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solarshroomster
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The question no human can answer 1
#21775035 - 06/07/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why did reality come into being?
I believe Reality must have timelessly created itself but that act of creation counts as a "real" event and thus is not external to the reality it is creating. Paradox.
Creator creating Creation creating Creator.
Where did the potential for Existence come from? If there is a logical reason for reality to exist, where did that logic come from? It's outside of time and space, eternal yet why is it there? This seems to be pretty clearly a veil that we can't pierce. Yet we are one with it... how can we ever know our True Self?
Lose your "selves" in wonder...
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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while i certainly don't know the answer, i lean towards the idea that God/existence/etc is always expanding and refining itself infinitely - and that we, as individualized aspects of God are going through experiences to cultivate mastery on all levels and bring it back to the collective - that we are part of God's continual infinite evolution
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Re: The question no human can answer [Re: deff]
#21775289 - 06/07/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i really think we are the creator.
reality is only subjective. for example, while everyone could see the apple your pointing, if you stop looking at the apple, the apple falls out of creation for you. do the apple exist? not in your mind anymore. by looking at the apple, which is only a form and a colour, and then saying: thats is a apple (in your mind), you created that ''apple''.
also, its important to know that everything you see as big, like a apple, a car, even a small piece of bread, is made of even smaller particles. when you get down to the smallest particles, there's no apple, no bread, no car. only small particles that science as told us that constantly collapse, change, ect.
therefore, the reality we imagine in our mind as nothing to do with what reality really is.
but, we dont exist. we are not a thing, there are no thing in the universe, only this constant movement of particles collapsing into each other and changing all the time.
creation is a illusion. especially material reality
Edited by youknowyou (06/07/15 06:02 PM)
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Re: The question no human can answer [Re: youknowyou] 1
#21781683 - 06/09/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That question is not unanswerable. I have been pondering it for 42 years and results are pouring in lately.
To borrow from the bible, the first line from the first book says it all really:
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In the beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth.
Genesis 1:1
THat is it. Let me dissect it for you.
As we know from Eastern Philosophy, theres duality in the universe and All Is One.
So how did this universe come into being?
First the first duality sprang forth out of the Oneness.
THE FIRST DUALITY:
"God created In The Beginning"
For a universe to start, the Oneness needed a beginning, so it first created Time. God + Time
THE SECOND DUALITY
"God created the Heaven and the Earth"
The Oneness is now a Duality. This duality, together, The Oneness and Separation (Time) created the Heaven (Void, Space) and and the Earth (Matter)
So there you have it. The Oneness formed the First Duality and the First Duality created the Second Duality and so forth. Now there are Four, now things can truly begin.
Aha, efendi, your question is: what is the nature of this Oneness? A physicist who thinks along could answer that.
The nature of the undivided Oneness, is attraction without repulsion. In physics this expresses as Gravity, as the Electromagnetic Force, as the Strong Force and Weak Force that comprise the forces of the universe.
A force of attraction without repulsion, attracting itself, to pieces and back again, for all eternity.
In humans, it expresses most clearly as LOVE. You can love each other to pieces and love can bring yo together.
Whats love got to do with it?
"Attraction/Affinity" is a dynamic force. In order for something to be dynamic, there must be a degree of Awareness, like the revolution of the moon around the earth causes the tides. That is an awareness of sorts. Thus..
The Universe in all of its guises is Self Aware. It is an attraction, it is a consciousness, it could be called an organism and since its all there is you could call it a Deity. The Universe is a God.
Note how each collection of Dualities, creates the next collection of Dualities, doubling the complexity of the universe each time. After maximal complexity is reached it attracts towards decreased complexity until it is One again, and the cycle is complete:
1 2 4 8 16 32 64 32 16 6 4 2 1
Each increment is the sum of all Duality therefore is the Universe entirely. Aly group of increments and all increments entirely are the Universe entirely. That means that every single thing in the universe, IS the universe entirely. Every single thing is the center of the universe.
Your entire life is the universe entirely You are the universe entirely Each organ of you is the universe entirely Each cell of you is the universe entirely each molecule of you is the universe entirely each atom of you is the universe entirely
All Is One - You Are That.
Your nature is not that of the set of dualities that comprises your life, no you die and are being reborn constantly, this is what propels you through time.
YOU ARE THE UNIVERSE ENTIRELY, TRANSFORMING ITSELF INTO ALL ITS GUISES FOR ALL ETERNITY.
You are a human,. a thought, a galaxy, a rainbow.. there is a succession in all things and that is the path of your evolution.
There, an answer to your question. Think hard about it and tell me if you hear the music.
All Is One - You Are That The Only Reality is Love, Everything Else is an Illusion. You are the Universe experiencing itself. In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. Every Angel is a God. Yin Is Yang.
Its all true. All metaphors for the same thing.
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Re: The question no human can answer [Re: Asante] 1
#21783036 - 06/09/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have understood the same basic message that underlies all of the posts above. Thanks for confirming that we are on the same page: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21774975
Yet, I'm just wondering... where did the Oneness / Existence come from? If it is eternal and outside time and space, it didn't come from any"where" but just IS. Oneness is "real" and therefore not external to "reality". Existence EXISTS. Still... that doesn't sound like nothing though, and I don't understand why there wouldn't be a total blankness such that the property of oneness doesn't exist? Anything is something, even "nothing" or "existence".
To me, this seems like a boundary. Reason breaks down at certain limits, and the ordinary form of mind we are in (ordinary state of consciousness) is not amenable to understanding all that is going on. It also seems like we are all WITHIN our Self and need to see the very "periphery", metaphorically, of our Existence to know it... paradox.
My feeling is that Mind creates reality and that we are a master story teller. We live in our Imagination. Everything is just an idea... and therefore not truly "there" or in "time". But the ideas are self-aware and can form coherent realities / other forms of existence, some of which are "objective" because other imaginary people can point to it and agree, and we believe our hallucination to be real. Saying that ideas are self-aware is the same as saying that reality is a Mind.
Everything is just an idea, even existence. Reality / Mind timelessly created itself by Understanding. We created ourselves.
In mystical experiences all of this information comes together to form a coherent answer... as if everyone has been talking about the same thing for eternity. Everything is reconciled.
Even if we are always within our self, I believe we can know our Source through mystical revelation. However, this can't be communicated by words since it is an intuitive understanding. The cave of shadows is where we dwell for now. Once free, we know.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
Edited by solarshroomster (06/09/15 01:14 PM)
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I believe this reality is just a mere thought projection from the One in order to self-experiment in various levels and reassure itself as love only.
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Re: The question no human can answer [Re: deff]
#21783246 - 06/09/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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deff said: while i certainly don't know the answer, i lean towards the idea that God/existence/etc is always expanding and refining itself infinitely - and that we, as individualized aspects of God are going through experiences to cultivate mastery on all levels and bring it back to the collective - that we are part of God's continual infinite evolution 
It feels good reading this, right on the spot
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Re: The question no human can answer [Re: Thaj]
#21819543 - 06/17/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it can be answered, and I think it will be answered.
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solarshroomster said: Why did reality come into being?
I believe Reality must have timelessly created itself but that act of creation counts as a "real" event and thus is not external to the reality it is creating. Paradox.
Creator creating Creation creating Creator.
Where did the potential for Existence come from? If there is a logical reason for reality to exist, where did that logic come from? It's outside of time and space, eternal yet why is it there? This seems to be pretty clearly a veil that we can't pierce. Yet we are one with it... how can we ever know our True Self?
Lose your "selves" in wonder...
There is no answer, because there is no question. "Why" is a human concept, useful for our species for various reasons pertaining to its survival. The universe simply exists, and it has always existed. This is in counterposition to "nothingness," which is also a human concept -- artificial. Once you see past this duality, one sees that nature simply is. The disappearance of the question is the answer.
"What is called Nothingness is to be found only in time and in speech." --Leonardo da Vinci
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this.
there is always an answer, or a void question.
either / or
(i.e. Q. which - chicken / egg ?) (A: "neither")
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"what did reality come to being" (= "what is the meaning of life").
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improper question.
why not ask yourself instead "what is the meaning of light" ?
what is the meaning of "spider" ?
what is the meaning of "soil" ?
etc ?,
is it not the same voided question ?
and don't we already have the answer ?
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Re: The question no human can answer [Re: stupididiot]
#21834926 - 06/21/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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God alone exists and this is the great mystery - why do You, O ancient one, exist? It is the mystery of being itself. It is difficult not to slip into sheer paranoia amidst contemplating this.
I think there is a beautiful answer awaiting.
Beautiful, strange and sacred.
The world itself may be a living proposition of 'figure me out'. It has come to be through a kind of mystery itself.
The mundane culture is an intelligence test, it's a threshold to cross, to think that things are hum drum. Because to know the conundrum of being and investigate it is purely an individual adventure and is not a team sport, so inner strength is required to first define oneself in one's own terms, ie. come into one's own. Be an individual. Only with the accomplishment of individuality, of the type Carl Jung was keenly interested in, can one dare to trust oneself. Until such time, one is in limbo. The culture is the great mass of in limbo self-murderers. They laugh at the notion of the world being a mystery, the world is culturally defined as an artifact and the human world is among the secondary qualities of the universe. Consciousness is an epiphenomenon. These are all hopelessly wrong ideas, and the result is to dis-empower the individual. Isn't that obvious... that the individual is a TARGET in all these ideologies. So it is also obvious the individual must have more power than it is told through education. The individual mind, life and moment are the keys to the universe.
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Edited by circastes (06/21/15 12:48 AM)
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Re: The question no human can answer [Re: circastes]
#21842481 - 06/22/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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dis is much better. stay recent, haha.
nice quote div/qua,
i also adore 'chained to a star does not move'
also you choosin' tha blake quote was quite alrite
had been thinkin' bout' it tha day before, and 1 before
Methinks.
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