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Machiavelliavore
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: insanemike]
#21781156 - 06/08/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Initial sidepins when the sub is still flush with the container walls have tended to be insane fat stemmed giants for me. After the substrate shrinks, spindley thin mushrooms seem more prone to form from the sides.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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mustangbob3
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all interesting stuff! The theorys need testing... cant wait till someone takes up the task:)
the pics of PE from hawkseye look like they was grown in high co2 on purpose! lol

could they have been struggling to get a penis shaped fruit for the camera so had to resort to stress?
why is that pic still even up?
sure they could have grown better looking and more true to type! or did they grow them like that on purpose to exaggerate the look of the mushrooms from stress?
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PrimalSoup
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21781584 - 06/09/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said: Thanks PW. I like to reformulate your title though
If cube varieties are different from one another, how come nobody can tell which is which?
Ah but that is the crux. Some you can tell or at least narrow down. I can easily distinguish a PE from APE or AA+ from B+. I can distingiush a CRS from a KSSS. Most asians can tell the difference between a Japanese person vs a Korean but I can't. Does that mean they're wrong? Does it make me right?
My PE have had separable pellicles that were hydrophilic, I don't see that in other cubes, although "psilocybe" means "bare headed" for this very reason and it's common in wood lovers. That and the slower growth and greater potency, as well as the different taste (at least as tea) makes me suspicious of what it really is...
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Pastywhyte
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21781742 - 06/09/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well it has to be a cube, its doubtful that APE would have been possible if it wasn't. But you are kinda on an interesting track. At some point after enough mutation there is a divergence. None of the selective mutation PE exhibits would give it any sort of advantage in the wild. But it still has happened. Certainly the mutations gave it an advantage in getting people to grow it 
It would be really cool to see if anyone has done a real microscopy on it. Be even more interesting to see what a dna analysis would turn up. I know that the dna of some of the species in section mexicana is so close that many now consider galindoi, p mex, and p tampanensis to be the same.
Certainly we can agree that conditions for PE are slightly different from most cubes. Reproduction strategy is certainly no longer the same. I would love to see what some of the MHID guys had to say on that.
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LeopardMan
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21781817 - 06/09/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Unfortunately without a serious scientific research we can only speculate.
Some see PE similarities with cubes, some others its differences.
We don't know where PE is coming from. We don't even know if it's actually more potent than normal cubes (I personally have some doubts). We don't know anything about cubes potency too.
And you know why? Because some ignorant politicians elected by ignorant voters have decided that psilocybin is illegal. Go figure.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21781824 - 06/09/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There might be some who may be willing to help. Also medical research and trials are starting to be conducted by various institutions worldwide. I expect that some better peer reviewed research may be coming soon.
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insanemike

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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21781844 - 06/09/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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To add to what pasty said, leopard, there have been some clinical studies done on psilocybin and its use to treat depression. Things like these are exactly how the cannabis movement got started. It's only a manner of time before public opinion changes toward mushrooms also.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: insanemike]
#21781880 - 06/09/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, I am aware of that. Cluster headache too.
It's good, and I am supportive of this, still it looks kinda weird to me. It seems that people can only accept mind altering substances when you tell them that they are medicines
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21781930 - 06/09/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I've said for years that cubes are cubes, with the exception of PE, which seems to be the only truly different 'strain'. RR
Funny I found this quote in the above link. For me rr was the one who coined the term and actually enforced it to be known among shroomerites.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21781947 - 06/09/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Workman said:
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i am not saying that i had anything to do with the development of this strain but i did have a direct hand in its re-emergence. i have heard mjshroomer takes the same stance, which i do not doubt. but years and years and YEARS ago i was a member of the shroomery. been so long i honestly have forgotten my old screen name(ADMINS: would love to figure out how to retrieve it!) anyhow, i was given a print (a dark, normal looking print to boot!) from an individual who claims he received it from Mckenna himself YEARS prior. we were not even sure if it was viable - it was very old and dry. sure enough it was and i began cultivating it like mad. anyhow, i contacted workman - this was when he was just starting sporeworks. i sent him a sample of it (and if workman is reading this i hope he remembers me - i was the guy that also sent you a bunch of Pan Cyan prints on slides...) anyhow, that was really the only strain i worked with for years. outdoor grows are amaziiiiiing with it - best shot at getting a print like the original.
I do remember! And it is good to have you back but, unfortunately, I don't remember your old nickname. I might have it written down somewhere.
The Sporeworks.com PE is a direct descendant of your original sample, which I still have in cold storage (circa 1997-98). At the time I don't think you even called it Penis Envy, but just an exceptionally potent cubensis. I remember specifically that you mentioned more normal looking fruits with outdoor cultivations.
MJshroomers stock is from Rich Gee's company in Washington (now defunct) and I don't know if it predates your material, but it well might. By looking at the old promotional material, they do seem to be from a common source. I don't know who originally came up with the PE name, but MJshroomer definately had a hand in at least increasing the awareness of this strain on the boards. I even have an old Rich Gee swab via MJshroomer that I should test out.
Again. is definately good to have you back. Drop me a PM sometime and we can talk about old times
thought it was relevant to the thread found here
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wowimflabbergasted
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21782002 - 06/09/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I find it so cool how we are learning more and more about these beautiful specimens everyday. I can't wait until actual research comes out and I can look back on this thread and others and say, wow...how fucking awesome was that? Intelligent dudes trying to learn and understand something no one has a clue about and I really think you guys are onto something. There isn't much in this world anymore that humans have literally no clue about. Well, there probably is, but mushrooms seem to be less understood then many/most other living organisms. I feel like we're on the forefront and there is so much more to be discovered. It's really exciting!
PE to me is an entirely different experience, one that I like in small doses. More potent than normal cubes? I don't know...depends what you consider potent I suppose. They put me in a different place altogether. I think consolidation does play a role in potency and that it will eventually be proven. Again, we don't know shit about this subject and it's exciting to see all these hypothesis and theories flying around. Maybe PE was made from our creators own image...if you know what I mean hahaha.
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Buck513

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Fungi
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wowimflabbergasted
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Buck513]
#21782022 - 06/09/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pretty much.
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Buck513

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That's what has drawn me to mycology I believe. The potential for mushrooms in the world, psychedelic or not, is astounding.
There's little known about them. And mycology is something that's really only several decades old. So its unthinkable on how little we really know.
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azur
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Consolidation meaning it taking pe longer to fruit on their own? When i grew them, my jars would be colonized in a week. I would immediately spawn them to hpoo/verm. 5 days later they would be fully colonized and then a casing layer was applied. 3 days later they were put into fruiting conditions. Sure, they were a few days behind other cubes on fruiting, but not much. And ask anyone at the romp just how potent they were!! Anyways, thanks a lot Pastywhyte. You fucking asshole. Now you've got a bunch of us obsessed with finding answers and using our time up  Here are a few links i found. No answers. But interesting reads
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost....&postcount=147
http://harpers.org/archive/2013/07/blood-spore/
http://www.madscientistblog.ca/mad-scientist-18-steven-h-pollock/#sthash.fvmkGqBf.dpbs
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wowimflabbergasted
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: azur]
#21782075 - 06/09/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Consolidation meaning waiting longer before putting into fruiting conditions. Did you ever try consolidating your PE?
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Buck513

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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: azur]
#21782078 - 06/09/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I still want to hear more about fruiting PE outdoors.
All 4 types
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azur
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wowimflabbergasted said: Consolidation meaning waiting longer before putting into fruiting conditions. Did you ever try consolidating your PE?
Never. No time for that. And they were ridiculously potent. Half a gram gave me a full ride.
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wowimflabbergasted
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: azur]
#21782134 - 06/09/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Half a gram? Damn. All MS too I assume. Maybe it depends more on substrate used because I know you are a huge hpoo advocate.
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Buck513

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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: azur]
#21782138 - 06/09/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd have a hard time seeing azur consolidate.
I know he used to just put poly in the holes after spawning and never tape them
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