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YaMoonSun
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Truffle Question
#21773087 - 06/07/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do I need to utilize a whole grain substrate when creating philosophers stones? I was thinking of attempting to colonize a jar of whole brown rice, or a try to recreate the coffee/brf experiment with a new species. I ask because I don't imagine a stone grown via pf tek would be edible because of the vermiculite. Am I wrong? Suggestions/recommendations? Should I just get a 2lb pre-sterilized ryeberry bag?
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21773117 - 06/07/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pre-sterilized? Why?
Sterilize your grains, then inoculate and wait. Truffles are easier than cubes (which are super easy).
All you need to know about truffles is here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13431948
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I was going to buy a spawn bag is what I meant, as I haven't worked with rye due to my lack of a pressure cooker. I'll go read that right now though, thanks =)
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21773136 - 06/07/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok. So go the BRF route. You'll find everything you need in that guide.
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21777272 - 06/08/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A buddy of mine is going to shoot me $20 tomorrow Shall I invest in the 2LB rye bag, or a big bag of vermiculite? If the verm, what grade? (No, I've never used vermiculite before.) Also, am I to believe that as the truffles develop, they push the verm out of the way? Or does the mycelium actually consume vermiculite? I don't want to be eating the stuff.
It's Psilocybe Galindoi (Atl #7) btw
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21777285 - 06/08/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Buy a 20$ rock of crack.
Just kidding, buy spores. Then turn them spores into more spores by taking prints from a grow. THEN, become a shroomery sponsor and start swimming in the dough.
Just kidding, don't buy the verm. It would horticultural verm though. Buy rye
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On a side note, why do all those truffles guides utilize coffee? Increased nitrogen levels? Lower ph levels?
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Why rye? Did you find a PC?
If so then go buy rye and avoid verm. Normally you can get a stone clean pretty easily, but yes it's possible that some verm still remains. That being said, even if you ingest some verm, there is nothing you should be worried about 
Coffee is always a good addition when growing mushrooms. They love it.
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LeopardMan said: Why rye? Did you find a PC?
Nope
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LeopardMan said: If so then go buy rye and avoid verm. Normally you can get a stone clean pretty easily, but yes it's possible that some verm still remains. That being said, even if you ingest some verm, there is nothing you should be worried about
The listing says that it's be sterilized already; I just have to sterilize the syringe needle and inoculate through the self healing plug, supposedly.
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LeopardMan said:Coffee is always a good addition when growing mushrooms. They love it.
Have you seen my coffee grounds + brf experiment? Do you think that would work fine with stones as well?
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21777400 - 06/08/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Honestly I wouldn't waste my money on pre-sterilized bags. Think about that. You can get a small PC for as low as 31 bucks on amazon. Obviously it's not an All American PC, but it's still good for new growers.
Nice thread there, although verm is also used to make the sub more "airy" and I am not sure coffee can accomplish that.
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Nope, the dry coffee layer provides an air tight seal once the moisture from the substrate tries to evaporate, and the top layer of the coffee stays dry and contaminate free. Though I've heard you don't need FAE until you want to start pinning. It got me through one grow so far. 
Also, I suppose you're right, but money is tight, and if I don't blow the $20 on supplies tomorrow then I'm almost positive it's going to get spent on cannabis; The vermiculite would last me a while, but I imagine that whole grain provides better stones. I've never touched verm, but I'm almost positive I don't wanna eat it
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21777441 - 06/08/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I say airy, I mean the sub must not be too tight in order to have faster colonization times. Nice experiment though 
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Also, I suppose you're right, but money is tight, and if I don't blow the $20 on supplies tomorrow then I'm almost positive it's going to get spent on cannabis
Oh man, I have been there too 
As far as verm is concerned here is a RR's quote.
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Faster colonization times would be great. This coffee/brf experiment is already 38 days in and it still may be a week before I birth. Worked a lot faster when I had my LC going. I actually need to update that thread in a minute.
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Mycelium doesn't simply 'stall'. There's always a reason. It's either contaminated or out of air, or something else wrong that one wouldn't want to risk food poisoning to eat.
That quote brings me to the question I was going to ask.
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21777541 - 06/08/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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38 days is no good, and I suppose it's caused by a tight substrate. The reason why we use verm is twofold: 1) water reservoir and 2) airy substrate.
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If I can find a cheap bag of vermiculite, I may grab it; The only bag I had seen at the local home depot was massive, and I'm not sure what grade it was. Then I'll try growing out these atl #7 mushrooms and getting some prints (with any luck). Save the stone project for a later day.
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21777558 - 06/08/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You'll get some stones even if you grow them out to get some prints 
Verm
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Seriously? So after I collect all the flushes I should break the cake apart and look around a bit? Am excited.
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21777571 - 06/08/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, this says that it has a naturally high ph to prevent fungal growth; Is he talking out of his ass? Or is that why we mix in some watered down coffee?
http://www.amazon.com/Joshs-Frogs-Vermiculite-10-quarts/dp/B00JJWA2RQ
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21777573 - 06/08/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly. Sometimes you may find some little stones in there It's just like being in Alaska during the Gold Rush.
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Re: Truffle Question [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21777576 - 06/08/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: Also, this says that it has a naturally high ph to prevent fungal growth; Is he talking out of his ass? Or is that why we mix in some watered down coffee?
http://www.amazon.com/Joshs-Frogs-Vermiculite-10-quarts/dp/B00JJWA2RQ
I am not sure about that particular brand. I live in Europe and we have different brands here.
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