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DeadPhan



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Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain?
#21773909 - 06/07/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive seen it done before. Where you just add x amount of water to a jar with dry grain and throw right in the pressure cooker. If so whats you thoughts on it experiences? I certainly love the tried and true method of soaking before cooking but there are times i could realy use saving a day having to soak and just get right to it. Anyone?
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: DeadPhan]
#21773934 - 06/07/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm.. Im interested in knowing aswell.
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It's worked for others in the past but I still wouldn't think it would be the best route to go IMO
I'll be pretty much skipping the soak on my rye today and goin straight to the boil tho cuz my dumbass spaced the soak last night I'd personally just rather do that but If you decide to go straight to PC I'd definitely be interested to see how it turns out.
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: mushmagic]
#21774529 - 06/07/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soaking has two benefits that you would miss out on if you used that technique. First and most importantly it allows endo spores to germinate and make them more susceptible to being sterilized when you cook. Secondly an even amount of water saturation per seed.
Additionally I would imagine seeds that were sitting in the water would burst open leaving the grains startchy and unusable.
Edited by livelogikal (06/07/15 03:04 PM)
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: DeadPhan]
#21774561 - 06/07/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said: Ive seen it done before. Where you just add x amount of water to a jar with dry grain and throw right in the pressure cooker. If so whats you thoughts on it experiences? I certainly love the tried and true method of soaking before cooking but there are times i could realy use saving a day having to soak and just get right to it. Anyone?
This is tried and true.
I pretty much only use this method unless my grain is exceptionally dirty.
It works fucking fabulous and saves so much time and energy. 
If your worried about endospores just add the correct amount of water to your jars/grain and let them sit over night before PC'ing them. But its not really needed...
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: livelogikal]
#21774565 - 06/07/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've done this to RGS with good results following RR's Rye Grass Seed tek. It seems like you always get some clumping grains but it ended up not being a problem. The myc colonized right through.
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#21774583 - 06/07/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shaking your PC'd jars before they have a chance to fully cool will help with the clumping.
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: DeadPhan]
#21774586 - 06/07/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe violets rgs tek is a no soak tek and it works awesome. What kind of grains do you use?
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: Zombi3] 1
#21774667 - 06/07/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I almost never soak my grain. I also never ever rinse it, and its some filthy stuff. But it all colonizes the same. If you look at any spawn I ever post a pick of you can see bits of colonized straw dust etc.
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21774699 - 06/07/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I almost never soak my grain. I also never ever rinse it, and its some filthy stuff.
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: poofterFroth] 1
#21774746 - 06/07/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I havent done a soak with rye in a long time. I'd be willing to put money on ending up with more endospores than you started with, regardless you sterilize it anyway so
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: bodhisatta]
#21774993 - 06/07/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doing a no-soak right now for 1st time. I am going to boil whole oats until they are ready.
Have to watch they don't burst though. I am guessing 30-45 minutes light boil. Since they have the husk/hull should be a breeze to get 'em right without blowing them up.
Then dump into tub, dry on outside, then put into my quart jars & PC for 90min @15psi.
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#21775452 - 06/07/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Got 'em done and they turned out great.
For anyone interested....40 min. slow boil grains plump & translucent.
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#21775524 - 06/07/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pasty do you just boil and let sit or pour boiling water to your grains? Or......do you add x water to x grains and PC away?
While I have in the past done this with rgs I've never tried it with wbs and definitely never tried it with spawn bags instead of jars. I wonder if it would make much difference.
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#21775535 - 06/07/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can anyone suggest a water to grain ratio? I'm assuming we're talking about just throwing dry grain into the jars with water and PC'ing, which would be amazingly easy compared to normal soak/boil techniques floating around.
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fearnoevil
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Have done quite of bit of no-soak on WBS, no boiling either of course, just 600 mls WBS and 400 mls water, in the jar and then into the PC for 90 minutes. It works, but it does have a lot of clumping issues and I'll admit I have a larger percentage of failed jars than if I rinse/soak first, then PC.
These days I rinse several times (WBS anyway cuz that's some filthy shite for sure), soak for 20-24 hrs, drain for 2-4 hrs, then lay out on sheets and "towel" dry until there's no visible moisture, then PC. A bit more time but works best for me ;?D
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: fearnoevil]
#21775584 - 06/07/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't do the water plus dry grain into the pc if it was me. I'd simmer/boil until hydrated for like 30 mins to an hour. Strain and steam dry and throw into jars. Some do drip dry for awhile and directly into jars with success too. Steam drying for me tho is the best.
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: Mad Season]
#21775618 - 06/07/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Idk if anyone messes with popcorn, also I've only prepped 3 rounds of jars (none contammed, but I've also only got one tub fruiting, the other two are still covered colonizing coir), I've been using popcorn without soaking.
What's worked for me is getting most of the kernels split - at this point, I would still slice open a kernel to see it barely cooked fully. PCing 90 min after reaching 15 psi, then I let cool in PC for 6 or so hours.
I recall reading popcorn's shape (more volume to surface area) can help endospores survive the prep but IME it's been good to me. My 2 cents
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Re: Do any of you do a no soak prep for grain? [Re: Mad Season]
#21775632 - 06/07/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It sounds so fucking easy is all. It would help mitigate the days-consuming aspect of this hobby.
I'm talking no soak no boil just throw it in the PC in the jar with water and blast off.
Edited by lutherarkwright93 (06/07/15 07:33 PM)
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Since endospores form basically due to starvation or other extreme conditions it is highly unlikely that they would be formed while wbs is soaking and bacteria is actively multiplying.
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