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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: prismism]
#21780742 - 06/08/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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prismism said: Considering it's one of the worst products you can grow with.
Sorry to say but I do not agree with you. Some of the prettiest flowers I've grown have been grown in this product. The company sucks, yes, but if it were a different company people would rave about it. It's not a multi billion dollar company for nothing ypu know.
I have stopped using it but thw product itself is pretty good. They stand for everything thats wrong with the world. I think thats what makes people hate on it. Chemicals
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
#21780985 - 06/08/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well said. I should have been more specific though. Miracle grow is one of the worst soil brands to use for Lophs, in my opinion. I've also used it for some of my other plants with success. It doesn't suck too bad if you have experience and now how to work with it. I wouldn't use it for cacti unless it was supplemented with other materials to promote good drainage.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: prismism] 1
#21780999 - 06/08/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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prismism said: Well said. I should have been more specific though. Miracle grow is one of the worst soil brands to use for Lophs, in my opinion. I've also used it for some of my other plants with success. It doesn't suck too bad if you have experience and now how to work with it. I wouldn't use it for cacti unless it was supplemented with other materials to promote good drainage.
I made a thread on how you could cut it 50 percent with coco coir and use it for trichs. It's for quantity and not quality Works fine for trichs but you're right, I would never even think about using it on small species cacti. It's a death sentence.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
#21785523 - 06/09/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I removed most of the chunks of wood, cut it with quite a bit of sand, added perlite and mixed in some of my bonsai soil, which contains a lot of pumice. Need I add anything else? Also, should I bother trying to adjust the Ph?
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
#21785783 - 06/09/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No Lophophora grower worth his salt will recommend you grow them using Miracle Gro soil mixes.
You use mineral mixes that you make yourself. Lots of recipes out there. You choose one, go with it and amend it as you become more experienced with growing and soil composition.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: karode13]
#21785884 - 06/09/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would you suggest starting with coir and clean perlite and amending from there?
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: spaceman101]
#21785945 - 06/09/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Should my soil have more perlite or sand?
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
#21786006 - 06/09/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Most people say no sand but if you have large grained sand "only" Maybe quartz sand use a lil but more perlite.
I just realized your germinating seeds so Coir and perlite with maybe a lil dab of large grained sand will do you good.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: spaceman101]
#21786060 - 06/09/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm a little worried because I didn't bother sifting the sand. Can I just add some coarse sand to it?
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
#21786191 - 06/09/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If it's coarse sand you'll be good but you don't need much at all if any really.
Coir and perlite is the best soil ever for germinating loph seeds. A lil coarse sand won't hurt though just don't add much.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: saythatagain]
#21786799 - 06/10/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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saythatagain said: Should my soil have more perlite or sand?
More perlite
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saythatagain said: I'm a little worried because I didn't bother sifting the sand. Can I just add some coarse sand to it?
Not needed but since you are a first time grower experiment. Eventually you will get to a recipe that suits your needs.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
#21787468 - 06/10/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the advice everyone. I think I'll plant a couple of the seeds later today. I have 3x3 pots with sandwich baggies over them on a heating pad. I wasn't measuring, but I estimate the soil is about 25% Miracle Gro, 10% pumice, 45% perlite and 20% coarse sand and pebbles. Do I need to worry about soil Ph yet?
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: karode13]
#21788587 - 06/10/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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karode13 said: No Lophophora grower worth his salt will recommend you grow them using Miracle Gro soil mixes.
You use mineral mixes that you make yourself. Lots of recipes out there. You choose one, go with it and amend it as you become more experienced with growing and soil composition.
As Salt isn't valued the way it once was, that phrase might be outdated. Also, that is a very broad statement to make, as there are people who grow VERY well using exclusively miracle grow.
I use exclusively MG organic garden soil amended with perlite, and sometimes coarse sand.
Ive got an experimental stone eater grow going too. The mix there is calcite, limestone, granite, and quartzite with a little perlite.
The only negative thing I can say about miracle grow organic garden soil is it does have a lot of wood chunks. none of my plants mind the mix, and it is very well draining. I do about 60/40 soil/perlite.
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I don't even know if I should respond to this. So i will anyways.
Karode is right. It's absolutely useless for lophophora or any other globular mexican species foe that matter. The simplest soil one can use is coco coir and perlite. Then just feed with a liquid fertilizer higher in the phosphorus range.
And I'm not going with the flow here or sucking up to the mod, although we are good friends, it's all my years of trials and tribulations. Many years of losing lophophora to miracle gro led me to never use it again. Any mix that holds too much water is no good for globs.
And seeing as how this man is new to lophophora, I just think it's best to help his babies get the best start. And that begins with a rocky, light and airy mixture. Lava rock is a good amendment to coco and perlite too.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
#21788754 - 06/10/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am all for helping him too. I would not use miracle grow soils with fertilizers already added, or any of the special "cactus" mixes either. I am just pointing out that not ALL MG is bad stuff. It hurts everyone to keep putting it out there that "all miracle grow" is trash when some of it is very well suited for growing.
I've lost a single globular in my soil mix. It was not due to the soil. I took cuttings, I didn't wait for it to callous before putting it back in soil and watering. Stupid mistake for someone with my experience, but in the world of cacti, I am still young.
I am trying different soil mixes this season, so I will learn first hand what is best in my situation. I probably need to look for something more suitable to the greenhouse environment I will be putting them into.
I will try at least 5 cacti in your coco coir/perlite mix.
My soil is by no means the best. However, it is not among the worst.
EDIT: OP do not use any Miracle grow soil for your first grow. Try his coco coir and perlite mix. It is easier.
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kosmokratorshaman said: I am all for helping him too. I would not use miracle grow soils with fertilizers already added, or any of the special "cactus" mixes either. I am just pointing out that not ALL MG is bad stuff. It hurts everyone to keep putting it out there that "all miracle grow" is trash when some of it is very well suited for growing.
I've lost a single globular in my soil mix. It was not due to the soil. I took cuttings, I didn't wait for it to callous before putting it back in soil and watering. Stupid mistake for someone with my experience, but in the world of cacti, I am still young.
I am trying different soil mixes this season, so I will learn first hand what is best in my situation. I probably need to look for something more suitable to the greenhouse environment I will be putting them into.
I will try at least 5 cacti in your coco coir/perlite mix.
My soil is by no means the best. However, it is not among the worst.
EDIT: OP do not use any Miracle grow soil for your first grow. Try his coco coir and perlite mix. It is easier.
I gotcha man. I know. I use MG for other stuff and to make trich soil on the cheap. I'm gonna start moving to other brands like sta-green and fertilome.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
#21789413 - 06/10/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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karode13 said: No Lophophora grower worth his salt will recommend you grow them using Miracle Gro soil mixes.
You use mineral mixes that you make yourself. Lots of recipes out there. You choose one, go with it and amend it as you become more experienced with growing and soil composition.
As Salt isn't valued the way it once was, that phrase might be outdated. Also, that is a very broad statement to make, as there are people who grow VERY well using exclusively miracle grow.
I use exclusively MG organic garden soil amended with perlite, and sometimes coarse sand.
Ive got an experimental stone eater grow going too. The mix there is calcite, limestone, granite, and quartzite with a little perlite.
The only negative thing I can say about miracle grow organic garden soil is it does have a lot of wood chunks. none of my plants mind the mix, and it is very well draining. I do about 60/40 soil/perlite.
Again, anyone who has grown for quite some time and knows what they're doing wouldn't recommend you use miracle gro soils exclusively to grow lophophora. They would recommend you use a mineral mix instead or one very low in organic matter. I'm talking from experience here, I don't know how long you've grown for but when I post I post about my experiences, not what others somewhere else do. Wood chunks don't mean much, it's the peat content of the soils that cause them trouble.
Using Miracle gro products to make up a cactus soil is fine. It's when you use the soil straight out of the bag unamended is when it will cause you problems.
Out of the ingredients listed in the OP I'd use either of the soils cut with 50% perlite. This would get them germinating and growing and in the meantime I'd research different soils to plant them in a few months down the line. The soil they're germinated in isn't as important as the soil they grow in as they get older. They're less finicky when young.
Hopefully that post wasn't too broad and the language I used was more fashionable.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: karode13]
#21789634 - 06/10/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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kosmokratorshaman said: I am all for helping him too. I would not use miracle grow soils with fertilizers already added, or any of the special "cactus" mixes either. I am just pointing out that not ALL MG is bad stuff. It hurts everyone to keep putting it out there that "all miracle grow" is trash when some of it is very well suited for growing.
I've lost a single globular in my soil mix. It was not due to the soil. I took cuttings, I didn't wait for it to callous before putting it back in soil and watering. Stupid mistake for someone with my experience, but in the world of cacti, I am still young.
I am trying different soil mixes this season, so I will learn first hand what is best in my situation. I probably need to look for something more suitable to the greenhouse environment I will be putting them into.
I will try at least 5 cacti in your coco coir/perlite mix.
My soil is by no means the best. However, it is not among the worst.
EDIT: OP do not use any Miracle grow soil for your first grow. Try his coco coir and perlite mix. It is easier.
I gotcha man. I know. I use MG for other stuff and to make trich soil on the cheap. I'm gonna start moving to other brands like sta-green and fertilome.
I knew I wasn't the only one that used that stuff. It's pretty good soil aint it ferrel "I'm talking about Sta-Green"?
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karode13 said: No Lophophora grower worth his salt will recommend you grow them using Miracle Gro soil mixes.
You use mineral mixes that you make yourself. Lots of recipes out there. You choose one, go with it and amend it as you become more experienced with growing and soil composition.
As Salt isn't valued the way it once was, that phrase might be outdated. Also, that is a very broad statement to make, as there are people who grow VERY well using exclusively miracle grow.
I use exclusively MG organic garden soil amended with perlite, and sometimes coarse sand.
I've got an experimental stone eater grow going too. The mix there is calcite, limestone, granite, and quartzite with a little perlite.
The only negative thing I can say about miracle grow organic garden soil is it does have a lot of wood chunks. none of my plants mind the mix, and it is very well draining. I do about 60/40 soil/perlite.
Again, anyone who has grown for quite some time and knows what they're doing wouldn't recommend you use miracle gro soils exclusively to grow lophophora. They would recommend you use a mineral mix instead or one very low in organic matter. I'm talking from experience here, I don't know how long you've grown for but when I post I post about my experiences, not what others somewhere else do. Wood chunks don't mean much, it's the peat content of the soils that cause them trouble.
Using Miracle gro products to make up a cactus soil is fine. It's when you use the soil straight out of the bag unamended is when it will cause you problems.
Out of the ingredients listed in the OP I'd use either of the soils cut with 50% perlite. This would get them germinating and growing and in the meantime I'd research different soils to plant them in a few months down the line. The soil they're germinated in isn't as important as the soil they grow in as they get older. They're less finicky when young.
Hopefully that post wasn't too broad and the language I used was more fashionable.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: spaceman101]
#21790202 - 06/10/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would use sta-green 10 times over miracle gro any time. But not for lophophora. I'd use it and miracle gro for other soil applications. But never to germinate lophophora or to actually keep globular cacti. It's counterintuitive to do so.
@spaceman- sta-green anuthing is way better than miracle gro. I used the lawn fertilizer and it's been helping green my lawn ju st nice.
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Re: Can I grow peyote with Miracle Gro soil mixes? [Re: ferrel_human]
#21790541 - 06/10/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do I need to worry about measuring and adjusting Ph yet?
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