rock is a good amendment to coco and perlite too.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21788754 - 06/10/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am all for helping him too. I would not use miracle grow soils with fertilizers already added, or any of the special "cactus" mixes either. I am just pointing out that not ALL MG is bad stuff. It hurts everyone to keep putting it out there that "all miracle grow" is trash when some of it is very well suited for growing.

I've lost a single globular in my soil mix. It was not due to the soil. I took cuttings, I didn't wait for it to callous before putting it back in soil and watering. Stupid mistake for someone with my experience, but in the world of cacti, I am still young.

I am trying different soil mixes this season, so I will learn first hand what is best in my situation. I probably need to look for something more suitable to the greenhouse environment I will be putting them into.

I will try at least 5 cacti in your coco coir/perlite mix.

My soil is by no means the best. However, it is not among the worst.

EDIT: OP do not use any Miracle grow soil for your first grow. Try his coco coir and perlite mix. It is easier.




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    #21788863 - 06/10/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I am all for helping him too. I would not use miracle grow soils with fertilizers already added, or any of the special "cactus" mixes either. I am just pointing out that not ALL MG is bad stuff. It hurts everyone to keep putting it out there that "all miracle grow" is trash when some of it is very well suited for growing.

I've lost a single globular in my soil mix. It was not due to the soil. I took cuttings, I didn't wait for it to callous before putting it back in soil and watering. Stupid mistake for someone with my experience, but in the world of cacti, I am still young.

I am trying different soil mixes this season, so I will learn first hand what is best in my situation. I probably need to look for something more suitable to the greenhouse environment I will be putting them into.

I will try at least 5 cacti in your coco coir/perlite mix.

My soil is by no means the best. However, it is not among the worst.

EDIT: OP do not use any Miracle grow soil for your first grow. Try his coco coir and perlite mix. It is easier.







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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21789413 - 06/10/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No Lophophora grower worth his salt will recommend you grow them using Miracle Gro soil mixes.

You use mineral mixes that you make yourself. Lots of recipes out there. You choose one, go with it and amend it as you become more experienced with growing and soil composition.





As Salt isn't valued the way it once was, that phrase might be outdated. Also, that is a very broad statement to make, as there are people who grow VERY well using exclusively miracle grow.

I use exclusively MG organic garden soil amended with perlite, and sometimes coarse sand.

Ive got an experimental stone eater grow going too. The mix there is calcite, limestone, granite, and quartzite with a little perlite.

The only negative thing I can say about miracle grow organic garden soil is it does have a lot of wood chunks. none of my plants mind the mix, and it is very well draining. I do about 60/40 soil/perlite.





Again, anyone who has grown for quite some time and knows what they're doing wouldn't recommend you use miracle gro soils exclusively to grow lophophora. They would recommend you use a mineral mix instead or one very low in organic matter. I'm talking from experience here, I don't know how long you've grown for but when I post I post about my experiences, not what others somewhere else do. Wood chunks don't mean much, it's the peat content of the soils that cause them trouble.

Using Miracle gro products to make up a cactus soil is fine. It's when you use the soil straight out of the bag unamended is when it will cause you problems. 

Out of the ingredients listed in the OP I'd use either of the soils cut with 50% perlite. This would get them germinating and growing and in the meantime I'd research different soils to plant them in a few months down the line. The soil they're germinated in isn't as important as the soil they grow in as they get older. They're less finicky when young.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: karode13]
    #21789634 - 06/10/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I am all for helping him too. I would not use miracle grow soils with fertilizers already added, or any of the special "cactus" mixes either. I am just pointing out that not ALL MG is bad stuff. It hurts everyone to keep putting it out there that "all miracle grow" is trash when some of it is very well suited for growing.

I've lost a single globular in my soil mix. It was not due to the soil. I took cuttings, I didn't wait for it to callous before putting it back in soil and watering. Stupid mistake for someone with my experience, but in the world of cacti, I am still young.

I am trying different soil mixes this season, so I will learn first hand what is best in my situation. I probably need to look for something more suitable to the greenhouse environment I will be putting them into.

I will try at least 5 cacti in your coco coir/perlite mix.

My soil is by no means the best. However, it is not among the worst.

EDIT: OP do not use any Miracle grow soil for your first grow. Try his coco coir and perlite mix. It is easier.







I gotcha man. I know. I use MG for other stuff and to make trich soil on the cheap. I'm gonna start moving to other brands like sta-green and fertilome.






I knew I wasn't the only one that used that stuff. It's pretty good soil aint it ferrel "I'm talking about Sta-Green"?



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No Lophophora grower worth his salt will recommend you grow them using Miracle Gro soil mixes.

You use mineral mixes that you make yourself. Lots of recipes out there. You choose one, go with it and amend it as you become more experienced with growing and soil composition.





As Salt isn't valued the way it once was, that phrase might be outdated. Also, that is a very broad statement to make, as there are people who grow VERY well using exclusively miracle grow.

I use exclusively MG organic garden soil amended with perlite, and sometimes coarse sand.

I've got an experimental stone eater grow going too. The mix there is calcite, limestone, granite, and quartzite with a little perlite.

The only negative thing I can say about miracle grow organic garden soil is it does have a lot of wood chunks. none of my plants mind the mix, and it is very well draining. I do about 60/40 soil/perlite.





Again, anyone who has grown for quite some time and knows what they're doing wouldn't recommend you use miracle gro soils exclusively to grow lophophora. They would recommend you use a mineral mix instead or one very low in organic matter. I'm talking from experience here, I don't know how long you've grown for but when I post I post about my experiences, not what others somewhere else do. Wood chunks don't mean much, it's the peat content of the soils that cause them trouble.

Using Miracle gro products to make up a cactus soil is fine. It's when you use the soil straight out of the bag unamended is when it will cause you problems. 

Out of the ingredients listed in the OP I'd use either of the soils cut with 50% perlite. This would get them germinating and growing and in the meantime I'd research different soils to plant them in a few months down the line. The soil they're germinated in isn't as important as the soil they grow in as they get older. They're less finicky when young.


Hopefully that post wasn't too broad and the language I used was more fashionable.






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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: spaceman101]
    #21790202 - 06/10/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would use sta-green 10 times over miracle gro any time. But not for lophophora. I'd use it and miracle gro for other soil applications. But never to germinate lophophora or to actually keep globular cacti. It's counterintuitive to do so.

@spaceman- sta-green anuthing is way better than  miracle gro. I used the lawn fertilizer and it's been helping green my lawn ju st nice.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21790541 - 06/10/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do I need to worry about measuring and adjusting Ph yet?


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21790621 - 06/10/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No need if your using perlite and coir.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: spaceman101]
    #21793686 - 06/11/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I planted 6 of the seeds in my soil, covered the pot with a ziploc bag, and placed it about 8 inches under a flourescent lamp that goes 16 hours on and 8 hours off. The grow area is at a pretty stable 80 degrees when the lamp is on. I didn't use a heating pad. Do I need to change anything?


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    #21794683 - 06/11/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Please tell me you didn't use that miracle grow soil.

Other than that sounds good.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: spaceman101]
    #21795185 - 06/11/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well I did use it but adjusted it heavily with other stuff.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
    #21795195 - 06/11/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So long as your soil is amended well and not straight soil they should do ok. Goodluck.


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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: karode13]
    #21813898 - 06/16/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

None have germinated yet, and there's a fungus growing on the surface of the soil. Looks like a cobweb mold, but could be P. cubensis. Can I kill it without damaging my seeds?


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    #21814116 - 06/16/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

how could it be cubensis?


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    #21814639 - 06/16/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's possible some spores could've landed in my substrate. I sanitized it, though.


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    #21815036 - 06/16/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Cubensis spores don't germinate in soil. They usually need a substrate with more nutrition than that. A white mold growing over the surface of potting soil is usually a harmless saprophytic fungus. Give the humidity chamber some occasional fresh air and it should eventually clear up.


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    #21815097 - 06/16/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Cubensis spores don't germinate in soil. They usually need a substrate with more nutrition than that. A white mold growing over the surface of potting soil is usually a harmless saprophytic fungus. Give the humidity chamber some occasional fresh air and it should eventually clear up.




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    #21818529 - 06/17/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've actually had cubensis grow and fruit in straight perlite, so I don't think it's out of the question. I'll start airing it out. Thanks for the advice.


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    #21820807 - 06/17/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Did you germinate spores in the perlite or spawn mycelium to perlite? I would guess the latter. If you had spores germinate in straight perlite or soil I would need to have photographic proof before I believe you.


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    #21824354 - 06/18/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sometimes they pop fast, sometimes they don't.

Ive got 120 seeds waiting to pop..none yet.

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    #21825736 - 06/18/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Did you germinate spores in the perlite or spawn mycelium to perlite? I would guess the latter. If you had spores germinate in straight perlite or soil I would need to have photographic proof before I believe you.




I had some cakes in a FC held up a good 4 inches above the perlite by some wire screen. I went out of town for a few days and spores were dropped. Eventually mycelium grew in the perlite and even fruited, but they were some skimpy-ass mushrooms.


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    #21825759 - 06/18/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

2 of the 6 have germinated, but that fungus is still going. I haven't used any peroxide because I don't wan't to damage the seedlings. When do I need to worry about feeding, and what should I use?


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    #21825790 - 06/18/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Fan the soil more if you don't want to use peroxide, although doing so will be fine. It's the high humidity that's causing the cobweb mould, drying the topsoil will kill it.

No need to fertilise just yet. I usually do that 3 or so months down the track and when you do you can use most common garden fertilisers at quarter strength. There is specific cactus fertilisers if you want ot source those but most fertiliser will work. Choose ones for trees and shrubs as they usually have ok ratios of NPK.


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    #21825816 - 06/18/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Fan the soil more if you don't want to use peroxide, although doing so will be fine. It's the high humidity that's causing the cobweb mould, drying the topsoil will kill it.

No need to fertilise just yet. I usually do that 3 or so months down the track and when you do you can use most common garden fertilisers at quarter strength. There is specific cactus fertilisers if you want ot source those but most fertiliser will work. Choose ones for trees and shrubs as they usually have ok ratios of NPK.




I often hear people say not to fertilize for the first year. It is good to know its safe as early as three months. I have some seedlings at one month now.


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    #22298313 - 09/27/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lophophora and other Mexican desert cacti just do not like peat or coir - both are totally alien to them.  They grow naturally in a gritty soil with loads of lime.
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2 measures loam
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