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mustangbob3
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21778917 - 06/08/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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so PE may be like it is from stress?? stress from co2 sensitivity? could this stress response be what causes the mushrooms to accumulate more actives?
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21779053 - 06/08/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I doubt it. The weakest shrooms I ever grew were PE. They were also some of the strongest I ever grew.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21779203 - 06/08/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It seems to me that the explanation for PE potency being its development time is a pretty logical one. There have been some links between potency and consolidation time. I would imagine the substrate is producing the goodies all throughout pinning if not before. Afaik everything about PE is slow, but if the same functional metabolic process is producing actives that whole time, even if not to the same degree, I could see how the end result would be greater potency.
It would be interesting to know if the potency of PE drops the more healthily, quickly, and normally cube-like it grows.
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mustangbob3
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so could the slowed growth be from stress caused by co2 sensitivity? thus leading to said accumulation of the actives as a by product?
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Aero
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Machiavelliavore said: There have been some links between potency and consolidation time.
Yes, people "overincubating" for months. Another is the reported potency of shrooms grown in colder conditions. People often saying they are meatier and more potent. In colder conditions they are growing slower too. And sclerotia is usually reckoned to be stronger if older per weight.
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21779314 - 06/08/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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AERO, if those print I'd love one! I've got AA+ and Maz to trade to you.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21779361 - 06/08/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheEaglesGift said: AERO, if those print I'd love one! I've got AA+ and Maz to trade to you.
sent those prints to the FSRE, but i still have some swabs from that grow
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21779382 - 06/08/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said:When eventually cubes will be legal to grow (yes, I am an optimistic son of a bitch), those "labels" will disappear because then we will be able to buy true "strains" on a Petri dish.
When you think about it this is already happening in a way. People (including myself) usually deride and object to commercial dutch growers renaming strains/varieties, but I imagine it is a true strain. Like they got mexicana or galindoi spores from the likes of SW and then presumably carefully selected a good stone producing strain. Of course I would prefer to know the original species, most of the objection is due them making up whole new imaginary species.
Aeros recent clones of commercial sclerotia would show that they are indeed very productive and fast growing.
I remember being able to buy agar wedges from a Spanish seller back when it was legal in more EU countries.
Just checking one of the EU sponsors they thankfully are coming around and disclosing the species and not making up bullshit.
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There is no scientific name for this strain, because the truffle itself is derived from the Psilocybe atlantis truffle, but with a longer growing time, allowing the truffle to become bigger and juicier. Like any truffle this truffle will offer you a unique experience with great visuals, deep philosophical thoughts and a wonderfully relaxing body high.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21779391 - 06/08/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have pondered the long consolidation angle and it does seem to be compelling. Especially with regard to stones, PE, etc. But there are too many exceptions. My KSSS are usually lightning quick and pack a heavy punch. Pans are often reported to be fast and the few times I did em they were not slow. Unless the genetics were disposed to potency already given the species or varieties and would have been even more deadly if left to consolidate. That's a test that would be interesting to see with an isolate and a method of determining potency.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21779402 - 06/08/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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When i grew pe they were faster than most other's pe. I never consolidated. Potent as fuck
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21779516 - 06/08/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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azur said: When i grew pe they were faster than most other's pe. I never consolidated. Potent as fuck
But still longer than a normal cube?
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Pastywhyte said: I have pondered the long consolidation angle and it does seem to be compelling. Especially with regard to stones, PE, etc. But there are too many exceptions. My KSSS are usually lightning quick and pack a heavy punch. Pans are often reported to be fast and the few times I did em they were not slow. Unless the genetics were disposed to potency already given the species or varieties and would have been even more deadly if left to consolidate. That's a test that would be interesting to see with an isolate and a method of determining potency.
There are for sure genetic factors between species, and to a smaller degree between isolates. I'd be very curious to know where and during what period alkaloid production occurs.
Do the actual fruits of PE mature more slowly, giving the substrate more time to produce or infuse alkaloids for a given volume of fruit?
Pans are a very light fruit and not a prolific yielder by mass correct? If for a similar mass of substrate compared to cubes, a similar amount of alkaloids were produced, they would end up being harvested in less volume.
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Its not just he speed , when u cut open a PE fruit its very dense. When dry there is this greyish layer of flesh under the white outer skin which is pretty strange
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Aero]
#21779703 - 06/08/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm curious about the whole consolidation being a condition that might increase potency. I've heard Blackout mention it numerous times.
My first Muda bottles I did took about two and a half months to finish colonizing from (not enough) LI. I did Mazapatec, GT, and Texan. All three, when harvested, bruised a deep blue. The GT and Texan turned to what looked like a blue jelly where I cut. The Mazapatec Didn't bruise as deep, but it's never bruised deeper than just a slight hue any other grow I had done with it. All three blew my socks off. Sure it was ms... I know ms is a crapshoot...and maybe I got super lucky, but that's what sparked my curiosity on the subject.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Grey]
#21779900 - 06/08/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grey said: I'm curious about the whole consolidation being a condition that might increase potency. I've heard Blackout mention it numerous times.
My first Muda bottles I did took about two and a half months to finish colonizing from (not enough) LI. I did Mazapatec, GT, and Texan. All three, when harvested, bruised a deep blue. The GT and Texan turned to what looked like a blue jelly where I cut. The Mazapatec Didn't bruise as deep, but it's never bruised deeper than just a slight hue any other grow I had done with it. All three blew my socks off. Sure it was ms... I know ms is a crapshoot...and maybe I got super lucky, but that's what sparked my curiosity on the subject.
I was really intrigued by some of those old posts, so I'm running an experiment now.
8 trays of a B+ clone with 1/2 quart of spawn to 1 quart substrate (coir/verm) in small plastic trays. -2 trays will be spawned with grain that is already 1 month old, waiting til 6-8 weeks. -2 have been spawned with fresh spawn and have been in consolodation for 1 month, waiting for 6-8 weeks. -2 will be fresh spawn into substrate containing "supercake" formula. -The last 2 will be a control with fresh spawn, fruited at 100%.
I don't have any accurate way to measure potency other than eating...
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Sksoul]
#21780011 - 06/08/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sksoul said:
I don't have any accurate way to measure potency other than eating...
That's good enough for me.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21781101 - 06/08/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: so PE may be like it is from stress?? stress from co2 sensitivity? could this stress response be what causes the mushrooms to accumulate more actives?
Just a thought on this PE stress response thing. It occurs to me that almost all of my sidepin have incredibly thick stems. Perhaps the high CO2 levels trigger the formation of thick stems to help the mushroom push its way out from under soil.
Maybe this response is simply triggered in PE at lower CO2 levels, and has obviously been bred for.
I wouldn't suspect this aspect is related to potency at all, though you never know.
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No, this does not look right...
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insanemike

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Doesn't low fae and high co2 tend to produce tall, skinny stipes?
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: insanemike]
#21781149 - 06/08/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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insanemike said: Doesn't low fae and high co2 tend to produce tall, skinny stipes?
Typically yes. I wonder if it has a different effect with PE. . .
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21781155 - 06/08/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd say yes
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