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azur
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783011 - 06/09/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783018 - 06/09/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So leopard, if you were only able to grow a single variety forever and none of the PE's were allowed, what would you choose? Or would you simply not care?
Personally I have noticed slight differences with some generally, even excluding the rust spores, lucys or KSSS. If I had to limit myself I would either go with something wild or else wikidzon.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21783068 - 06/09/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: So leopard, if you were only able to grow a single variety forever and none of the PE's were allowed, what would you choose? Or would you simply not care?
Personally I have noticed slight differences with some generally, even excluding the rust spores, lucys or KSSS. If I had to limit myself I would either go with something wild or else wikidzon.
Honestly I wouldn't care as long as it's a cube print. I love strains, and I have my favorite strains (either clones or isolates) and I know every one of my strains like a book. They are all different from each other, they all behave in a different way when it comes to colonization times, fruiting, and obviously potency. I managed to keep some of them alive for years and years (although it's not as easy as it might seem, at least for me).
It's just like having some of your buddies in the fridge 
Still, even isolates and clones can produce different shapes and different colonization times depending on environmental conditions and/or sub composition. Potency is the only thing that remains pretty much the same IME. I am curious to know if you have the same experience.
Also, why do you think that KSSS and wikidzon (which I never heard before btw) are special?
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783074 - 06/09/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wikidzon is some old school variety. I got a wiki syringe I haven't used.
Makes me want to add it to my list of varieties for my next grow
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: azur]
#21783104 - 06/09/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't watch it all right now, but I got the feeling that you wanna make me look like Storm? Why? Just because I don't accept individual experiences as facts?
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Kizzle]
#21783132 - 06/09/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Every time you do multispore inoculation you mix hundreds, if not thousands of strains in the same jar. It makes absolutely NO difference if the spores come from the same print or from prints from halfway around the world.
The definition of a strain is NOT the name some vendor put on a print he mailed out. The definition of a strain is two compatible hyphae 'mating' to form dikaryotic mycelium. Hyphae from a PR print are just as capable of mating with each other as with hyphae from a Tex or any other print. It's the same species so they're all compatible. There is NO competition between strains of the same species. Once they become dikaryotic, they continue to fuse by a process known as anastomosis, again with NO competition. Hybridization between 'strains' occurs in every single multispore project. RR
Does anyone have a source other than another RR quote that supports that is the sole and correct usage of the word in regard to mycology? I can't find anything. I think the correct term may be indivual or indivudal strain which RR possibly shortened to just strain.
seems RR did this sort of thing alot..
to entrain the masses and keep focus on what matters to the hobbyist , and also to make his and other tcs life easier not so much the scientific accuracy of the terms 
seems they are more 'tactics' rather than 'truths' or 'white lies' as someone in another thread said 
imo it was an attempt to sew holes up in arguments purely to stop the same questions being asked as the answers was not there to give
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783148 - 06/09/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm curious about Wikidzon too. I've got it on agar, but I've been procrastinating getting it going because I've been working on PEU/PE/APE.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783167 - 06/09/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said:
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I can't watch it all right now, but I got the feeling that you wanna make me look like Storm? Why? Just because I don't accept individual experiences as facts?
Not directed towards you. Just thought it was fitting for this thread. Everyone will enjoy it.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Kizzle]
#21783244 - 06/09/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Does anyone have a source other than another RR quote that supports that is the sole and correct usage of the word in regard to mycology? I can't find anything. I think the correct term may be indivual or indivudal strain which RR possibly shortened to just strain.
I don't think there is a sole and correct usage of the word. Why do you think that "individual strain" would be better than "strain"?
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783266 - 06/09/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Does anyone have a source other than another RR quote that supports that is the sole and correct usage of the word in regard to mycology? I can't find anything. I think the correct term may be indivual or indivudal strain which RR possibly shortened to just strain.
I don't think there is a sole and correct usage of the word. Why do you think that "individual strain" would be better than "strain"? 
i think there must be as you yourself was so sure that i had to use the 'right' term a few pages back??
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783307 - 06/09/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know. I'm just trying determine what is correct. If you look at the definition of strain, and there are several but this one - "The collective descendants of a common ancestor; a race, stock, line, or breed", it's pretty clear that PE, Golden Teacher, etc are all separate strains as they each descended from a separate common ancestor. The fact that they came from the spores of that ancestor is irrelevant.
Using the word variety would seem to imply significant differences which isn't always the case.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21783311 - 06/09/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Does anyone have a source other than another RR quote that supports that is the sole and correct usage of the word in regard to mycology? I can't find anything. I think the correct term may be indivual or indivudal strain which RR possibly shortened to just strain.
I don't think there is a sole and correct usage of the word. Why do you think that "individual strain" would be better than "strain"? 
i think there must be as you yourself was so sure that i had to use the 'right' term a few pages back?? 
Because your post was confusing at best man. If you start saying that prints are strains, then how are you going to call those hundreds "strains" inside a single tub?
When I say that there is not a sole and correct usage of the word, I am referring to mycology in general. It's a young science and nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to cubes.
RR provided some basic terminology for us to use. Does it mean that it's unchangeable? No. Is it useful and coherent? Yes
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Kizzle]
#21783336 - 06/09/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I don't know. I'm just trying determine what is correct. If you look at the definition of strain, and there are several but this one - "The collective descendants of a common ancestor; a race, stock, line, or breed", it's pretty clear that PE, Golden Teacher, etc are all separate strains as they each descended from a separate common ancestor. The fact that they came from the spores of that ancestor is irrelevant.
Using the word variety would seem to imply significant differences which isn't always the case.
Every living organism descends from a common ancestor btw 
Honestly I don't get what you are trying to say. Years ago some people in the strain thread (Cervantes and Doc-T among others) agreed to name prints "varieties". I personally don't have problems with that because I don't think that those varieties even exist, but I use it in order to communicate with other people on these boards.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783337 - 06/09/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well it's not coherent though if you have to tell everyone "We've decided this is not considered a strain despite the definition and despite the fact that most non-shroomery member would consider it a strain" That just causes additional confusion.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Kizzle]
#21783353 - 06/09/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Every living organism descends from a common ancestor btw 
It's all in context. Strain A can be part of strain B. Think of it as a family tree and time you make a new branch that branch is a new strain but it's still part of the old strain as well.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Kizzle]
#21783355 - 06/09/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Well it's not coherent though if you have to tell everyone "We've decided this is not considered a strain despite the definition and despite the fact that most non-shroomery member would consider it a strain" That just causes additional confusion.
Do you have a better idea?
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783362 - 06/09/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pasty you really opened a can of worms with this thread
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: Kizzle]
#21783381 - 06/09/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i fear even if we did away with names and just used p.cubensis we would just see new names assigned again.
say we all did call them just cubes from this day forwards, then pasty completes the crs breeding project and release's it.
when someone asks about them the tendancy for humans is to attach significance to things to give them intrinsic value and someone somewhere will start saying 'oh its pastys cubensis' ect and starting the cycle over again.
its in our very nature to record things and attach names ect one way we like to keep track of things is to assign names that mean something to us.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21783396 - 06/09/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think much of the confusion comes from the fact that cubes are illegal. No edibles grower would consider a print as a "strain".
If you guys wanna call prints say Miley Cyrus and strains Jennifer Lopez, I have no problem 
I am just trying to communicate.
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Re: If a cube is a cube then what about PE? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21783438 - 06/09/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I totally agree that mycology is a young science and there's still some controversy. Even what is considered a species is debatable. But I don't see any benefit to try to deter people from calling something when it is by definition a strain. Personally I can think of a single instance where I didn't know what someone was talking just because they used the word strain instead of variety.
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