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Should Medicinal Mushrooms be Consumed Raw or Cooked?
    #21774469 - 06/07/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I like to add my Lion's Mane fruits to my smoothies every morning. I was thinking that cooking the mushrooms would potentially destroy some of the beneficial compounds, so this is a great way to consume them raw. Is this necessary or could I still get the nerve growth benefits even if cooked? I know Stamets says to cook shitakes and morels to destroy some of the toxins in them, but wouldn't this also destroy some of the other beneficial compounds? Apart from the anti-oxidants, there are many other compounds found in medicinal mushrooms and I cant help but feel as if they are being destroyed from the heat. Anyone care to weigh in?


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Re: Should Medicinal Mushrooms be Consumed Raw or Cooked? [Re: amp244]
    #21775623 - 06/07/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How much mushroom mass do you add to your smoothie?

Do you get any nausea from this?

I haven't heard of any toxins in lion's mane for what it's worth. Sorry I don't have more info. I know that enzymes supposedly begin to become denatured at temperatures above 115F, but how it affects metabolites or anything else... :shrug:


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Re: Should Medicinal Mushrooms be Consumed Raw or Cooked? [Re: Chris893]
    #21775889 - 06/07/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Our bodies cannot readily digest mushrooms as their cell walls are composed of chitlin. They need to be cooked to break down the chitlin for us to get any benefit from them. And even then, we really don't get anywhere near the benefits that are within those mushrooms. One of the best ways to get the majority of the benefits out of your mushrooms is to do a double extraction.

Eating raw mushrooms really give little benefit.


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Re: Should Medicinal Mushrooms be Consumed Raw or Cooked? [Re: Juiceh]
    #21776044 - 06/07/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the responses. I probably put about 20 grams of fresh lions manes into the smoothies. I haven't experienced any nausea at all.

I will definitely look into some extraction techniques. I'm not familiar with the double extraction but I'm sure there is information on this site about it.

So basically I'm consuming the mushrooms and they (and the majority of their benificial compounds) are simply passing through me. Although I am blending them up for a good two minutes so perhaps there is some damage to the chitlin and cell walls, I have no way of finding out for sure. I will heed the advice of stamets then and cook my lions manes, which are some of the most delicious mushrooms I've ever had! He eats mushrooms 3-4 times per week as well, so everyday may be a bit of overkill.


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Re: Should Medicinal Mushrooms be Consumed Raw or Cooked? [Re: amp244]
    #21776172 - 06/07/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I will definitely look into some extraction techniques. I'm not familiar with the double extraction but I'm sure there is information on this site about it.

So basically I'm consuming the mushrooms and they (and the majority of their benificial compounds) are simply passing through me. Although I am blending them up for a good two minutes so perhaps there is some damage to the chitlin and cell walls, I have no way of finding out for sure. I will heed the advice of stamets then and cook my lions manes, which are some of the most delicious mushrooms I've ever had! He eats mushrooms 3-4 times per week as well, so everyday may be a bit of overkill.




JuiceH, I agree for the most part with what you said, but Amp makes a good point here which I've tended to agree with for a while now -  Dehydrating the mushrooms very much weakens those chitin cell walls you mentioned.  Completely annihilating them in a blender/coffee grinder after that does pretty severe damage to them.  At that point, I strongly believe that a good amount of their medicinal qualities are actually available for your digestive system to assimilate.  John Holiday of Aloha medicinals would seem to agree, since all of their supplements are just myceliated grain, dried, powdered, and encapsulated. 

Not that I'm knocking a double extraction (which by the way Amp, there's an arguably decent tek for in my signature :wink:), but for lion's mane I've personally never bothered to try it on, the stuff is just too powdery, and it's much easier to just grind the shit out of it and eat that.  But that's just my opinion!  Of course, cooking and eating them is preferable to the taste buds, but most of the time I just don't get to it in time so they go straight into the dehydrator...


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Re: Should Medicinal Mushrooms be Consumed Raw or Cooked? [Re: amp244]
    #21776209 - 06/07/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Blending damages the cell walls, as does cooking/chewing. Both will give you access to nutrients but neither guarantee that you will absorb 100% of the available nutrients. So do what works best for you and if in doubt, eat more.

I'm glad to hear that you don't have problems eating it raw, I'm looking forward to trying this.


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Re: Should Medicinal Mushrooms be Consumed Raw or Cooked? [Re: Forrester]
    #21776962 - 06/08/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I will definitely look into some extraction techniques. I'm not familiar with the double extraction but I'm sure there is information on this site about it.

So basically I'm consuming the mushrooms and they (and the majority of their benificial compounds) are simply passing through me. Although I am blending them up for a good two minutes so perhaps there is some damage to the chitlin and cell walls, I have no way of finding out for sure. I will heed the advice of stamets then and cook my lions manes, which are some of the most delicious mushrooms I've ever had! He eats mushrooms 3-4 times per week as well, so everyday may be a bit of overkill.




JuiceH, I agree for the most part with what you said, but Amp makes a good point here which I've tended to agree with for a while now -  Dehydrating the mushrooms very much weakens those chitin cell walls you mentioned.  Completely annihilating them in a blender/coffee grinder after that does pretty severe damage to them.  At that point, I strongly believe that a good amount of their medicinal qualities are actually available for your digestive system to assimilate.  John Holiday of Aloha medicinals would seem to agree, since all of their supplements are just myceliated grain, dried, powdered, and encapsulated. 

Not that I'm knocking a double extraction (which by the way Amp, there's an arguably decent tek for in my signature :wink:), but for lion's mane I've personally never bothered to try it on, the stuff is just too powdery, and it's much easier to just grind the shit out of it and eat that.  But that's just my opinion!  Of course, cooking and eating them is preferable to the taste buds, but most of the time I just don't get to it in time so they go straight into the dehydrator...



Yeah, I agree. Dried well and powdered would allow more of the goodies to be available for our bodies. I'm actually in the middle of dehydrating a 2nd flush of lions mane from 10 blocks right now. :wink: Probably going to end up doing a double extraction of it all.

I would think that fresh lions mane in the blended smoothie would be the least optimal route, cooking first would be better. Adding powdered lions mane may be better than adding cooked and blending, I really don't know. Doses of lions mane double extract tincture would probably be the best way to pack the most bang into the smoothie.


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Re: Should Medicinal Mushrooms be Consumed Raw or Cooked? [Re: Juiceh]
    #21781030 - 06/08/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm gonna give that double extraction method a go, although I think a two week soak would be a little extensive for powdered lions mane. I'll probably cut that in half. Thanks again!


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Re: Should Medicinal Mushrooms be Consumed Raw or Cooked? [Re: amp244]
    #21786071 - 06/09/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, I agree. Dried well and powdered would allow more of the goodies to be available for our bodies. I'm actually in the middle of dehydrating a 2nd flush of lions mane from 10 blocks right now. :wink: Probably going to end up doing a double extraction of it all.

I would think that fresh lions mane in the blended smoothie would be the least optimal route, cooking first would be better. Adding powdered lions mane may be better than adding cooked and blending, I really don't know. Doses of lions mane double extract tincture would probably be the best way to pack the most bang into the smoothie.




Completely agree with :whathesaid:

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although I think a two week soak would be a little extensive for powdered lions mane. I'll probably cut that in half. Thanks again!




I would agree with that as well, with something that finely powdered, I think a week would be quite sufficient.  Good luck with the filtering :wink:  Unless you're like me and just don't give a crap about all kinds of sediment in your double extracts.  I figure it can only help :laugh:


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